Make brotzu's lotion (not yet GB!)

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jeff_ said:
We each paid 90 Euro, which covered shipping as well. I've been reading the original Italian Brotzu forum (below) and see that the guy heading the Italian GB (Spato aka spatolatorefolle), who first makes his appearance on page 68, was posting frequently and consistently since then, asking questions about the components/preparation/legality etc, updating the forum on his talks with suppliers and labs, and then creating the blog site (below) when there seemed to be enough interest for a group buy. The blog posts seem legitimate as well. Though I had my doubts earlier, those have now been nearly eradicated ("nearly" bc I can't claim to have verified.) This is too much trouble for a small time scam that would only net him a few G's. There is legitimately a language barrier and he has been responding to 200 impatient and inquisitive balding guys for many weeks now, so it's completely understandable that he hasn't answered all of everyone's questions (and it makes total sense that he does not want to jeopardize his relationship with the lab that is doing him a favor by naming them.) The shipping debacle with the first group also seemed likely to occur given that this was run by a single guy as a side project and not a retailer with infrastructure set up for easy international shipments. Not sure how much of it was slow mail or customs issues vs carelessness by the sender but he claims he's going to take care of the the issue with the second GB.

http://www.ieson.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=66178&whichpage=68

http://rivoluzionecapelli.blogspot.it/

I believe he will send the lotion (last blog post mentions the ingredients were received and another guy in the second GB was told it would be shipping in two weeks). However, I'm going to continue gathering info to determine whether this lotion can be made elsewhere (and, if so, will initiate a group buy if I can't bear the cost myself). One dermatology journal that covered Brotzu mentions the exact suppliers Brotzu used for the components and I've found some secondary suppliers in case we can't get the primary source. As long as these suppliers will sell to private citizens (indication is that many will, not sure if shipping/customs would be an issue) the only obstacle then would be finding someone knowledgeable enough to prepare the lotion at home (we may need to provide the sonicator, which is what Spato did with the lab he used) or a lab that is willing to do it given their regulations. New York's top lab will not do it because they don't have a verified source for DGLA and S Equol and would breach regulations if they used any other suppliers not on their list. I believe this means that even Dr. Brotzu's suppliers are not on their trusted list. Brotzu uses Wuhan HengHeDa Pharmacy for the S Equol and the chemist told me reputable US labs would never use any Chinese suppliers. I'd encourage anyone who knows a person/lab that can prepare the lotion competently to post here so we can get this done. The other things to mention is that the NY chemist said there's no way any lab can claim they'll be able to produce the cationic liposomal formulation *exactly* as Brotzu because there is not enough detail in the patent (patents always exclude as much detail as possible.) However, people can produce liposomes at home with a sonicator:

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Therefore any decent lab can certainly produce cationic liposomes. So unless someone with expertise tells me that the effectiveness of the lotion REQUIRES that the liposomes are identical to Broztu's and will be completely ineffective otherwise, I'm going to attempt to have it made. If anyone is interested, I'm thinking of getting a small group together (maybe just even one other forum member) to gather information and execute the plan. I'm too busy to do this quickly on my own and I anticipate a lot of false leads etc. The group would communicate by phone which will be much more efficient than doing it via the forum. Let me know.
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I want to be in
90 euros its of for me what i have to do ??
 
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yo RLF, if you have sides, would you mind sending it to me in the US? I want the sloppy thirds... seriously man, this guy is a f*****g joke. we need a new supplier and someone needs to visit him in his basement with a lead pipe.
 
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jeff_ said:
Brotzu uses Wuhan HengHeDa Pharmacy for the S Equol and the chemist told me reputable US labs would never use any Chinese suppliers.
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Seriously?
So much screwing around with WHP.

@rlf What were his sides though?
 
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Ikkaku said:
Where's Kane???
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it doesnt make sense for Kane to copy this lotion. If he copy and prove that lotion is effective, after the Fidia release he would lose all his customers and his business would be ruined. It's better for him just sit and hope that this stuff doesn't work.
 
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inmyhead said:
it doesnt make sense for Kane to copy this lotion. If he copy and prove that lotion is effective, after the Fidia release he would lose all his customers and his business would be ruined. It's better for him just sit and hope that this stuff doesn't work.
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Yes but it depends on the price. If he sells this for let's say $40 and Fida for $100 then which one would you buy if you knew Kane lotion is also working.
Also If they plan to spend sh*t load of money on Marketing I can bet Fida stuff will be expensive.
 
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rcom440 said:
Yes but it depends on the price. If he sells this for let's say $40 and Fida for $100 then which one would you buy if you knew Kane lotion is also working.
Also If they plan to spend sh*t load of money on Marketing I can bet Fida stuff will be expensive.
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On top of that basically everyone who knows about Kane will use his treatments along side the lotion anyway.
 
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rcom440 said:
Yes but it depends on the price. If he sells this for let's say $40 and Fida for $100 then which one would you buy if you knew Kane lotion is also working.
Also If they plan to spend sh*t load of money on Marketing I can bet Fida stuff will be expensive.
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I would choose fidia's without a second thought even if it's double the price of kanes. Piece of mind and better results would make it worth it to me.
 
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jc3303 said:
I would choose fidia's without a second thought even if it's double the price of kanes. Piece of mind and better results would make it worth it to me.
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Then there is question when it will be released. if Kane gets it done first I will try his stuff - why not.
 
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jeff_ said:
We each paid 90 Euro, which covered shipping as well. I've been reading the original Italian Brotzu forum (below) and see that the guy heading the Italian GB (Spato aka spatolatorefolle), who first makes his appearance on page 68, was posting frequently and consistently since then, asking questions about the components/preparation/legality etc, updating the forum on his talks with suppliers and labs, and then creating the blog site (below) when there seemed to be enough interest for a group buy. The blog posts seem legitimate as well. Though I had my doubts earlier, those have now been nearly eradicated ("nearly" bc I can't claim to have verified.) This is too much trouble for a small time scam that would only net him a few G's. There is legitimately a language barrier and he has been responding to 200 impatient and inquisitive balding guys for many weeks now, so it's completely understandable that he hasn't answered all of everyone's questions (and it makes total sense that he does not want to jeopardize his relationship with the lab that is doing him a favor by naming them.) The shipping debacle with the first group also seemed likely to occur given that this was run by a single guy as a side project and not a retailer with infrastructure set up for easy international shipments. Not sure how much of it was slow mail or customs issues vs carelessness by the sender but he claims he's going to take care of the the issue with the second GB.

http://www.ieson.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=66178&whichpage=68

http://rivoluzionecapelli.blogspot.it/

I believe he will send the lotion (last blog post mentions the ingredients were received and another guy in the second GB was told it would be shipping in two weeks). However, I'm going to continue gathering info to determine whether this lotion can be made elsewhere (and, if so, will initiate a group buy if I can't bear the cost myself). One dermatology journal that covered Brotzu mentions the exact suppliers Brotzu used for the components and I've found some secondary suppliers in case we can't get the primary source. As long as these suppliers will sell to private citizens (indication is that many will, not sure if shipping/customs would be an issue) the only obstacle then would be finding someone knowledgeable enough to prepare the lotion at home (we may need to provide the sonicator, which is what Spato did with the lab he used) or a lab that is willing to do it given their regulations. New York's top lab will not do it because they don't have a verified source for DGLA and S Equol and would breach regulations if they used any other suppliers not on their list. I believe this means that even Dr. Brotzu's suppliers are not on their trusted list. Brotzu uses Wuhan HengHeDa Pharmacy for the S Equol and the chemist told me reputable US labs would never use any Chinese suppliers. I'd encourage anyone who knows a person/lab that can prepare the lotion competently to post here so we can get this done. The other things to mention is that the NY chemist said there's no way any lab can claim they'll be able to produce the cationic liposomal formulation *exactly* as Brotzu because there is not enough detail in the patent (patents always exclude as much detail as possible.) However, people can produce liposomes at home with a sonicator:

)

Therefore any decent lab can certainly produce cationic liposomes. So unless someone with expertise tells me that the effectiveness of the lotion REQUIRES that the liposomes are identical to Broztu's and will be completely ineffective otherwise, I'm going to attempt to have it made. If anyone is interested, I'm thinking of getting a small group together (maybe just even one other forum member) to gather information and execute the plan. I'm too busy to do this quickly on my own and I anticipate a lot of false leads etc. The group would communicate by phone which will be much more efficient than doing it via the forum. Let me know.
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