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I don't know where, but I also remember that he claimed being Brotzus' son. Guess in the italian forum.
Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016
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I don't know where, but I also remember that he claimed being Brotzus' son. Guess in the italian forum.
Ive been following this thread since the beginning and need clarification.
Fidia is running Androgenetic Alopecia trials and will market the Androgenetic Alopecia lotion.
Brontzu is doing the AA trials. But who is producing his lotion?
Is fidia going to sell one lotion for both conditions, or is brontzu selling the AA formulation by himself?
Since it seems the AA trials are further along (since we are getting an update next week) i would expect that lotion to be out first.
I wonder if the release dates for Androgenetic Alopecia &AA lotion going to be the same and if they are the same product.
Fidia is running Androgenetic Alopecia trials and will market the Androgenetic Alopecia lotion.
Brontzu is doing the AA trials. But who is producing his lotion?
Is fidia going to sell one lotion for both conditions, or is brontzu selling the AA formulation by himself?
Since it seems the AA trials are further along (since we are getting an update next week) i would expect that lotion to be out first.
I wonder if the release dates for Androgenetic Alopecia &AA lotion going to be the same and if they are the same product.
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Pretty sure it's the same lotion, Brotuz's just trialing it on AA himself because it seemed interesting.
Yeah that's the most likely scenario
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I mean that's what I got out of the interview with him. The lotion's actually been in research for like 8 years, and he doesn't actually know anything about hair or hair loss.
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I never had impression it was two different lotions either unless i missed something.
It would be interesting to see how it treats people with both AA and Androgenetic Alopecia..
the Jaks trials they did it grew back the AA hair but the Androgenetic Alopecia hair was still missing.
In Germany there is a new lotion out for hairloss (for me its scam). But what I want to say is, that from preseries to mass production. It took like forever nearly half a year.
Ye cant compare with fidia to be honest. But its killing me that we do not even have some date range. I wont wait one year. Before I do a hair transplant
Ye cant compare with fidia to be honest. But its killing me that we do not even have some date range. I wont wait one year. Before I do a hair transplant
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Acording to this paper, I see dificut that Dr Brotzu write in baldness forums
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-0691.2000.tb02032.x/pdf
Now, if I may, I would like to say a word or t\vo about the
man, Giuseppe Brotzu.
[ remember that, according to the particular historical
moment, people used to talk about him using the tItle of the
post he held at the time. Often he was superficially regarded as
a taciturn, slightly enigmatic man and something of a
misanthropist. His face, with its pale, yellowish complexion,
and his habit of wearing dark slits all the time may perhaps
have strengthened this impression. He was austere and
controlled in his behavior. He never gesticulated and I never
once heard him raise his voice.
Yet he was acme in his reasoning, in his speech and in hiS
observations. His conversation was interlaced with shn:wd
expressiom of a subtle, refin.:d sense of humor. He was
undoubtedly a reserved man, but also a man of profound
humanity and great religious faith With an unswerving belief 1Il
the traditional values of the family so deeply rooted in his
Sardinian homeland.
In appearance he seemed to be an and, f.Urly unCOnU1ll11Ucative
man, but, 111 acnlal fact, he was a man of profound sellSlbility.
He felt a real need to open his heart and confide III
someone, but had a deep sense of reserve with regard to
feelings, which made him seem stand-offish and detached from
other people's problems, whereas, in actual fact, he made them
his own, in search of tangible ways of providing help.
I guess i was hoping that another company was in charge of the AA lotion and that we might be able to get our hands on it sooner.In Germany there is a new lotion out for hairloss (for me its scam). But what I want to say is, that from preseries to mass production. It took like forever nearly half a year.
Ye cant compare with fidia to be honest. But its killing me that we do not even have some date range. I wont wait one year. Before I do a hair transplant
But if fidia has control of both, then it may be a bit longer of a wait indeed
so let's google "beps brotzu + 1963". if we consider that beps is his real name.
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This is a summary made by the user "Jake Chambers" on the italian forums with all of Beps63 claims about the lotion:
Beps63:
Product speak.
The product was created by chance, taking over a number of years to determine the right proportions to make efficient and effective product. The composition to be used for man was the last to be defined. Know that have been studied different liposomes with different polarities. All this took time.
The lotion acts quickly to stop the fall, the cases treated say that in about 3/4 weeks stops the fall.It engages a hair reinforcement in place, including the vellus that slowly turn into hair (it takes more than one year). The new hair regrowth is slower unfortunately, around the 3rd month are noted on the skin growths; are new hair growing.
Know that there are variables, one is the age of the subject, how long will the hair is lost and the aggressiveness of baldness.
Know that to enter a new lotion you have to respect the legislation concerning the market which unfortunately are long, need some months. They are carrying out these obligations.
I do not know the terms of the marketing.
I've said too much
Greetings
artiglio5825 wrote:
Photos of some Agato you can see?
Beps63:
Here we have focused on AA, the Androgenetic Alopecia have the product at no charge, but not they are cataloged. In any case, confidentiality agreements were signed. In November will be published for the first time on the AA data to the Turin conference.
Account_01 wrote:
you're referring to cases of ALOPECIA ANDROGENETIC MEN?
Beps63:
male Androgenetic Alopecia, considering that I try it on my head every day.
P: S: I imagine that more than one would like to be in my place, I had solved rasandomi
Beps63:
the vellus is the hair of infants (those born bald), which takes about two years to become hair. Many of you have become atrophic hair vellus.
Beps63:
The lotion and do not give me the trial sull'Androgenetic Alopecia, so here sull'Androgenetic Alopecia photos do not exist, with the exception of a study on women two years ago. I recovered more than one degree of baldness, it will recover more.
De Sade wrote:
I understand, by a user, the product of Fidia has been changed since the first version of Brotzu in 2015, this is true?
Beps63:
They added preservatives. the rest is identical
Beps63:
I was killing of questions.
I am 50 years old when I started using the lotion I had a fifth classification. I lost my hair slowly, but by 38 I started to shave. I've never used it Finasteride Minoxidil it. In a nutshell unlike you I had given up the problem.
Currently I have almost reached a classification 4, but considering how I vellus both vertex than the front be able to have a classification within 2 years 3.
My vertex was smooth and had a diameter of 9cm, currently is less than 4cm in diameter, now the vertex is practically covered with vellus which in many cases has the portion close to the dark color of the skin, others are dark for half. Simply put, slowly back my hair.
The declaration on the recovery is real, I too have had similar timing.
The experiments sull'Androgenetic Alopecia male and female, are doing to the northern Italy.
The use of fine or other during the trial is grounds for exclusion.
I initially used the experimental lotion, then recently since I started the trial I went to industrial.
I am not a technician, I have now mastered, but please stop me complicated questions, are not so prepared.
about me and the people who used it, it worked well and without complications.
I thank those who keep giving liar.
Beps63:
to explain what you will hear in mind:
the first few times you use the lotion feel heat, that is the microcirculation You tends to be reactivated.
After a few months They tap the skull, feel growths, to the touch look like pimples, new hair will come from them.
They are very I use this lotion and still feel these growths.
in short, they are one of the guinea pigs on which it was developed the product.
For someone will horns, but they blame and partner instead of lotion.
bridge wrote:
Thanks beps! A key one question ...
Do you know if some testers have reported sexual sides because dell'equolo?
Beps63:
There were no sides.
Dante12 wrote:
Beps, I think, and I sincerely hope you're not a troll, although, as I'm concerned, I did not need further confirmation of the effectiveness of the treatment, after the phone call I had with Dr. Brotzu ...
I would like to ask you some domande..da how long you use it? apply it every day? and from the aesthetic point of view, greasy? dries quickly?
Do you know anything then of possible output in January?
And thank you for the information we're giving ...
Beps63:
not greasy dries in 15-20 minutes. I apply it every day. I started in the first experimental group, but only stopped falling, then it evolved
derix977 wrote:
Beps Sorry, I did not understand what you mean when you say that a trial of Androgenetic Alopecia and that there are not going to make foto.Come understand the degree of improvement and the initial situation if you do not make pictures periodically?
Maybe I do not understand it, someone has the answer?
Beps63:
I have access to the photos of AA, while I do not have access to the photos of Androgenetic Alopecia. I did not say that there are no pictures.
The Prof was not interested Androgenetic Alopecia, then did not do pictures.
snowblack89 wrote:
guys, but if one has atrophied bulbs for years, where do you think they can grow hair? we are talking about a topical, no transplantation or cloning etc. If the bulbs are dead can not be resurrected.
if it blocks the fall of everything and you recover you can think of a transplant that was to remain stable due to the lotion. (all this of course with the benefit of the doubt)
Beps63:
You have it all figured out.
Used to young people.
Use it for those like me 5A need to understand the extent to which the lotion works and how many degrees of baldness can be recovered. The basis of the research is to understand the extent to which the product works.
From 5A to 4 are not 1 2 degrees
Observe the Norwood chart
S7E841 wrote:
Beps we start from the fact that I'm very happy of your availability ..
But if I can afford?! What made you change your mind or way of ports giving us a lot of information that maybe even you could give us?
Someone gave you the green light at least within the limits?
I'm sorry it's my curiosity ..
I thank you anyway
Beps63:
You were saying a lot of ..... f*** you.
I literally lost my temper.
I understand that by law the test must last for at least 6 months.
Example: the product expires one year should be kept on the shelf for one year before you can put on sale. There are also exceptions, but do not know them. The rules are a cas ... no.
Imagine that convenience has a firm hold in a product that can give a strong profitability, should not, but it must by law.
For all the conspiracy theorists, thanked the EU laws, I am a disaster .
account_01 wrote:
but it is his invention, however beps, I did not understand a thing, you suffer the Androgenetic Alopecia, and why then you have access to photos of AA?
Beps63:
I make him computer assistance in de dermatoscope software
snowblack89 wrote:
Beps a question that i wanted to make is this, the doctor said at the time that initially the lotion was applied daily after which you could even switch to a weekly maintenance, what do you say about that?
Beps63:
After a period of attack (lotion every day ) it can be estimated that the mass of hair is sufficient. In this case only it serves to prevent our dihydrotestosterone resume to make us lose hair.Maintenance is a set of applications a week for 2 to 3 to avoid losing hair but keep the hair that you have.
Mr.blushine wrote:
After 17 days of application:
1) nn longer feel the slight itching of the first applications
2 ) the lotion tends to slip through the body, it should be spread rapidly (quickly absorbed)
3) every 3 days or so I'm noticing the leakage of a sketch / pimple shed. Nn know if it depends on the lotion.
4) I have many vellus that known nn be changed much
5) sides, nada de nada
Beps63:
The bumps as you call them are new hair. For years, I seem to have pimples on his head, but in the end are always new hair. Before you can call the stuff that grows hair, you will need to wait at least a year
S7E841 wrote:
What do you mean Beps that are years that you feel like pimples? Excuse me how long is that apply?
I have a question a bit 'for all .. who uses fine and are noticing improvements with the lotion?
Beps63:
When the Prof did the first tests, I was hired as a tester.
I saw all the product developments, including the final one (the final one is younger than 2 years)
Jake Chambers wrote:
beps Hello, I have a request, if possible, you describe exactly how to apply the lotion? That is, you do it in the morning or evening, after showering? Or indiscriminately during the day as it happens? Also how much of it applies (how many atomized). And then, now that you are doing the maintenance (I think) how many times a week you put it?
Thank
Beps63:
The lotion that now use is one made by fidia, which is identical to the last Prof. lotion That Fidia has preservatives that of Prof. not.
I put half an hour every night before going to sleep, so it dries.
Do not I wash the hair before, although in theory it would be better. (Marseille soap). I have short hair, most are long more they consume.
I do not have a nebulizer but a drip system. Load the dispenser with approximately 1 ml of lotion and put a few drops and spando his finger.
They are still under attack, I want to retrieve other 2 degrees and then I will only maintain
turiddruzzu wrote:
Beps could you tell us what preservatives are there? Other than beps dinner at this time Let us listen from your lips ahahahahahah a dinner everyone
Beps63:
I do not know. One of the many preservatives that are used for these products, and also in feeding
zimmerman wrote:
it would be nice to know if beps is aware of the type of changes between one version and the other, I mean if substantial sonostate or devices of that type .
Beps63:
the percentages of the other ingredients have been modified to be able to have the most efficient lotion. The ones I never had the interest to know them
canario wrote:
One important thing that so far seems to have escaped:
one speaks of it in the final drafting of photos of Beps there are "women" bottles and "man", then there are at least 2 versions. How do they differ? There is also a difference between the lotion and the AA for Androgenetic Alopecia?
Thanks for answers.
Beps63:
Women have less testosterone than men, so need less equol.
The vascular system is the same
S7E841 wrote:
Beps on a sostenevi intervention had recovered a degree of baldness ... and then always on the same post you said that you would have recovered more ...
Ok, as long as you talk to have recovered a degree we can stay ... but what gives you the retrieve other belief?! It is one thing also tested on others? That is, you know for a fact that this lotion does improve anyone from using it?!? Thanks
Beps63:
Watching the vellus with dermatoscope, you see different types of hair and vellus, are classified by diameter and color:
The vellus I was born transparent, brings forth the "blond" and bigger.
I have many vellus with dark base and the clear part of the terminal.
Those slightly bigger although very thin, they are larger than the vellus "blonde", but totally dark (brown)
This happens in both the Vertex is trai hair of the frontal zone, where there are a piece of hair normal and at least three times vellus at various stages.
When I say blond means that are little darker than transparent ones.
I hope I've explained well what happens
white tuxedo wrote:
Beps but then with the prolonged use of the lotion accounts on regrowth hair lost many years ago?
Beps63:
We are in a phase in which they are trying to figure out how many years you can go back.Objectively, the 5-year estimates of recovery, may be simplistic, but this will evaluate between at least a year.
They are under care for so long, and because it is an extreme case, either because they never sgarro, so they are reliable
zimmerman has wrote:
I imagine you'll be happy
you do not have a couple of photos that show the
change of image?
Beps63:
Pretend that were years that I rasavo.
With or without hair changes little, my life flows equally
Beps63:
http://imgur.com / a / pC8kW
in the picture you see on the top left, a dark shadow. What is the diameter of a normal hair. You see various stages of vellus. Once there was nothing
Jake Chambers wrote:
Thanks Beps!
This is your current situation as part of the scalp?
Beps63:
Vertex, I went from a 10cm diameter 3.8cm
S7E841 wrote:
But the ones that the hair they see there were terminals or have become so
through the use of lotion?
Beps63:
I was empty, smooth. Look at those who have dark base and the clear tip, that's why I am convinced that will recover other degrees of balding
white tuxedo wrote:
Beps take this opportunity one last time of your willingness to ask you one thing, when you said that for a optimal use of the lotion would be appropriate to apply it after washing the scalp with mild soap, there is a particular reason why it should be used this soap?
Beps63:
the Marseille soap is a soap without creams and above that which removes grease better.
I the I put in to wash my head without advance
Beps63:
Product speak.
The product was created by chance, taking over a number of years to determine the right proportions to make efficient and effective product. The composition to be used for man was the last to be defined. Know that have been studied different liposomes with different polarities. All this took time.
The lotion acts quickly to stop the fall, the cases treated say that in about 3/4 weeks stops the fall.It engages a hair reinforcement in place, including the vellus that slowly turn into hair (it takes more than one year). The new hair regrowth is slower unfortunately, around the 3rd month are noted on the skin growths; are new hair growing.
Know that there are variables, one is the age of the subject, how long will the hair is lost and the aggressiveness of baldness.
Know that to enter a new lotion you have to respect the legislation concerning the market which unfortunately are long, need some months. They are carrying out these obligations.
I do not know the terms of the marketing.
I've said too much
Greetings
artiglio5825 wrote:
Photos of some Agato you can see?
Beps63:
Here we have focused on AA, the Androgenetic Alopecia have the product at no charge, but not they are cataloged. In any case, confidentiality agreements were signed. In November will be published for the first time on the AA data to the Turin conference.
Account_01 wrote:
you're referring to cases of ALOPECIA ANDROGENETIC MEN?
Beps63:
male Androgenetic Alopecia, considering that I try it on my head every day.
P: S: I imagine that more than one would like to be in my place, I had solved rasandomi
Beps63:
the vellus is the hair of infants (those born bald), which takes about two years to become hair. Many of you have become atrophic hair vellus.
Beps63:
The lotion and do not give me the trial sull'Androgenetic Alopecia, so here sull'Androgenetic Alopecia photos do not exist, with the exception of a study on women two years ago. I recovered more than one degree of baldness, it will recover more.
De Sade wrote:
I understand, by a user, the product of Fidia has been changed since the first version of Brotzu in 2015, this is true?
Beps63:
They added preservatives. the rest is identical
Beps63:
I was killing of questions.
I am 50 years old when I started using the lotion I had a fifth classification. I lost my hair slowly, but by 38 I started to shave. I've never used it Finasteride Minoxidil it. In a nutshell unlike you I had given up the problem.
Currently I have almost reached a classification 4, but considering how I vellus both vertex than the front be able to have a classification within 2 years 3.
My vertex was smooth and had a diameter of 9cm, currently is less than 4cm in diameter, now the vertex is practically covered with vellus which in many cases has the portion close to the dark color of the skin, others are dark for half. Simply put, slowly back my hair.
The declaration on the recovery is real, I too have had similar timing.
The experiments sull'Androgenetic Alopecia male and female, are doing to the northern Italy.
The use of fine or other during the trial is grounds for exclusion.
I initially used the experimental lotion, then recently since I started the trial I went to industrial.
I am not a technician, I have now mastered, but please stop me complicated questions, are not so prepared.
about me and the people who used it, it worked well and without complications.
I thank those who keep giving liar.
Beps63:
to explain what you will hear in mind:
the first few times you use the lotion feel heat, that is the microcirculation You tends to be reactivated.
After a few months They tap the skull, feel growths, to the touch look like pimples, new hair will come from them.
They are very I use this lotion and still feel these growths.
in short, they are one of the guinea pigs on which it was developed the product.
For someone will horns, but they blame and partner instead of lotion.
bridge wrote:
Thanks beps! A key one question ...
Do you know if some testers have reported sexual sides because dell'equolo?
Beps63:
There were no sides.
Dante12 wrote:
Beps, I think, and I sincerely hope you're not a troll, although, as I'm concerned, I did not need further confirmation of the effectiveness of the treatment, after the phone call I had with Dr. Brotzu ...
I would like to ask you some domande..da how long you use it? apply it every day? and from the aesthetic point of view, greasy? dries quickly?
Do you know anything then of possible output in January?
And thank you for the information we're giving ...
Beps63:
not greasy dries in 15-20 minutes. I apply it every day. I started in the first experimental group, but only stopped falling, then it evolved
derix977 wrote:
Beps Sorry, I did not understand what you mean when you say that a trial of Androgenetic Alopecia and that there are not going to make foto.Come understand the degree of improvement and the initial situation if you do not make pictures periodically?
Maybe I do not understand it, someone has the answer?
Beps63:
I have access to the photos of AA, while I do not have access to the photos of Androgenetic Alopecia. I did not say that there are no pictures.
The Prof was not interested Androgenetic Alopecia, then did not do pictures.
snowblack89 wrote:
guys, but if one has atrophied bulbs for years, where do you think they can grow hair? we are talking about a topical, no transplantation or cloning etc. If the bulbs are dead can not be resurrected.
if it blocks the fall of everything and you recover you can think of a transplant that was to remain stable due to the lotion. (all this of course with the benefit of the doubt)
Beps63:
You have it all figured out.
Used to young people.
Use it for those like me 5A need to understand the extent to which the lotion works and how many degrees of baldness can be recovered. The basis of the research is to understand the extent to which the product works.
From 5A to 4 are not 1 2 degrees
Observe the Norwood chart
S7E841 wrote:
Beps we start from the fact that I'm very happy of your availability ..
But if I can afford?! What made you change your mind or way of ports giving us a lot of information that maybe even you could give us?
Someone gave you the green light at least within the limits?
I'm sorry it's my curiosity ..
I thank you anyway
Beps63:
You were saying a lot of ..... f*** you.
I literally lost my temper.
I understand that by law the test must last for at least 6 months.
Example: the product expires one year should be kept on the shelf for one year before you can put on sale. There are also exceptions, but do not know them. The rules are a cas ... no.
Imagine that convenience has a firm hold in a product that can give a strong profitability, should not, but it must by law.
For all the conspiracy theorists, thanked the EU laws, I am a disaster .
account_01 wrote:
but it is his invention, however beps, I did not understand a thing, you suffer the Androgenetic Alopecia, and why then you have access to photos of AA?
Beps63:
I make him computer assistance in de dermatoscope software
snowblack89 wrote:
Beps a question that i wanted to make is this, the doctor said at the time that initially the lotion was applied daily after which you could even switch to a weekly maintenance, what do you say about that?
Beps63:
After a period of attack (lotion every day ) it can be estimated that the mass of hair is sufficient. In this case only it serves to prevent our dihydrotestosterone resume to make us lose hair.Maintenance is a set of applications a week for 2 to 3 to avoid losing hair but keep the hair that you have.
Mr.blushine wrote:
After 17 days of application:
1) nn longer feel the slight itching of the first applications
2 ) the lotion tends to slip through the body, it should be spread rapidly (quickly absorbed)
3) every 3 days or so I'm noticing the leakage of a sketch / pimple shed. Nn know if it depends on the lotion.
4) I have many vellus that known nn be changed much
5) sides, nada de nada
Beps63:
The bumps as you call them are new hair. For years, I seem to have pimples on his head, but in the end are always new hair. Before you can call the stuff that grows hair, you will need to wait at least a year
S7E841 wrote:
What do you mean Beps that are years that you feel like pimples? Excuse me how long is that apply?
I have a question a bit 'for all .. who uses fine and are noticing improvements with the lotion?
Beps63:
When the Prof did the first tests, I was hired as a tester.
I saw all the product developments, including the final one (the final one is younger than 2 years)
Jake Chambers wrote:
beps Hello, I have a request, if possible, you describe exactly how to apply the lotion? That is, you do it in the morning or evening, after showering? Or indiscriminately during the day as it happens? Also how much of it applies (how many atomized). And then, now that you are doing the maintenance (I think) how many times a week you put it?
Thank
Beps63:
The lotion that now use is one made by fidia, which is identical to the last Prof. lotion That Fidia has preservatives that of Prof. not.
I put half an hour every night before going to sleep, so it dries.
Do not I wash the hair before, although in theory it would be better. (Marseille soap). I have short hair, most are long more they consume.
I do not have a nebulizer but a drip system. Load the dispenser with approximately 1 ml of lotion and put a few drops and spando his finger.
They are still under attack, I want to retrieve other 2 degrees and then I will only maintain
turiddruzzu wrote:
Beps could you tell us what preservatives are there? Other than beps dinner at this time Let us listen from your lips ahahahahahah a dinner everyone
Beps63:
I do not know. One of the many preservatives that are used for these products, and also in feeding
zimmerman wrote:
it would be nice to know if beps is aware of the type of changes between one version and the other, I mean if substantial sonostate or devices of that type .
Beps63:
the percentages of the other ingredients have been modified to be able to have the most efficient lotion. The ones I never had the interest to know them
canario wrote:
One important thing that so far seems to have escaped:
one speaks of it in the final drafting of photos of Beps there are "women" bottles and "man", then there are at least 2 versions. How do they differ? There is also a difference between the lotion and the AA for Androgenetic Alopecia?
Thanks for answers.
Beps63:
Women have less testosterone than men, so need less equol.
The vascular system is the same
S7E841 wrote:
Beps on a sostenevi intervention had recovered a degree of baldness ... and then always on the same post you said that you would have recovered more ...
Ok, as long as you talk to have recovered a degree we can stay ... but what gives you the retrieve other belief?! It is one thing also tested on others? That is, you know for a fact that this lotion does improve anyone from using it?!? Thanks
Beps63:
Watching the vellus with dermatoscope, you see different types of hair and vellus, are classified by diameter and color:
The vellus I was born transparent, brings forth the "blond" and bigger.
I have many vellus with dark base and the clear part of the terminal.
Those slightly bigger although very thin, they are larger than the vellus "blonde", but totally dark (brown)
This happens in both the Vertex is trai hair of the frontal zone, where there are a piece of hair normal and at least three times vellus at various stages.
When I say blond means that are little darker than transparent ones.
I hope I've explained well what happens
white tuxedo wrote:
Beps but then with the prolonged use of the lotion accounts on regrowth hair lost many years ago?
Beps63:
We are in a phase in which they are trying to figure out how many years you can go back.Objectively, the 5-year estimates of recovery, may be simplistic, but this will evaluate between at least a year.
They are under care for so long, and because it is an extreme case, either because they never sgarro, so they are reliable
zimmerman has wrote:
I imagine you'll be happy
you do not have a couple of photos that show the
change of image?
Beps63:
Pretend that were years that I rasavo.
With or without hair changes little, my life flows equally
Beps63:
http://imgur.com / a / pC8kW
in the picture you see on the top left, a dark shadow. What is the diameter of a normal hair. You see various stages of vellus. Once there was nothing
Jake Chambers wrote:
Thanks Beps!
This is your current situation as part of the scalp?
Beps63:
Vertex, I went from a 10cm diameter 3.8cm
S7E841 wrote:
But the ones that the hair they see there were terminals or have become so
through the use of lotion?
Beps63:
I was empty, smooth. Look at those who have dark base and the clear tip, that's why I am convinced that will recover other degrees of balding
white tuxedo wrote:
Beps take this opportunity one last time of your willingness to ask you one thing, when you said that for a optimal use of the lotion would be appropriate to apply it after washing the scalp with mild soap, there is a particular reason why it should be used this soap?
Beps63:
the Marseille soap is a soap without creams and above that which removes grease better.
I the I put in to wash my head without advance
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This is a summary made by the user "Jake Chambers" on the italian forums with all of Beps63 claims about the lotion:
Beps63:
Product speak.
The product was created by chance, taking over a number of years to determine the right proportions to make efficient and effective product. The composition to be used for man was the last to be defined. Know that have been studied different liposomes with different polarities. All this took time.
The lotion acts quickly to stop the fall, the cases treated say that in about 3/4 weeks stops the fall.It engages a hair reinforcement in place, including the vellus that slowly turn into hair (it takes more than one year). The new hair regrowth is slower unfortunately, around the 3rd month are noted on the skin growths; are new hair growing.
Know that there are variables, one is the age of the subject, how long will the hair is lost and the aggressiveness of baldness.
Know that to enter a new lotion you have to respect the legislation concerning the market which unfortunately are long, need some months. They are carrying out these obligations.
I do not know the terms of the marketing.
I've said too much
Greetings
artiglio5825 wrote:
Photos of some Agato you can see?
Beps63:
Here we have focused on AA, the Androgenetic Alopecia have the product at no charge, but not they are cataloged. In any case, confidentiality agreements were signed. In November will be published for the first time on the AA data to the Turin conference.
Account_01 wrote:
you're referring to cases of ALOPECIA ANDROGENETIC MEN?
Beps63:
male Androgenetic Alopecia, considering that I try it on my head every day.
P: S: I imagine that more than one would like to be in my place, I had solved rasandomi
Beps63:
the vellus is the hair of infants (those born bald), which takes about two years to become hair. Many of you have become atrophic hair vellus.
Beps63:
The lotion and do not give me the trial sull'Androgenetic Alopecia, so here sull'Androgenetic Alopecia photos do not exist, with the exception of a study on women two years ago. I recovered more than one degree of baldness, it will recover more.
De Sade wrote:
I understand, by a user, the product of Fidia has been changed since the first version of Brotzu in 2015, this is true?
Beps63:
They added preservatives. the rest is identical
Beps63:
I was killing of questions.
I am 50 years old when I started using the lotion I had a fifth classification. I lost my hair slowly, but by 38 I started to shave. I've never used it Finasteride Minoxidil it. In a nutshell unlike you I had given up the problem.
Currently I have almost reached a classification 4, but considering how I vellus both vertex than the front be able to have a classification within 2 years 3.
My vertex was smooth and had a diameter of 9cm, currently is less than 4cm in diameter, now the vertex is practically covered with vellus which in many cases has the portion close to the dark color of the skin, others are dark for half. Simply put, slowly back my hair.
The declaration on the recovery is real, I too have had similar timing.
The experiments sull'Androgenetic Alopecia male and female, are doing to the northern Italy.
The use of fine or other during the trial is grounds for exclusion.
I initially used the experimental lotion, then recently since I started the trial I went to industrial.
I am not a technician, I have now mastered, but please stop me complicated questions, are not so prepared.
about me and the people who used it, it worked well and without complications.
I thank those who keep giving liar.
Beps63:
to explain what you will hear in mind:
the first few times you use the lotion feel heat, that is the microcirculation You tends to be reactivated.
After a few months They tap the skull, feel growths, to the touch look like pimples, new hair will come from them.
They are very I use this lotion and still feel these growths.
in short, they are one of the guinea pigs on which it was developed the product.
For someone will horns, but they blame and partner instead of lotion.
bridge wrote:
Thanks beps! A key one question ...
Do you know if some testers have reported sexual sides because dell'equolo?
Beps63:
There were no sides.
Dante12 wrote:
Beps, I think, and I sincerely hope you're not a troll, although, as I'm concerned, I did not need further confirmation of the effectiveness of the treatment, after the phone call I had with Dr. Brotzu ...
I would like to ask you some domande..da how long you use it? apply it every day? and from the aesthetic point of view, greasy? dries quickly?
Do you know anything then of possible output in January?
And thank you for the information we're giving ...
Beps63:
not greasy dries in 15-20 minutes. I apply it every day. I started in the first experimental group, but only stopped falling, then it evolved
derix977 wrote:
Beps Sorry, I did not understand what you mean when you say that a trial of Androgenetic Alopecia and that there are not going to make foto.Come understand the degree of improvement and the initial situation if you do not make pictures periodically?
Maybe I do not understand it, someone has the answer?
Beps63:
I have access to the photos of AA, while I do not have access to the photos of Androgenetic Alopecia. I did not say that there are no pictures.
The Prof was not interested Androgenetic Alopecia, then did not do pictures.
snowblack89 wrote:
guys, but if one has atrophied bulbs for years, where do you think they can grow hair? we are talking about a topical, no transplantation or cloning etc. If the bulbs are dead can not be resurrected.
if it blocks the fall of everything and you recover you can think of a transplant that was to remain stable due to the lotion. (all this of course with the benefit of the doubt)
Beps63:
You have it all figured out.
Used to young people.
Use it for those like me 5A need to understand the extent to which the lotion works and how many degrees of baldness can be recovered. The basis of the research is to understand the extent to which the product works.
From 5A to 4 are not 1 2 degrees
Observe the Norwood chart
S7E841 wrote:
Beps we start from the fact that I'm very happy of your availability ..
But if I can afford?! What made you change your mind or way of ports giving us a lot of information that maybe even you could give us?
Someone gave you the green light at least within the limits?
I'm sorry it's my curiosity ..
I thank you anyway
Beps63:
You were saying a lot of ..... f*** you.
I literally lost my temper.
I understand that by law the test must last for at least 6 months.
Example: the product expires one year should be kept on the shelf for one year before you can put on sale. There are also exceptions, but do not know them. The rules are a cas ... no.
Imagine that convenience has a firm hold in a product that can give a strong profitability, should not, but it must by law.
For all the conspiracy theorists, thanked the EU laws, I am a disaster .
account_01 wrote:
but it is his invention, however beps, I did not understand a thing, you suffer the Androgenetic Alopecia, and why then you have access to photos of AA?
Beps63:
I make him computer assistance in de dermatoscope software
snowblack89 wrote:
Beps a question that i wanted to make is this, the doctor said at the time that initially the lotion was applied daily after which you could even switch to a weekly maintenance, what do you say about that?
Beps63:
After a period of attack (lotion every day ) it can be estimated that the mass of hair is sufficient. In this case only it serves to prevent our dihydrotestosterone resume to make us lose hair.Maintenance is a set of applications a week for 2 to 3 to avoid losing hair but keep the hair that you have.
Mr.blushine wrote:
After 17 days of application:
1) nn longer feel the slight itching of the first applications
2 ) the lotion tends to slip through the body, it should be spread rapidly (quickly absorbed)
3) every 3 days or so I'm noticing the leakage of a sketch / pimple shed. Nn know if it depends on the lotion.
4) I have many vellus that known nn be changed much
5) sides, nada de nada
Beps63:
The bumps as you call them are new hair. For years, I seem to have pimples on his head, but in the end are always new hair. Before you can call the stuff that grows hair, you will need to wait at least a year
S7E841 wrote:
What do you mean Beps that are years that you feel like pimples? Excuse me how long is that apply?
I have a question a bit 'for all .. who uses fine and are noticing improvements with the lotion?
Beps63:
When the Prof did the first tests, I was hired as a tester.
I saw all the product developments, including the final one (the final one is younger than 2 years)
Jake Chambers wrote:
beps Hello, I have a request, if possible, you describe exactly how to apply the lotion? That is, you do it in the morning or evening, after showering? Or indiscriminately during the day as it happens? Also how much of it applies (how many atomized). And then, now that you are doing the maintenance (I think) how many times a week you put it?
Thank
Beps63:
The lotion that now use is one made by fidia, which is identical to the last Prof. lotion That Fidia has preservatives that of Prof. not.
I put half an hour every night before going to sleep, so it dries.
Do not I wash the hair before, although in theory it would be better. (Marseille soap). I have short hair, most are long more they consume.
I do not have a nebulizer but a drip system. Load the dispenser with approximately 1 ml of lotion and put a few drops and spando his finger.
They are still under attack, I want to retrieve other 2 degrees and then I will only maintain
turiddruzzu wrote:
Beps could you tell us what preservatives are there? Other than beps dinner at this time Let us listen from your lips ahahahahahah a dinner everyone
Beps63:
I do not know. One of the many preservatives that are used for these products, and also in feeding
zimmerman wrote:
it would be nice to know if beps is aware of the type of changes between one version and the other, I mean if substantial sonostate or devices of that type .
Beps63:
the percentages of the other ingredients have been modified to be able to have the most efficient lotion. The ones I never had the interest to know them
canario wrote:
One important thing that so far seems to have escaped:
one speaks of it in the final drafting of photos of Beps there are "women" bottles and "man", then there are at least 2 versions. How do they differ? There is also a difference between the lotion and the AA for Androgenetic Alopecia?
Thanks for answers.
Beps63:
Women have less testosterone than men, so need less equol.
The vascular system is the same
S7E841 wrote:
Beps on a sostenevi intervention had recovered a degree of baldness ... and then always on the same post you said that you would have recovered more ...
Ok, as long as you talk to have recovered a degree we can stay ... but what gives you the retrieve other belief?! It is one thing also tested on others? That is, you know for a fact that this lotion does improve anyone from using it?!? Thanks
Beps63:
Watching the vellus with dermatoscope, you see different types of hair and vellus, are classified by diameter and color:
The vellus I was born transparent, brings forth the "blond" and bigger.
I have many vellus with dark base and the clear part of the terminal.
Those slightly bigger although very thin, they are larger than the vellus "blonde", but totally dark (brown)
This happens in both the Vertex is trai hair of the frontal zone, where there are a piece of hair normal and at least three times vellus at various stages.
When I say blond means that are little darker than transparent ones.
I hope I've explained well what happens
white tuxedo wrote:
Beps but then with the prolonged use of the lotion accounts on regrowth hair lost many years ago?
Beps63:
We are in a phase in which they are trying to figure out how many years you can go back.Objectively, the 5-year estimates of recovery, may be simplistic, but this will evaluate between at least a year.
They are under care for so long, and because it is an extreme case, either because they never sgarro, so they are reliable
zimmerman has wrote:
I imagine you'll be happy
you do not have a couple of photos that show the
change of image?
Beps63:
Pretend that were years that I rasavo.
With or without hair changes little, my life flows equally
Beps63:
http://imgur.com / a / pC8kW
in the picture you see on the top left, a dark shadow. What is the diameter of a normal hair. You see various stages of vellus. Once there was nothing
Jake Chambers wrote:
Thanks Beps!
This is your current situation as part of the scalp?
Beps63:
Vertex, I went from a 10cm diameter 3.8cm
S7E841 wrote:
But the ones that the hair they see there were terminals or have become so
through the use of lotion?
Beps63:
I was empty, smooth. Look at those who have dark base and the clear tip, that's why I am convinced that will recover other degrees of balding
white tuxedo wrote:
Beps take this opportunity one last time of your willingness to ask you one thing, when you said that for a optimal use of the lotion would be appropriate to apply it after washing the scalp with mild soap, there is a particular reason why it should be used this soap?
Beps63:
the Marseille soap is a soap without creams and above that which removes grease better.
I the I put in to wash my head without advance
thanks for the help.
about this image http://imgur.com/a/pC8kW beps claims he was pretty smooth bald in that area and now he got vellus hair and according to him and what brotzu claims every vellus hair should turn to a normal hair, but it may take a time, one year may be.
and he says that the vellus hair he has, have a larger diameter (thicker) in the root and thinner at the end of the hair. so this is proof for him that the hair is becomming thicker over time.
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did we post this article already?
he did not make it sound like it would take long for lotion to go to market once trials are finished.
http://www.alopecia24.it/cura-alopecia-2016-intervista-giovanni-brotzu/
he did not make it sound like it would take long for lotion to go to market once trials are finished.
http://www.alopecia24.it/cura-alopecia-2016-intervista-giovanni-brotzu/
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this was in another article...so i think it will be out sometime 2017.
The drug for the treatment of alopecia should be put on the market by the second quarter of 2016 and can be purchased without a prescription. All thanks to several years of research by Professor Brotzu, in a successful attempt to transform a born product as a cosmetic drug.
also from same website
So we asked for clarification from the Fidia, the company precisely who is testing the drug and who will take care of the future sale and entry into the market. We still have no official response therefore does not publish information that would be untrue. However, they confirm when told by Dr. Brotzu, or that you are in a clinical trial of the drug and that may essereci new developments by the end of 2016.
As soon as we will post updates about them on this page. Please actively readers not to contact the editors to ask questions on the sale of the drug because we have no information or contact you want to send. Thank you for understanding.
The drug for the treatment of alopecia should be put on the market by the second quarter of 2016 and can be purchased without a prescription. All thanks to several years of research by Professor Brotzu, in a successful attempt to transform a born product as a cosmetic drug.
also from same website
So we asked for clarification from the Fidia, the company precisely who is testing the drug and who will take care of the future sale and entry into the market. We still have no official response therefore does not publish information that would be untrue. However, they confirm when told by Dr. Brotzu, or that you are in a clinical trial of the drug and that may essereci new developments by the end of 2016.
As soon as we will post updates about them on this page. Please actively readers not to contact the editors to ask questions on the sale of the drug because we have no information or contact you want to send. Thank you for understanding.
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Good find! I dont recall it ever being posted - 12 months from jan 2016, lets hope this actually happens at some point in 2017 (6 months would be a godsend), as Im pretty sure he has a little insight into Fidia's roll out plan.
Some highlights -
6) What are the factors which determine the effectiveness of the outcome? And how long should the treatment?
THE first factor is the age of the subject, the more young before observed positive feedback, the second is how long appeared alopecia.
In androgenetic alopecia if the lotion is applied at the beginning the response is immediate ,.
It should be noted in any case the treatment must be repeated several times in time, because it does not act on the causes that determine alopecia but prevents the causes to act.
7) By when, specifically, it will be released? There are difficulties in Italy or all go smoothly?
I think that will go on the market within 12 months. We have to respect the regulations of the sector.
At the conclusion of the trial, we will evaluate the best approach at last to put the product on the market within a reasonable time.
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He also said this:
It depends of course when you take action, the sooner you start, the sooner you stop hair loss.Consider also that our knowledge of this product allows us to say that you can recover at least 5 years of hair loss.
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At least 5 years, I thought it was max. Recovering 5 years would be like winning the lottery. f***, I hope this is true!
It depends of course when you take action, the sooner you start, the sooner you stop hair loss.Consider also that our knowledge of this product allows us to say that you can recover at least 5 years of hair loss.
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At least 5 years, I thought it was max. Recovering 5 years would be like winning the lottery. f***, I hope this is true!
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A vellus hair will shed as a vellus hair. It is basic hair biology.
The thickness of a healthy hair don't change meanwhile during its growth,
To Beps
how many time a month do you usually shave the scalp?
The thickness of a healthy hair don't change meanwhile during its growth,
To Beps
how many time a month do you usually shave the scalp?
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if this lotion works, as soon as this comes out in Italy I go all in and take my car and ride the 1000km to Italy. First I'll thank Mr Brotzu in person, I'll give him a hug. Secondly I buy a pallet of lotion…
Oh sorry! I’m little bit over enthusiastic. back to reality I should know that with hairloss treatment it’s better to keep hopes as low as possible. So let's hope for good newsfrom the trial first
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I would be happy thrilled with 5 years for sure...it's not the hair i had in my 20s---but i had super crazy dense hair in my 20s. It's really just past 3 or 4 years i am really unhappy with it.
Maybe once the follicle has scar tissue these growth stimulate won't work at all.
Does anyone know when the scarring starts to effect the follicles?