More Childless Men: Women Do Not Want Children With Low-status Men

[RegenWaiting]

@WhitePolarBear @JeanLucBB @zircon @Afro_Vacancy

Didn't know who to quote as the argument(s) go far back and everybody has valuable contributions.

There is so much negative attention that goes on the whole immigration and refugee aspect, focusing on
the domestic issues at hand, while overlooking the bigger state of things - and that ain't a pretty picture.
Biological diversity, Patriachal society, Climate change and Refugees are all connected in some ways or other.


There's defo lacking in bigger left (logic) options on the scene of politics, and this gives raise to antagonistic
(right), self-focusing and destructive ideologies. Why is there lacking in good leftist options? I believe the
corrupt new-wave feminism must take a bigger part of the blame, and cannot longer be justified even in
a simple aspect as the biological one.

Purily biologically speaking a women is born with the full number of oocytes (DNA material) that she will ever
have. So blatantly speaking, if all the women in the world never went to school nor did anything to ''evovle''
it's effects on evolution would be nearly non-existent. Point: Males drive evolution with constant making and
differentiating of spermatides. It's the males experience that causes *activation* and *mutation* of genes.
So...the west is on the wrong path - biologically speaking. (Note: I have dumbed this down hard and am not
suggesting women shouldn't go to school. This is biologically speaking.)
Why and how has this happened?

How have we come to a point that people are turning on their neighbours in a material and existential crisis?
Muslims are not coming to Europe because they now have realized that ''Huh look at that, they have better
everything, let's go have the fruits of their labour while we slowly take over and banish their (productive)
culture in the end''. How have they not come to this realization before? Why aren't native people in other
parts of the world coming over as ''economical refugees''?

Instead of looking at your neighbour today dear brothers, you will with the same mindset look at your brother
tomorrow. Because dear friends, the cannibalistic nature of capitalism will ensure this. It drives the selfishness
in the man, nurturing the very beastley corner of the human mind without any simpathy for the good or wrong, nor
the weak or the poor. There ain't something wrong with people's actions, what's wrong is the system that
drives those actions. (Most people are followers)

While the average worker today is fighting his family over some capitalists sh*t(yes-sh*t to eat), the same capitalist
has a stash of chocolate hidden somewhere safe. As long as we turn on, and look at eachother, we'll never find
the solution that is hidden in coordination, respect and tolerance - all things necessary to reach a stable environment
without we cannot identify the root problem.

I think mr Zircon has mentioned we are indeed in a need of new ways(ideas/system) to steer the boat of the human kind in the
healthy direction, and that's about right.

A theme recently has been cryptocurrencies, and the effect those may have. I myself I'm always an (never-ending)optimist,
and I think the technology has potential. At least, capital will not more in the same degree generate capital, but personal
work, ideas and accomplishments will give on credit and valueable assets to drive the world in more a more healthy
direction.

We should not underesimate the power of people. All it takes is a powerful voice and mind, and there will come a time
when we'll indeed be witness to several ''walks of shame''.

 

[CaptainForehead]

You see that very thin green line on the right? That's all the engineers and doctors that are currently being imported to Europe.

All the engineers are doctors currently being imported to Europe are black?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

" from real scientists, not crackpots submitting to crackpot journals. "

And again we get back to the problem with a major problem with the left, and it isn't a generalisation. Only those from the left may be the arbiters of truth and more often than not you hold a desire to legislate your truths into the world, rather than letting free speech, free transactions and free markets exist. It's not enough for you to simply endorse a claim and allow the free market to decide, you ask for the most subsidies in the sector, massive legislative changes such as carbon capture and low emissions fossil fuel tech to cripple their price competitiveness and everyone to endorse the same claim as yourself.

"It is up to you to prove the case against it as you are the one taking on the contrarian position. "

Take a f*****g analytic philosophy 101 course because you literally don't know what the f*** you are talking about. That is a pure bandwagon fallacy. I provided evidence and you ignore it and criticise it mentioning SPECIFICALLY that it is "right-wing". What evidence could I provide that you would accept? Nothing, because your mind is made up and you prefer the bandwagon fallacy to facts or reality. The problem with the peer review system is that you will lose your peer reviewing ability if you don't tow the party line. There is no incentive to provide accurate facts because there is a culture that is against it and more interested in virtue signalling and career prospects than questioning this. The fact that "legitimate" scientists can back an agreement like Paris under which there are no penalties, China and India will drastically increase emissions and the US will decrease them is evidence enough that this isn't about facts or objectivity, it's about moralising.

"It's also the case that global warming is simple physics which has been understood conceptually for ~1 century."

That must be why their non-open source computer modelling has been consistently incorrect over the past two decades. Must be why their temperature rate predictions from 2000-2015 and sea level + antarctic ice predictions from the same period were so completely off base despite 95% confidence intervals (which NASA admits). Because "simple physics". f*****g get real.

Against my better judgment, I caved in and logged in, I see this ignorant drivel and it merely serves to remind me of why I shouldn't discuss politics on the internet.

To answer your misguided points, yes, the source does matter. If we know that somebody is a liar and a fraud, then we have to be careful about what they say, we have to be skeptical, and that includes crackpot publications like Energy and Environment. I get crackpot emails all the time from people claiming to have refuted Einstein, that black holes don't exist, etc. I don't give them the time of day. In my social life, I don't trust and don't rely on people who have lied to me or let me down. You can bring up analytic philosophy all you want, but I'm sure you do the same, as do your philosophy professors.

It is also not the case that not all opinions are equally valid. When people promote vaccine denial, young-Earth creationism, the Flat Earth (apparently a thing) and deny global warming, they are simply not on an even ground. There are lots of inferior positions in the world, and that is why we have notions like Occam's razor to account for the fact that stronger claims need stronger evidence. Scientists increasingly rely on Bayes' theorem, which can be thought of as a quantitative generalization of Occam's razor. Stronger claims require stronger evidence. You're making a strong claim, and you've thus far provided no evidence.

Now returning to the simple physics of global warming ... do you even know how it works? You probably don't. It works because CO2 (and H2O) are opaque gases in the mid-infrared, which is the wavelength of light approximately corresponding to emission at the Earth's mean temperature of 290 Kelvin. Do you know what any of those words mean? Possibly not, but I can assure you that the physics is relatively simple. Undergraduate physics and climatology majors can, and do, derive the Earth's temperature to within an accuracy off a few degrees (or 1% precision). Within the 20th century, climate models predicted (postdicted as the increase started around 1940) a temperature increase relative to the historical trend, and indeed temperatures have risen ~10x faster in the past century than the average of the past ~2,000 years. It's an impressive achievement. As we speak, any given year is the warmest or second-warmest year on record, that's also an impressive, validated prediction.

But let's be honest: you will not find any credible or rigorous scientists arguing for young earth creationism, global warming denial, vaccine denial, or the Flat Earth. And yes, I've made up my mind on all four of those issues.

Years ago I was arguing with someone who both denied global warming and believed in the young Earth. They asked me if there was anything they could do to invalidate my beliefs. I told them to bring me a dinosaur meat sandwich

 

[JeanLucBB]

Against my better judgment, I caved in and logged in, I see this ignorant drivel and it merely serves to remind me of why I shouldn't discuss politics on the internet.

To answer your misguided points, yes, the source does matter. If we know that somebody is a liar and a fraud, then we have to be careful about what they say, we have to be skeptical, and that includes crackpot publications like Energy and Environment. I get crackpot emails all the time from people claiming to have refuted Einstein, that black holes don't exist, etc. I don't give them the time of day. In my social life, I don't trust and don't rely on people who have lied to me or let me down. You can bring up analytic philosophy all you want, but I'm sure you do the same, as do your philosophy professors.

It is also not the case that not all opinions are equally valid. When people promote vaccine denial, young-Earth creationism, the Flat Earth (apparently a thing) and deny global warming, they are simply not on an even ground. There are lots of inferior positions in the world, and that is why we have notions like Occam's razor to account for the fact that stronger claims need stronger evidence. Scientists increasingly rely on Bayes' theorem, which can be thought of as a quantitative generalization of Occam's razor. Stronger claims require stronger evidence. You're making a strong claim, and you've thus far provided no evidence.

Now returning to the simple physics of global warming ... do you even know how it works? You probably don't. It works because CO2 (and H2O) are opaque gases in the mid-infrared, which is the wavelength of light approximately corresponding to emission at the Earth's mean temperature of 290 Kelvin. Do you know what any of those words mean? Possibly not, but I can assure you that the physics is relatively simple. Undergraduate physics and climatology majors can, and do, derive the Earth's temperature to within an accuracy off a few degrees (or 1% precision). Within the 20th century, climate models predicted (postdicted as the increase started around 1940) a temperature increase relative to the historical trend, and indeed temperatures have risen ~10x faster in the past century than the average of the past ~2,000 years. It's an impressive achievement. As we speak, any given year is the warmest or second-warmest year on record, that's also an impressive, validated prediction.

But let's be honest: you will not find any credible or rigorous scientists arguing for young earth creationism, global warming denial, vaccine denial, or the Flat Earth. And yes, I've made up my mind on all four of those issues.

Years ago I was arguing with someone who both denied global warming and believed in the young Earth. They asked me if there was anything they could do to invalidate my beliefs. I told them to bring me a dinosaur meat sandwich

Strawmans of vaccine denial and flat earth which have nothing to do with what I said and claims that my argument is wrong because no “rigorous” or “credible” scientists agree. Unfortunate predicament that your definition of “credible” is one that appeals to your views.

Then there’s the issue of your “occams razor” obsession claiming that those who don’t share your views require stronger evidence than you require.

How embarrassing you are. Closest I’ve come to putting someone on ignore here, you’re the embodiment of every disgusting trait a Marxist can have with seemingly no self awareness. Unfortunate because you’re not a stupid person, just a cuck who only applies logic when it suits them. How much pussy and money has your virtue signaling got you?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

An interesting factoid about Australia: The only Australian food to have succeeded internationally is the macadamia nut (commercially developed by Hawaians). Of all of the native Australian plants and meats, not a single one has been integrated into the global culinary and food supply. I lived there for four years as well, on very rare occasions, foods like kangaroo, crocodile, and wattleseed made it onto menus.

In contrast, from the Western Hemisphere we've had foods as varied as the tomato, the potato, the watermelon, the squash, cocoa, vanilla, cinnamon, bell peppers, pecans, cashews, corn, etc are part of global food culture. Just imagine Italian food without these influences.

The difference is partly that in Australia, the aboriginals were simply exterminated. Prizes were given to colonialists who killed three aboriginals. Smallpox was used as a deliberate weapon. Not a single Tazmanian aboriginal survives. This happened in the Western Hemisphere as well, but there was also a large network of trade and integration. The French, the British, and the Spanish would set up competing alliances and play the Indians off against one another. This allowed some aboriginal traditions to survive, and the rest of the world is better for it.

 

[Stanx22]

Me reading the recent discussion

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Strawmans of vaccine denial and flat earth which have nothing to do with what I said and claims that my argument is wrong because no “rigorous” or “credible” scientists agree. Unfortunate predicament that your definition of “credible” is one that appeals to your views.

Then there’s the issue of your “occams razor” obsession claiming that those who don’t share your views require stronger evidence than you require.

How embarrassing you are. Closest I’ve come to putting someone on ignore here, you’re the embodiment of every disgusting trait a Marxist can have with seemingly no self awareness. Unfortunate because you’re not a stupid person, just a cuck who only applies logic when it suits them. How much pussy and money has your virtue signaling got you?

You don't get laid because you support Trump. You get laid because you're a very good-looking man. I've seen your pics. You would fit in with star athletes and prep school kids, face-up anyway. I have not seen your body. Are you over 6 feet? Regardless, you could take up animal rights as a cause tomorrow and you'd still be getting laid more often than most people here.

As for myself, I am simply always in favor of rigorous science. Sorry to break it you that global warming is itself rigorous science, the predictions have done well, temperatures are in fact increasing at ~10-20x the historical rate, and it's all based (conceptually) on straightforward physics. This was predicted 100 years ago. You hate it because it's inconvenient, and that's your choice, mine is that we should always respect what the best data ands the best analysis concludes, even if it's inconvenient.

Pseudoscience and anti-intellectualism are a general problem in our society, of which global warming denial is just one example. Do you not like the examples I brought up? Fine, I'll bring up the one I discussed most recently. A guy I know, and his wife, are doing a "cleanse" or maple syrup, lemon juice, and cayenne pepper. I told him flat out: there's no science to the maple syrup diet. He didn't argue though, he said he's doing it to indulge his stubborn wife, so whatever. The issue is the same, we should demand science where possible.

You accuse me of being a virtue signaler, but that's incorrect. I take plenty of politically incorrect views here and elsewhere. My main research program professionally is controversial, where I disagree with some established wisdoms. I'm an environmentalist, but I'm not a vegan, as I'm convinced that humans benefit from some animal consumption. I have liked, linked, written, and discussed objections to Hillary Clinton, as well as defended Trump supporters.

 

[RegenWaiting]

Thank you for providing a positive and uniting voice in this debate.

I truly believe that the political left needs to abandon radical identity politics ASAP. It's a massive distraction from the material issues we face and it serves only to alienate the people that are needed in order to effect democratic change. To take an example, if a few thousand trans people are misgendered every day and/or can't afford their horse piss meds then that's a perfectly acceptable price to pay for me if a democratic majority gets onboard to accelerate the green shift.

Some will argue that these are not mutually exclusive but to me they pretty much are. Focusing on these idiotic mini-issues sucks a ton of energy and resources out of the movement. It also massively concentrates the energy of anti-SJW reactionaries.

I am cautiously hopeful in the long term though. Human minds are fickle and political change can happen rapidly when the surrounding forces are pushing in the right direction.

Yes! The ideal of utopia will never happen. We should defo avoid the relativization of
everything and anything in order to be able to define a ''normal'', or something which atleast resembles it.

At this course, where the pool of people alienated from ''objective reality'' grows by the day, splicing
us into indefinite fractions, will result in rendering us uncapable to see the forest for the trees.

 

[RegenWaiting]

And lest I forget, there is also another source of purpose which I wholeheartedly advocate: the chasing of sweet pussy.

Good day to all, I'm hopping off.

Do not worry, I was going to add this if you didn't.

 

[IdealForehead]

I haven't. True sexual attraction has to be there from the beginning.

Without that cornerstone, your relationship will be shaky and ultimately built on a lie.

I can tell when a woman is settling because her man his high-status or because she has no clue about what matters.

Only two days ago, I was at a fancy restaurant, and this fat middle-aged NW3.5 in a suit comes in with this gorgeous 20-something blond girl.

The guys spent all the beginning of the dinner on the phone, with her just sitting there looking bored to death.

This is always unsettling to watch for me. Even though even my girlfriend would be naive and tell me something like "you don't know, maybe she loves him!".

No she doesn't, and deep down she doesn't believe what she's saying.

So what do you suggest for the other 75% of us? I've been short and ugly my whole life and will be until I die. Any suggestions?

 

[RegenWaiting]

So what do you suggest for the other 75% of us? I've been short and ugly my whole life and will be until I die. Any suggestions?

I know you didn't quote me, but I'll take the freedom of responsing anyways.
Hope that's allright with you. It'll be just another opinion...

I think the truth has some incredible qualities from which you, like all other
who seek it and embrace it, can derive immense power, drive and purpose in life.

Therefore my suggestion is: identify the problem, find a solution if there is any. If there isn't,
focus on improving and excelling in something that you believe you have potential in (cope).

We all do it every day, some more than others. Only the bestest of the best in everything
(numero uno - God amogst humans) isn't coping.

Cheers man

 

[IdealForehead]

I know you didn't quote me, but I'll take the freedom of responsing anyways.
Hope that's allright with you. It'll be just another opinion...

I think the truth has some incredible qualities from which you, like all other
who seek it and embrace it, can derive immense power, drive and purpose in life.

Therefore my suggestion is: identify the problem, find a solution if there is any. If there isn't,
focus on improving and excelling in something that you believe you have potential in (cope).

We all do it every day, some more than others. Only the bestest of the best in everything
(numero uno - God amogst humans) isn't coping.

Cheers man

Yeah I know. I already tried this. Still miserable. I've excelled in every area except attracting woman I would like to date. The other things I've done well in have given me slight purpose. For example, if I didn't have my job to go to which I find quite enjoyable I'd probably kill myself. But that just keeps me floating.

I'm not someone who tolerates being inadequate very well. I'd like to be better and to do better. I'm a hard worker. But your looks are not a meritocracy. It's just what you're born with. You can't "work harder" to become good looking or taller in any realistic way. I've already had plenty of surgery, and there are very few safe options for further improvement I'm not already pursuing.

I can't turn off my biological drive for female affection. I can't stop being revolted by fat girls. Realistically I think I will just be miserable until I die.

 

[IdealForehead]

what the f*** are you guys talking about

What it's like not being a 6'6" SuperChad ultraslayer baldie white guy with a 100+ lay count like you.

 

[RegenWaiting]

Yeah I know. I already tried this. Still miserable. I've excelled in every area except attracting woman I would like to date. The other things I've done well in have given me slight purpose. For example, if I didn't have my job to go to which I find quite enjoyable I'd probably kill myself. But that just keeps me floating.

I'm not someone who tolerates being inadequate very well. I'd like to be better and to do better. I'm a hard worker. But your looks are not a meritocracy. It's just what you're born with. You can't "work harder" to become good looking or taller in any realistic way. I've already had plenty of surgery, and there are very few safe options for further improvement I'm not already pursuing.

I can't turn off my biological drive for female affection. I can't stop being revolted by fat girls. Realistically I think I will just be miserable until I die.

Then you have already achieved much and have values in your life for which other people
are miserable not to have. You are right about height etc, and I'm glad you have pursued
safe options in terms of maximazing aestetics.

I can't help myself but ask: Do you really not believe that your hard work and knowledge will have a
more significant role in the future as you grow older? Hygiene, career etc really have a much bigger
value as you age. And women will still be there.

Also, the biological way of life doesn't have to stop in the meantime. If you are professionally set,
surrogacy isn't an option? You can maybe have it, but you may have to be patient.

My honest thinking...

 

[IdealForehead]

Then you have already achieved much and have values in your life for which other people
are miserable not to have. You are right about height etc, and I'm glad you have pursued
safe options in terms of maximazing aestetics.

I can't help myself but ask: Do you really not believe that your hard work and knowledge will have a
more significant role in the future as you grow older? Hygiene, career etc really have a much bigger
value as you age. And women will still be there.

Also, the biological way of life doesn't have to stop in the meantime. If you are professionally set,
surrogacy isn't an option? You can maybe have it, but you may have to be patient.

My honest thinking...

I'm already in my mid 30s. Trust me - career still doesn't matter. No one cares how successful you are unless you meet the basic minimum height/face/race cutoff. Or unless the girl in question is obese and can simply not afford to be physically particular.

I don't want to have kids because I have considered my life pretty unpleasant and I don't want to inflict that on another generation, which adds to the meaninglessness I perceive in my life.

Maybe if I had cute girls to date, I would still be depressed for other reasons. I don't know. But I've been trying to accomplish that goal since I was a teenager and failing for 20+ years, and that's all I can see at this point.

Thanks for your feedback. I don't actually think there are any solutions, though I wish there were. I wish if you worked hard enough you could buy or earn a new body or new face. But it doesn't work that way.

And I do believe what @WhitePolarBear said. If a girl can't find you physically attractive you will always be in a position of weakness and instability, so it will never be all that gratifying even if you "get lucky".

Just venting like everyone else I guess. My opinion has mostly become that life is a scam.

 

[IdealForehead]

yeh i think the "superchad" legend is quite incorrect, but whatever works with the narrative!

Macaroni you have become a living legend. The legend is even bigger and more important than you now. Let it live.

 

[CaptainForehead]

I've already had plenty of surgery,

What surgery?

 

[CaptainForehead]

I'm already in my mid 30s. Trust me - career still doesn't matter. No one cares how successful you are unless you meet the basic minimum height/face/race cutoff. Or unless the girl in question is obese and can simply not afford to be physically particular.

I don't want to have kids because I have considered my life pretty unpleasant and I don't want to inflict that on another generation, which adds to the meaninglessness I perceive in my life.

Maybe if I had cute girls to date, I would still be depressed for other reasons. I don't know. But I've been trying to accomplish that goal since I was a teenager and failing for 20+ years, and that's all I can see at this point.

Thanks for your feedback. I don't actually think there are any solutions, though I wish there were. I wish if you worked hard enough you could buy or earn a new body or new face. But it doesn't work that way.

And I do believe what @WhitePolarBear said. If a girl can't find you physically attractive you will always be in a position of weakness and instability, so it will never be all that gratifying even if you "get lucky".

Just venting like everyone else I guess. My opinion has mostly become that life is a scam.

Can relate so hard to you.
Except I don't enjoy my job (so don't know how I haven't off'd myself yet).

 

[IdealForehead]

What surgery?

Triple jaw surgery. ie. BSSO, LF1, genioplasty. Also currently have scalp expander implanted for ongoing forehead reduction which I've just put on hold for a few months while my daro grows more hair.

I'd say that's more than most. I've been for years debating getting my jaws redone with SARPE + revision BSSO/LF1, followed by jawline revision in Korea. I'm leaning more and more towards doing it though the risks are considerable and I'm getting old anyway so it's kind of like "who even cares". Best case scenario I'll end up an average looking short minority in his late 30s with nice hair. Worse case scenario I will lose teeth from further gum recession, lose sensation to my left or right lower face, and/or have chronic pain from jaw dysfunction or nerve injury.

sh*t deal either way. But I hate doing nothing. And I don't think my life is that valuable to me right now anyway. That's why I don't mind experimenting with things like daro. So why not try I figure. I don't know. We'll see.

 

[CaptainForehead]

Triple jaw surgery. ie. BSSO, LF1, genioplasty. Also currently have scalp expander implanted for ongoing forehead reduction which I've just put on hold for a few months while my daro grows more hair.

I'd say that's more than most. I've been for years debating getting my jaws redone with SARPE + revision BSSO/LF1, followed by jawline revision in Korea. I'm leaning more and more towards doing it though the risks are considerable and I'm getting old anyway so it's kind of like "who even cares". Best case scenario I'll end up an average looking short minority in his late 30s with nice hair. Worse case scenario I will lose teeth from further gum recession, lose sensation to my left or right lower face, and/or have chronic pain from jaw dysfunction or nerve injury.

sh*t deal either way. But I hate doing nothing. And I don't think my life is that valuable to me right now anyway. That's why I don't mind experimenting with things like daro. So why not try I figure. I don't know. We'll see.

The first three jaw surgeries weren't enough? Aren't you now in the diminishing returns 20% bracket?

As someone who suffered chronic pain for several years, man, it really makes your life sh*t; so do weigh that in. I really wouldn't like to have that again.

Are you Asian?