My Pain Treshold Is Reaching A Dead End

[buckthorn]

How is it complete f*****g bullshit when I know some people that got good results?
Can you prove that you require systemic reduction of DHT for it to work?
Im pretty sure oral finasteride works because it reaches the scalp tissue, that's all. What does the rest of the body have to do with your f*****g scalp? Therefore, if the finasteride is applied directly on the scalp, you are doing the same thing directly, without having to gamble with the oral pill reaching the scalp.
It's my desperation that's making me consider doing oral as well. But my theory still makes sense to me.



Same sh*t I said before. If you think only lowering androgens systemically can slow male pattern baldness, then male pattern baldness has no cure and we MUST feminize ourselves to see results, which is what systemically lowering DHT means.


They make complete sense. The fact that I find some relief in the way my scalp feels when I apply my lotion, says that even if it's only for a while, it's doing something positive. I have noticed that if I spend 24 hours without applying anything, my scalp feels worse.




You are a classic coping finasteride user. "DHT means nothing". You are dumb as a brick if you really think that lowering 70% of the most potent male hormone does sh*t nothing, you are out of your mind and on deep wishful thinking.
But since hairloss is death, I understand that f*****g yourself up with the pill is still better than balding. Im just not delusional enough to think that finasteride isn't a feminizing medication.

Since im high DHT in nature, im pretty sure I will not have any devastating side effects, but going from a high DHT, high libido, low bodyfat while doing sh*t nothing, great muscle density male, to some average DHT male, it's going to suck.

I don't know man. Show me any case with before and after pics for the topical spironolactone or topical finasteride. I tried topical finasteride and so have several other users on here. In theory it seems great, I am just lacking evidence. When I say "DHT doesn't mean sh*t".. I was referring to myself. I dropped my DHT to beneath the acceptable blood levels and there was no change in anything. absolutely none. No gyno, no reduced libido. so yes, for myself, it doesn't really mean anything. My testosterone went up, my libido increased.

 

[infinitepain]

I don't know man. Show me any case with before and after pics for the topical spironolactone or topical finasteride. I tried topical finasteride and so have several other users on here. In theory it seems great, I am just lacking evidence. When I say "DHT doesn't mean sh*t".. I was referring to myself. I dropped my DHT to beneath the acceptable blood levels and there was no change in anything. absolutely none. No gyno, no reduced libido. so yes, for myself, it doesn't really mean anything. My testosterone went up, my libido increased.

I have pics of a guy but im not sharing them, you'll have to believe me or not.

Unfortunately and like I said before, it's not working for me, or not enough. It's just a small relief, but my DHT is too strong it seems, something is just not f*****g working.

For how long have you been doing oral?

I am just applying common sense here. Energy is not destroyed, it's transformed. You are removing DHT from your body, your body transforms and reacts to it. If you have no sides, it must mean that like I said before, your body is doing some sort of changes to balance things out. The problem here is, for how long can this trick work?

I don't see how, again, removing 70% of the most potent male hormone, is not going to have any sides sooner or after. Just common f*****g sense here.

Did you have the classic "watery semen" side?

 

[hellouser]

Cope. See you in 5 years to confirm that we are indeed still stuck with finasteride, minoxidil and the RU if you want to add in in the equation.

How is that coping?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Topical finasteride probably works the same as regular finasteride.

 

[buckthorn]

I have pics of a guy but im not sharing them, you'll have to believe me or not.

Unfortunately and like I said before, it's not working for me, or not enough. It's just a small relief, but my DHT is too strong it seems, something is just not f*****g working.

For how long have you been doing oral?

I am just applying common sense here. Energy is not destroyed, it's transformed. You are removing DHT from your body, your body transforms and reacts to it. If you have no sides, it must mean that like I said before, your body is doing some sort of changes to balance things out. The problem here is, for how long can this trick work?

I don't see how, again, removing 70% of the most potent male hormone, is not going to have any sides sooner or after. Just common f*****g sense here.

Did you have the classic "watery semen" side?

I was on finasteride for one year. I DID actually get watery semen. The first month my erections were a little softer and after that, they got even harder while my libido increased.

You're right. IF the finasteride is being absorbed into the dermis and reaching the follicle, it should theoretically work. the problem with people like us is upregulation of ARs. 30% is not much DHT remaining, but when it has a million more receptors to bind to, your equally as f*cked, if not even more.

The solution to this? RU. In theory at least. I am attempting RU and dutasteride (orally) right now in a last effort / experiment to see if this MOST POTENT combination will even work.

EVERY ONE says - it's impossible to lose hair on dutasteride and...
EVERY ONE says - RU will bind to and block androgen activity at 70% of the receptors.

Well, if I don't maintain the sh*T hair I have left, or regrow what i've lost in the past year, then why would I ever believe any of this bullsh*t?

Is my body THAT strong in fighting these medications, that I am in the ".1%" or whatever the f*ck people say?

I doubt it. that's why I take all these statistics and studies with a grain of salt. I have worked in labs and I have been in the world of molecular biology. and personally, no... I NEVER take any medication with complete trust for the FDA. never.

You just have to keep trying things and see what works.

Are you considering adding RU? imo, it's worth a shot. in combination with topical finasteride, it may work.

 

[shookwun]

How is it complete f*****g bullshit when I know some people that got good results?
Can you prove that you require systemic reduction of DHT for it to work?
Im pretty sure oral finasteride works because it reaches the scalp tissue, that's all. What does the rest of the body have to do with your f*****g scalp? Therefore, if the finasteride is applied directly on the scalp, you are doing the same thing directly, without having to gamble with the oral pill reaching the scalp.
It's my desperation that's making me consider doing oral as well. But my theory still makes sense to me.



Same sh*t I said before. If you think only lowering androgens systemically can slow male pattern baldness, then male pattern baldness has no cure and we MUST feminize ourselves to see results, which is what systemically lowering DHT means.


They make complete sense. The fact that I find some relief in the way my scalp feels when I apply my lotion, says that even if it's only for a while, it's doing something positive. I have noticed that if I spend 24 hours without applying anything, my scalp feels worse.




You are a classic coping finasteride user. "DHT means nothing". You are dumb as a brick if you really think that lowering 70% of the most potent male hormone does sh*t nothing, you are out of your mind and on deep wishful thinking.
But since hairloss is death, I understand that f*****g yourself up with the pill is still better than balding. Im just not delusional enough to think that finasteride isn't a feminizing medication.

Since im high DHT in nature, im pretty sure I will not have any devastating side effects, but going from a high DHT, high libido, low bodyfat while doing sh*t nothing, great muscle density male, to some average DHT male, it's going to suck.

Dht plays almost no role in erections, quality and strength. Its all tesosterone related. Go read some studies on tesosterone and it's role with erections, and libido. Muscle density? What lol

That would be relative to how low your body fat is and how much muscle yoy carry. Dht has nothing to do with how low yout body fat is. Muscle is entirely based on tesosterone. In fact there are almost no dht receptors in skeletal tissue. If you're bloofy and feel soft then chances are you are more fat think you think

 

[buckthorn]

Dht plays almost no role in erections, quality and strength. Its all tesosterone related. Go read some studies on tesosterone and it's role with erections, and libido. Muscle density? What lol

That would be relative to how low your body fat is and how much muscle yoy carry. Dht has nothing to do with how low yout body fat is. Muscle is entirely based on tesosterone. In fact there are almost no dht receptors in skeletal tissue. If you're bloofy and feel soft then chances are you are more fat think you think

when I was on finasteride, my DHT was rock bottom and my T was super high. I could work out for hours. I also experienced aggression and mood swings. So far, on dutasteride for a little over a week - same thing. I started lifting weights recently and I was benching like 185 seven times, no problem. I am pretty strong, but I was suprised I could do this. I just couldn't quit.

 

[dralex]

My scalp itches and my hair falls. The topical finasteride I have been using for a long time does not work, I've been using it along with minoxidil, and even managed to get some topical spironolactone. Soon I will add in RU a couple days a week, which I predict will do sh*t nothing.

Then the last resort: Killing the most potent male hormone by adding in oral finasteride. My high DHT is what's keeping me low bodyfat, even tho I barely exercise beyond walking. Im skinny, but my muscle density is great. That, im sure, it's due my systemic high DHT.

I may be one of those cases that requires the systemic DHT to be lowered, which means im fucked. I need to FEMINIZE myself with a drug to HOPE that my hair stops falling as fast and hopefully my scalp itch stops as well. What a joke of a life. Definitely a proof that god does not exist or that he is a troll, by making you choose between the mere hope of slowing down hairloss or being in shape with an high libido and huge hardons which im sure will diminish as soon as my DHT starts getting fucked by the drug.

I just can't win.

Lol high DHT is not responsible for you having low bodyfat or being muscular. You can thank testosterone for that one. Finasteride can actually increase testosterone levels because less testosterone is being converted into DHT. I am 22 and have been on finasteride for over 2 years and it has definitely not affected my muscles negatively. My lifts have continued to rise since starting finasteride. Finasteride hasn't stopped my hair loss, but it definitely has not stopped my gains either. My bench press was around 265lbs when I started finasteride, and its around 315lbs now. Pull ups have gone up from like 20 to 30. Squat is up from like 225lbsx10 to 275lbsx10. If finasteride had worked and stopped my hair loss, my lifts would definitely be even higher because I wouldn't be so depressed and self conscious about my hair loss.

 

[tellersquill]

I found it easier to gain body fat while on finasteride - I have no idea why.

 

[Dench57]

Funny seeing guys thinking because DHT has higher affinity for AR that it's the most important male hormone. Pretty much a trash hormone for the vast majority. Read your studies boys. Testosterone is what makes a man. Take some spironolactone instead of finasteride and see how that works out for you. Must be OK cos DHT is more androgenic right? Biochemistry not even once.

 

[buckthorn]

Funny seeing guys thinking because DHT has higher affinity for AR that it's the most important male hormone. Pretty much a trash hormone for the vast majority. Read your studies boys. Testosterone is what makes a man. Take some spironolactone instead of finasteride and see how that works out for you. Must be OK cos DHT is more androgenic right? Biochemistry not even once.

your "regimen" is funny brah, but are you using dutasteride? you said it yourself, dutasteride up or shut up. seriously though, any luck with it?

 

[dralex]

your "regimen" is funny brah, but are you using dutasteride? you said it yourself, dutasteride up or shut up. seriously though, any luck with it?

Have you personally noticed a difference between finasteride and duasteride in regards to results? Also any side effects or abnormalities when switching?

 

[buckthorn]

Have you personally noticed a difference between finasteride and duasteride in regards to results? Also any side effects or abnormalities when switching?

I have only been on dutasteride for a little over a week. I will definitely keep you updated. No sides so far.

 

[shookwun]

Funny seeing guys thinking because DHT has higher affinity for AR that it's the most important male hormone. Pretty much a trash hormone for the vast majority. Read your studies boys. Testosterone is what makes a man. Take some spironolactone instead of finasteride and see how that works out for you. Must be OK cos DHT is more androgenic right? Biochemistry not even once.

Lol this. I read countless studies on tesosterone on muscularuty, erections snd libido.

All tesosterone related with little to effect from dht


Yes. I digged around trying my hardest to look for relevance in dht snd found nothing.

 

[Swoop]

DHT doesn't really function a role in muscle hypertrophy at all. 3a-HSD is abundant in muscle tissue and this metabolizes DHT to a very weak androgen, making it pretty much useless there.

There is also this study; http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1105045

Conclusion: Changes in fat-free mass in response to graded testosterone doses did not differ in men in whom DHT was suppressed by dutasteride from those treated with placebo, indicating that conversion of testosterone to DHT is not essential for mediating its anabolic effects on muscle.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Given the preponderance of PFS it's very clear that DHT is involved in erections.

 

[hairblues]

I was on finasteride for one year. I DID actually get watery semen. The first month my erections were a little softer and after that, they got even harder while my libido increased.

You're right. IF the finasteride is being absorbed into the dermis and reaching the follicle, it should theoretically work. the problem with people like us is upregulation of ARs. 30% is not much DHT remaining, but when it has a million more receptors to bind to, your equally as f*cked, if not even more.

The solution to this? RU. In theory at least. I am attempting RU and dutasteride (orally) right now in a last effort / experiment to see if this MOST POTENT combination will even work.

EVERY ONE says - it's impossible to lose hair on dutasteride and...
EVERY ONE says - RU will bind to and block androgen activity at 70% of the receptors.

Well, if I don't maintain the sh*T hair I have left, or regrow what i've lost in the past year, then why would I ever believe any of this bullsh*t?

Is my body THAT strong in fighting these medications, that I am in the ".1%" or whatever the f*ck people say?

I doubt it. that's why I take all these statistics and studies with a grain of salt. I have worked in labs and I have been in the world of molecular biology. and personally, no... I NEVER take any medication with complete trust for the FDA. never.

You just have to keep trying things and see what works.

Are you considering adding RU? imo, it's worth a shot. in combination with topical finasteride, it may work.

Are RU and dutasteride bad for women?

 

[kj6723]

Lol at OP lashing out angrily at everyone offering a counter argument

His mind is clearly made up. Take finasteride and you will morph into a female

 

[infinitepain]

I was on finasteride for one year. I DID actually get watery semen. The first month my erections were a little softer and after that, they got even harder while my libido increased.

You're right. IF the finasteride is being absorbed into the dermis and reaching the follicle, it should theoretically work. the problem with people like us is upregulation of ARs. 30% is not much DHT remaining, but when it has a million more receptors to bind to, your equally as f*cked, if not even more.

The solution to this? RU. In theory at least. I am attempting RU and dutasteride (orally) right now in a last effort / experiment to see if this MOST POTENT combination will even work.

EVERY ONE says - it's impossible to lose hair on dutasteride and...
EVERY ONE says - RU will bind to and block androgen activity at 70% of the receptors.

Well, if I don't maintain the sh*T hair I have left, or regrow what i've lost in the past year, then why would I ever believe any of this bullsh*t?

Is my body THAT strong in fighting these medications, that I am in the ".1%" or whatever the f*ck people say?

I doubt it. that's why I take all these statistics and studies with a grain of salt. I have worked in labs and I have been in the world of molecular biology. and personally, no... I NEVER take any medication with complete trust for the FDA. never.

You just have to keep trying things and see what works.

Are you considering adding RU? imo, it's worth a shot. in combination with topical finasteride, it may work.

I remember reading somewhere that if "just go mad and add dutasteride and RU daily" may be a wrong idea.
Both agonizing the receptors and the enzyme may sound good but is it viable long term? I've heard that this may create a backslash of hypersensitivity which results in balding even harder.

Im going to try RU a couple of times a week and see what happens, but again, if the base treatment (finasteride + minoxidil) does not work, it probably means im fucked.

 

[infinitepain]

I found it easier to gain body fat while on finasteride - I have no idea why.

It's pretty f*****g easy. DHT is masculine hormone, estrogens are sh*t for males. finasteride raises estrogen and lowers DHT = you are fucked.