Isnt it ironic that people are marrying later and balding earlier?

[Oknow]

Not a clear enough definition in my opinion. We also can't use a dramatized historical movie character for our definition of masculine because the context is so different. Viewing that scene, I think... does masculine just mean 'winner'?

no
Masculinity is being comfortable in your own skin, leading, assertive as opposed to being an emo twat

you can pull it off to be honest

 

[doubleindemnity]

no
Masculinity is being comfortable in your own skin, leading, assertive as opposed to being an emo twat

you can pull it off to be honest

Then it's an abstract concept and so can not be attractive. People can not tell whether you are comfortable in your skin when you approach. I don't buy it or any of the modern pickup theory buzzwords. They pulled the wool over my eyes for years almost like a religious cult. It's clear to anybody that looks are the primary thing for attractiveness. Nobody cares about dress sense, body language, choice of words, success, intelligence or many of those other things all that much.

Edit: If I can pull it off and yet remain unattractive, what does that say about it as a quality? It's not very useful or it's not even real, that's what.

 

[Oknow]

Then it's an abstract concept and so can not be attractive. People can not tell whether you are comfortable in your skin when you approach. I don't buy it or any of the modern pickup theory buzzwords. They pulled the wool over my eyes for years almost like a religious cult. It's clear to anybody that looks are the primary thing for attractiveness. Nobody cares about dress sense, body language, choice of words, success, intelligence or many of those other things all that much.

Edit: If I can pull it off and yet remain unattractive, what does that say about it as a quality? It's not very useful or it's not even real, that's what.

From your photos, your looks alone, you could , I don’t know what you are like in person when interacting with others

looking the part and being it are two different things

 

[Caillou]

Not a clear enough definition in my opinion. We also can't use a dramatized historical movie character for our definition of masculine because the context is so different. Viewing that scene, I think... does masculine just mean 'winner'?

Masculinity to me means having a mixture of traits such as: bravery, assertiveness, aggression, honesty, physical strength, mental strength, loyalty, ability to hold responsibility, wisdom, maturity

 

[Oknow]

Masculinity to me means having a mixture of traits such as: bravery, assertiveness, aggression, honesty, physical strength, mental strength, loyalty, ability to hold responsibility, wisdom, maturity

Couldn't have put it better

 

[DoctorHouse]

Masculinity to me means having a mixture of traits such as: bravery, assertiveness, aggression, honesty, physical strength, mental strength, loyalty, ability to hold responsibility, wisdom, maturity

Very well said. I think you have alot of those qualities from over the years of reading your posts. You have evolved into a much better version of you over the years. I always saw your potential but you were brainwashed and hoodwinked from those years on those incel forums.

 

[vondoom]

well, no offense to anyone, but what is not manly is: playing it safe...
and yet most men do it...

 

[DoctorHouse]

well, no offense to anyone, but what is not manly is: playing it safe...
and yet most men do it...

So you think being cautious is not manly? Why?

 

[vondoom]

So you think being cautious is not manly? Why?

that, too, but that is only my personal opinion...

from what i see, all dudes think and act and look the same these days, especially young ones... to the point that its ridiculous...
its like they all read the same book about seduction, the same style advisor and they all follow it religiously...

most dont even have ab opinion anymore, especially not when women are around...
they go and call other people simps, though... while they do exactly the same, everything they do is to attract women...

and i think that is not manly... it also doesnt come off as manly to women... i think i mentioned it a few time, that women usually dont like the stereotype chad look and the dudes are usually boring...

 

[vondoom]

Thirsty dogs who would give a kidney and make a clown of themselves for a woman they don't know are indeed a trend currently. I can feel the change of atmosphere when a female is present. Maybe that's the so called DHT anti finasteride people are trying to protect? I don't like desperate bigots with zero respect for themselves. Just like I don't like w****s who are the ultimate submissive b****s for their men.

that is because they are trying hard to get pussy, because that doesnt seem to happen very often...
but yeah, please have a little self respect^^
everyone tries to look the same, do the same, probably even think the same, because they think that gives them more access to women...
and with that probably confidence, or whatever they are lacking...

 

[KevinEdEddEddy]

Yeah it's also pretty bad in the US from what i've heard on MGTOW forums and subreddits. But the difference is that my country is Islamic and should have Islamic laws. But we don't. Women here are getting very aggressive, greedy and selfish. They want to be put on pedestal by getting all their religious rights while also enjoying a liberal, feminized lifestyle

Like for example, in Islam a husband has to provide everything for his wife in return for obedience and taking care of him. Nowadays women want men to provide everything according to Islamic laws, while at the same time denying obedience, treating their husbands like sh*t and doing whatever they want. And if any of you decide to get divorced she takes everything including the kids, your money, your house, etc. There's not a single law that protects men here. So the most contribution you will ever get from a woman here is maybe paying 20% maximum of the marriage expenses (which are extremely expensive here), while the man has to pay 80% and gets nothing in return

They say the same about Poland, that we have feminism roaring in women while they still want to be treated like princesses despite being disgusting wh*** b**ch sl*ts. Many Poles hate Polish women because of how insufferable they are, we are in a phase in Poland (Warsaw at least) that I have seen people watching blackpill forums in bright daylight

 

[KevinEdEddEddy]

Then it's an abstract concept and so can not be attractive. People can not tell whether you are comfortable in your skin when you approach. I don't buy it or any of the modern pickup theory buzzwords. They pulled the wool over my eyes for years almost like a religious cult. It's clear to anybody that looks are the primary thing for attractiveness. Nobody cares about dress sense, body language, choice of words, success, intelligence or many of those other things all that much.

Edit: If I can pull it off and yet remain unattractive, what does that say about it as a quality? It's not very useful or it's not even real, that's what.

People CAN tell if you are confident, because of you mannerism etc., imo confidence might be one of the most important aspects of attraction

 

[Caillou]

imo confidence might be one of the most important aspects of attraction

Confidence is a byproduct. It's predicting success based either on evidence or previous successful experiences. You can't simply be "confident" when you have zero indicators of success

 

[doubleindemnity]

People CAN tell if you are confident, because of you mannerism etc., imo confidence might be one of the most important aspects of attraction

The mannerisms can be trained. Let @Oknow drink for a week and he'd look tired and still be confident. Put me through a good postural correction program and I'll be walking tall and diffident. So, again, i don't buy it.

 

[vondoom]

The mannerisms can be trained. Let @Oknow drink for a week and he'd look tired and still be confident. Put me through a good postural correction program and I'll be walking tall and diffident. So, again, i don't buy it.

that is why you either get a system, or get over it...

 

[Oknow]

The mannerisms can be trained. Let @Oknow drink for a week and he'd look tired and still be confident. Put me through a good postural correction program and I'll be walking tall and diffident. So, again, i don't buy it.

Not true, I have been rejected lots of times over a lack of confidence

I remember a date I went on a while back, where I was nervous as f***, the girl was like ‘relax’ - needless to say I didn’t get a second date

 

[Oknow]

that is why you either get a system, or get over it...

he should get one to understand that it’s not the magic bullet

he thinks that if you have hair , it’s easy mode , when it’s a lot more work than that

 

[KevinEdEddEddy]

Not true, I have been rejected lots of times over a lack of confidence

I remember a date I went on a while back, where I was nervous as f***, the girl was like ‘relax’ - needless to say I didn’t get a second date

Yeah without confidence you will get passed on tbh tbh, Confidence is harder the less hair you have, but after shaving off it does not seem like that much of a problem anymore. Nevertheless you just can't expevt to work it out without confidence, looks only get you through the door

 

[Oknow]

Yeah without confidence you will get passed on tbh tbh, Confidence is harder the less hair you have, but after shaving off it does not seem like that much of a problem anymore. Nevertheless you just can't expevt to work it out without confidence, looks only get you through the door

Truth

And even then it’s marginal, that’s what @doubleindemnity does not realize

If your vibe does not feel right for her, the initial benefit from being good looking will quickly fade away

 

[doubleindemnity]

Truth

And even then it’s marginal, that’s what @doubleindemnity does not realize

If your vibe does not feel right for her, the initial benefit from being good looking will quickly fade away

Confidence still isn't well defined to me. Neither is 'vibe'. Even if it can be well defined, it exists in somebody else's (an observer) consciousness not mine. I see many traditionally diffident guys doing great as long as they look good. @Feelsbadman used to be one before hair loss. Each person likes to feel like they are empowered and deserve their lot in life. "it wasn't my looks, which are god given, but my confidence that I worked on". I think that it's much more nuanced the same as somebody saying "it wasn't my expensive education paid for by my parents , i worked hard to get to where I am".

Cristiano Ronaldo works very hard but same for all Premier league superstars. He's top because he is genetically a perfect football player. Similarly, most kids who failed to go pro probably were lacking in raw skill, not confidence or mindset. So yes I don't buy the confidence theory. The day that confidence outperforms looks, I might start.