Agreed, these pictures do not show conclusive results at all. I can take pictures of my hair where I look to be ablding aggressively, and others where you barely notice I'm losing hair. If I have to look at your pictures with a microscope for 10 minutes to see if you've had results with your 1+year long regime, chances are it's not working.
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Agreed, these pictures do not show conclusive results at all. I can take pictures of my hair where I look to be ablding aggressively, and others where you barely notice I'm losing hair. If I have to look at your pictures with a microscope for 10 minutes to see if you've had results with your 1+year long regime, chances are it's not working.
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I've had the exact same results as OP. It definitely does regrow hairs. I ran seti for ~8 months maybe.
While it might seem like its not a huge difference, its still better then going bald waiting for better solution.
I have diffused thinning, and it gave me enough hairs to actually be able to do hairstyles i like, so that's a huge plus!
In OP case, he has a loooooong way to go.
I also would like to point out that the new hairs you see are really thin. They will fall out and regrow thicker.
My personal take on seti: try traditional treatments first, if they fail or you sideeffects are too much, look into side effect free seti.
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It works 100%, its just its really slow and I don't how how far it will go. I'm still regrowing little by little. Identical results to OP.
Then, he has to correct it to make it clear - If he stays like this, your pic seems more inducing in error because of the high lighting.
Yeah so slow that the results are n't even noticble, at this rate he might gain half a norwood in 10 years.
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This treatment is actually meant to reverse male pattern baldness, of course it's not going to be fast, especially for advanced norwoods. Current treatments don't do that, Minoxidil creates the illusion of reversal by stimulating growth, but we know that it doesn't tackle the actual problem. finasteride just slows it down.
That being said, you could get on the PG protocol for reversal, while you're on the min+finasteride combo. There's no problem with that.
And yes, the PG protocol is expensive right now, but it will not always be. Once Seti and/or Fevi are approved everyone will be able to do this at decent prices, and possibly with better results since the doses are going to be higher.
Sorry, but this is nonsense as there is no evidence to suggest that you keep any supposed gains (I have not seen any) you may have on this once you stop treatment. For that neogenesis would have to taking place here and those hairs would have to be magically immune to androgens.
PGD2 antagonists are just working down stream compared to AA's, Seti may end up as an alternative to AAs with less sides. PGE2 is a vasodilator, all you are doing here is moving chairs around and expensively at that.
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I agree, you're not supposed to keep the gains once you stop this treatment. You have to stay on an antiandrogen or seti for maintenance, because you can't change your genes.
Again there is no evidence to support this considering that any growth would be attributed to dermarolling and PGE2. If you take those two away why would hair continue to grow without additional stimulation? as you said your genes have n't changed, so what has?
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The progenitor cell population.
Again, evidence.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3319975/
As you can see here, the prostaglandin levels change depending on what phase the hair cycle is at. This strongly suggest that they are actively involved in the hair cycle. Vasodilation is not the mechanism by which PGE2 induces hair growth. We know this because PGD2 is also a vasodilator and it inhibited hair growth in perfectly healthy hair.
There's also this study
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3593761/
It has also been demonstrated that WNT signaling is very important for hair follicle neogenesis
his temple has come in by about a half inch, but this just magically happens, not a result of hair growth or anything like that
you stupid c***
You're disgusting. Your foul-mouth should have gotten you banned by now if the moderators had an interest in running a dignified site. Your type of insults amount to bigotry against specific groups. When you insult someone by calling him/her a "c***" it's a general attack on women. The fact that you have to be told this shows what a foul boor you are because you should know better without having to be told.
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I recently decided this past month to go a lot harder during my dermastamping sessions but do it once every 3 weeks now. Before i was going moderately hard to reduce pain and doing it every two weeks.
Lots and lots of blood now, but I find that the hairs are growing more thicker and noticeable in the hairline.
Im thinking about buying a 2-3mm dermastamp . I know that if I cant hit the hair follicle even deeper say (4-5mm) it will hurt like an absolute b**ch but this might be the key to real growth. Bulge Stem cells are about 3-4mm deep, if I can hit them then we might be on to something. With Seti protecting the hair I think this will be the real catalyst for growth
I think Coetsarelis was right, we need to go really deep so this 1-1.5mm dermstamping is not enought. We need to go DEEPAH!!
Anyone know where I can buy a 3-4mm Deramstamp?
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Lots and lots of blood now, but I find that the hairs are growing more thicker and noticeable in the hairline.
Im thinking about buying a 2-3mm dermastamp . I know that if I cant hit the hair follicle even deeper say (4-5mm) it will hurt like an absolute b**ch but this might be the key to real growth. Bulge Stem cells are about 3-4mm deep, if I can hit them then we might be on to something. With Seti protecting the hair I think this will be the real catalyst for growth
I think Coetsarelis was right, we need to go really deep so this 1-1.5mm dermstamping is not enought. We need to go DEEPAH!!
Anyone know where I can buy a 3-4mm Deramstamp?
Right Temple (December 15)
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Maybe you could also try adding stemoxidyne for a month or two and see how that goes. you can get it on amazon for $50.
Side note: swisstemples used to go 2.5mm deep.
http://ask.fm/swisstemples/answers/133258179948
Side note: swisstemples used to go 2.5mm deep.
http://ask.fm/swisstemples/answers/133258179948
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With a 2.5 the skin does not turn purple, it turns red blood...
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I've read these studies before and I understand what is trying to be done here. The problem is that there is no evidence that what we are seeing is neogenesis and it is more likely to be existing miniaturized hair that is growing back due to growth factors from dermarolling causing DP cell proliferation.
