Need some advice with my regimen.

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Wow.

I remember when forums like HairlossTalk had fair idea exchanges without the insults and innuendos. Agree-to-disagree. But "get the hell off these forums?"

Are you kidding me.

First of all, Bryan has been on these forums a long time and is an educated poster. Second of all, I have been on a regimen for at least 10+ years, and I am now for the first time....considering Dr. Peter Proctor's Proxiphen for my hairline. I know why I haven't utilized it until now. It's NOT because he won't release the ingredients (he has a patent, he doesn't have to nor be motivated to do so). It's NOT because I think it's a worthless product. It's because finasteride (generic or script) is so cheap! minoxidil is ridiculously cheap! And even topical spironolactone is cheap! I believe that MOST people on this forum and the other one to which I belong don't honestly KNOW whether proxiphen (not Prox-N) works is because they have never tried it for a solid year.

Most of us want this hairloss thing fixed fast. Transplant, MHT, Min-finasteride-nizoral. Ru. We don't want to mess around with committing to a protocol that costs an arm and a leg AND requires compliance for anything longer than our fast-food, microwave, cell phone mentality

I've mostly maintained with the Big Three. But my continual loss in the frontal region is cause for me to be a little creative. I might try (as did a poster on another forum) to use Proxiphen sparingly on the hairline only, and squeeze a few months out of it. I think I could afford that. At least for a year.

But "get the hell out of here" because I disagree with you?

That is ridiculous. Agree to disagree, but take the football aggression and place it on a shelf. Please. Of all people to get intense with...Bryan?!

He's intelligent and thoughtful. Let's see some science behind the anger. Try Prox for a year, THEN be critical....

Just my 2 cents. I'm going to at least admit that I DON'T KNOW when it comes to prox, because....I'VE NEVER TRIED IT FOR A FULL YEAR.
 

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Thanks for the response, Sunhead! What really surprises me is when people who don't know any better try to "second-guess" what a doctor says, and say nasty, rude things about a treatment that he's been working for decades to perfect.
 

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It's easy to "second-guess" what Dr Proctors says..when he lies about a comprehensive 3 year study on the product- did that from day 1 it seems. When he makes up claims that he cannot back up- including what it's capable of doing- THAT should be your "evidence", HE should prove it- not ppl here wasting their money on it and trying it for a year- HE has had 20 years to prove it, even set up a trial with ppl in these forums. When he talks about "mysterious ingredients" that are not on the label(it has nothing to do with patents). And a # of other issues you can see in this thread: http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=72201

Working decades to perfect? :uglylol:

So while I'm not the one saying "get the hell out of here", I and others are asking for their to be consistency in these forums. Anyone else would have been at least asked to stop pushing the product, 15+ years ago.
 

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Look guys, I am all for online arguments, they make things more interesting, but is there anyone here at all who might have any advice regarding my regimen? I am still putting it together and am pretty much new to this whole hair loss solutions thing.
 

Jacob

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Well you could join me in trying out that Europharma hair product I'm still waiting for Iherb to carry :/ I only say that because you mentioned taking biotin- you'd might as well take something with other goodies in it. There's also Maxi-Hair..although I'm not crazy about it being time-released. Plenty of other combos out there.

Most are going to tell you to just use the "proven"..minoxidil..finasteride/dutasteride..and even nizoral. Many of use do not use those products..and I don't know about the others, but I'm not crazy about telling ppl to use this or try that(which is another reason I guess the above issue is irritating to me) when nothing seems to be working miracles for most. Maybe it was for someone else..but I thought I recently listed a # of newer things that are out there these days.
 

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Originally posted by Sunhead

That is ridiculous. Agree to disagree, but take the football aggression and place it on a shelf. Please. Of all people to get intense with...Bryan?!

He's intelligent and thoughtful. Let's see some science behind the anger. Try Prox for a year, THEN be critical....

It's amazing despite Bryan being a :spam:er of snake oils he still get support. As they say there's one born every day. :shakehead:
 

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Serious question: Have there been many/any people on here with stories of their long term use with Dr. Proctors products? I've never actually searched it and all you see is Bryan pushing it, but yet no one ever claims to have used them.
 

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majorsixth said:
Originally posted by Sunhead

That is ridiculous. Agree to disagree, but take the football aggression and place it on a shelf. Please. Of all people to get intense with...Bryan?!

He's intelligent and thoughtful. Let's see some science behind the anger. Try Prox for a year, THEN be critical....

It's amazing despite Bryan being a :spam:er of snake oils he still get support. As they say there's one born every day. :shakehead:

And the few that did jump in are not responding to what he's been doing...or are refuting/defending what has been pointed out about Proctor and his snake-oil'n.

Boomer..that's been the main excuse- that no one(or hardly anyone) has used it long-term because of the price. Nonsense. Even way back in 1986 Proctor had a before/after picture that showed tons of regrowth after 6 months. A person would notice regrowth quite easily w/in a month if having those kinds of results. All these years since(and again..he could have done his own "trial" in these forums) with ppl getting those kinds of results- they'd think the product is cheap these days, compared to some other things out there. Lately there have been 2 ppl(that I can see, after looking in various forums) using Prox..along the hairline..and they're both using tons of other things along with Prox.
 

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How is some Doctor back in 1986 who posts before/after pics that are impossible and ridiculous and then tries to sell the product by claiming there was a comprehensive 3 year study(that never happened) on the crap- debatable? And that was just the beginning! :shock:

Bryan knows the same stuff he's been arguing about for the past 15+ years. I have yet to see him get into the discussions about these newer discoveries and even experimental things ppl are trying- unless it's to question it and ask for evidence.
 

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Boomer01 said:
Serious question: Have there been many/any people on here with stories of their long term use with Dr. Proctors products? I've never actually searched it and all you see is Bryan pushing it, but yet no one ever claims to have used them.

Recently (just the last two or three days or so), I said something about how maybe it's time to post the list of RAVE reviews again, for Dr. Proctor's products. Didn't you see me say that?? :dunno: It was a set of 12 different guys from alt.baldspot who had written about Proxiphen in glowing terms! Jacob already read it the very first time I posted it, which was probably two or three years ago, maybe longer. Altogether, I've posted it maybe two or three different times. If you don't even know what I'm talking about, I guess it's time that I post it again! :)

Jacob is very embarrassed by that list, because it puts the obvious lie to what he says about nobody ever having gotten anything from Dr. Proctor's products, and that they're supposedly "snake oil". Wanna see the list? I don't have it right at hand, but I can get it if you want to see it. Give me a little time to find it again...
 

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Bryan...I'm being serious here. You really need to have your head examined. When you mentioned this w/in the past week, I responded to it. Not only was I/am I not "embarrassed by that list"....I found it hilarious and pointed out the fact that you have to go back that far to find a list like that..asked what happened to those guys after they posted those..etc etc. I did that the first time, the times after that, and I'll do it again. Maybe I'll even dig up the other times you brought this up- then maybe you'll actually go see a REAL Doctor.

The only lies are those coming from Proctor..and yourself.
 

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Jacob said:
Bryan...I'm being serious here. You really need to have your head examined. When you mentioned this w/in the past week, I responded to it. Not only was I/am I not "embarrassed by that list"....I found it hilarious and pointed out the fact that you have to go back that far to find a list like that..asked what happened to those guys after they posted those..etc etc. I did that the first time, the times after that, and I'll do it again. Maybe I'll even dig up the other times you brought this up- then maybe you'll actually go see a REAL Doctor.

The only lies are those coming from Proctor..and yourself.

Okay, I'll post the list again, and you can try to convince everybody again that you're not embarrassed by it! :mrgreen:
 

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Well you've already convinced everybody you're going senile. Good grief :shakehead:
 

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Let's see how "senile" everybody thinks I am, after they see the list! :)
 

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Weird coincidence, I've noticed a lot of snakeoil sites feature phoney testimonials too.

But I'm sure yours are the real deal Bryan. :whistle:
 

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hairhoper..that's what I was hinting at a bit in my responses to him on his "list".

Bryan still doesn't realize he's posted the list before and each time I've responded to it..and yet now thinks if he posts it again...he's not senile. There are supplements one can try for memory problems.....
 

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Oh for the love of Pete. He can't even find them. Here..I'm so embarrassed I'll post them myself :shakehead:

From: KCOBURN
(dcdrummer@hotmail.com)
Subject: Proxiphen good for hairline
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
Date: 2002-02-04 06:33:41 PST

I used to use dr. p's proxiphen (px strength) on my hairline with minoxidil. Id apply minoxidil, wait 20 minutes and dab proxiphen on it. Proxiphen would last me about 3 months. I stopped using it because it grew too much hair and I had to shave an even line. I am a good responded to treatments so take what i am saying with a grain of salt but I am going back on it because it kept my hairline thick and definitely grew nonvellous and intermediate hairs for me. I do recommend it and no i dont work for Dr. P. If nothing else apply it at your hairlne and back so it wont recede anymore, and consider any growth a bonus, a bonus you could very well get.


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From: Chuck
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Subject: Re: Proxiphen good for hairline
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
Date: 2002-02-06 12:30:54 PST

I've had very good results with Dr. P's Formulas and have posted this before. I will post specifically about this when I have a little more time. Believe it or not, I think Dr. P's shampoo is a gift from God. I have 3 separate experiences of using it. Each time, it worked. Two of these experiences were with the shampoo alone. My most recent is nano mixed with Propecia, Nizoral, and Dp. P's Advanced Regrowth Formula from lef.org. After a month or so off of the shampoo, I am losing gobbs of hair in the drain. I will explain in more detail later.


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From: Todd Tomlinson
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Subject: Re: *Proxiphen Users Please Read*
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
Date: 1998/01/10

I'm 40, have been balding since 20 and started on Proxiphen and Nano shampoo in October 96. I had lost 80-90% of the hair on top of my head with a little bit left at the front. With Proxiphen and Nano I saw pretty amazing results after 3-4 months (tons of short, thin, colorless hairs).
{snip}
Also, I know that people complain about $100/month for Proxiphen and that the ingredients may not add up to $100/month. For me it's an investment -- and research costs money. I would rather pay $100/month to Dr. P for Proxiphen, knowing that he's leading the way for new treatments... maybe $60 of my $100 will fuel the research that sparks something new that benefits all of us...


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From: calvin burnes (cburnes@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: my experience w/ proxiphen and nano shampoo
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
Date: 1997/03/25

hello,

there have been some people on this newsgroup who have asked for success stories of people using proxiphen. so i thought i would share my experience with the formula.

i selected proxiphen for a couple of reasons. the most important reason is that i don't like having to put topical solutions on my scalp 2x/day. in the past, i have used rogaine, and my main complaint is that you have to apply it twice a day. i hate this, because i am a very active person, and i usually do at least 2 activities/day that makes me sweat (biking, running, etc). the makers of rogaine suggest that you wash off the solution if you are going to sweat. i assume this is to avoid getting the solution into the mucous membranes (eyes, nose, etc). and in fact, when i sweat when i have rogaine on, it gets in my eyes, and stings. and i am lazy, i don't want to have to shower several times/day to make sure that the solution is removed before engaging in activities which cause me to sweat. i also hate the idea of having a topical solution on my head most of the time. and i have a real life to live, so i don't want to spend a lot of time attending to my hair. so i really like that proxiphen is only applied 1x/day. i apply it at night right before i go to bed, and i wash it off first thing when i shower in the morning.

the other reason i leaned towards proxiphen is the idea of tolerence. i am not a scientist, so i don't know how much validity this theory has, but it does make sense to me. i worry that rogaine will eventually lose its effectiveness over time. dr P's theory is that proxiphen has an advantage over rogaine in that because it contains a wider variety of agents, one is less likely to develop tolerance to it.

the big question i had was would it work for me.

so i started using proxiphen/nano shampoo 6 months ago. i am 31 years of age. my hairbegan thinning at 27, and has thinned substantially over the last 18 months. it is also receding. no bald spots as of yet, but the thinning was getting embarrasing. i started to see results with proxiphen after 4.5 months. i noticed small, very blond hairs beginning to sprout along the edge of my hairline. i believe that these hairs are sprouting throughout my scalp, but they are only visible at the edges of the hairline (because they blend in with the rest of my hair). i also noticed that my hair seemed generally thicker. since then , my hair has continued to thicken. i would say that overall, my hair volume appears to be 10-20% thicker on the top of my head compared to when i began the treatment. nothing huge, but enough to make a difference in my mind. another added benefit is that the hair on the top of my hair now grows longer in length. before starting the treatment, i could not get the hair of the top of my head to grow very long. now i am going to have to start having it trimmed again. i also seem to shed less hair (decrease in hair fallout rate), and the hair line seems to be moving forward a bit with these small, blond hairs (i guess these a vellous hairs).

overall, i am happy with proxiphen/nano. the application requires minimal inconvenience, the side effects are none (provided i don't overdue the amount i put on each night: if i put too much on, sometimes my eyes sting), and the results are good. the product has met my expectations (and perhaps surpassed them). i plan to continue to use the product. since i am such a lazy slob, i look forward to reducing the application from 1x/day to once every other day in a few months. yes, the product is expensive, but i am fortunate to have the financial resources to pay for it and for me it is quite worth the money.

i may add internal proscar to my regime, to get more results and to decrease my dependency on any one single formula. but i am not yet decided on this point.

one thing i want to add: this newsgroup has been a great source of info for me. there are lots of great contributors here! thanx for all of your help. wishing you all thick and volumous heads of hair.


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From: John Ertel (ertel@xstar.com)
Subject: Re: Proxiphen feedback
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
Date: 1996/09/13

I'm still having good results on the frontal hair line with proxiphen... as far as concerns, I haven't had any side effects nor has anybody else I know of... your only concern would be whether you want to spend that much However, if you're ONLY treating the front hairline, one months treatment of proxiphen should last 2-4 months (depending on how much you use), making it only $25-50/mo. For me it didn't take much prox to get things started so you could probably easily stretch it out to a 4 month supply... however according to Dr. P and most people I've seen I may be the exception rather than the rule since for most people apparently it works better in back than in front. Like I said in a previous post though... you will be probably be able to tell within 4 months whether or not you will get any results at the hairline (my hairs started sprouting at 2 months) so why not spend the $100 for a 4 month supply... I believe dr. p offers a money back guarantee on the unused portion tho I don't know if this is only for nano/prox-n or for proxiphen too... i'm sure he'll pop in and say


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From: SForsgren
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Subject: Re: Dr. Proctor's Proxiphen ---
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
Date: 1996/07/08

Scott here.

I'll only comment on my personal experience. I've used his stuff for 2 1/2 years. Let me ask this, "If it didn't work, why in the world would I waste the time using NANO everyday and Proxiphen, etc. twice a day?" It certainly doesn't benefit me any if it doesn't grow hair.

In the 2 1/2 years, my loss has slowed and probably almost stopped. I still have a few areas that I am working on, and I can tell you that his stuff is getting better and better. In just the last 2 years, I can really tell that the more recent Prox is more effective than what I tried 2 years ago.


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From: Mark D. (Gps@Gps.com)
Subject: Re: Is Dr. P's Proxiphen-N
worth a shot?
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Date: 2004-08-12 07:41:16 PST

"SzaszFan" wrote in message
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> So overall the Prox has been beneficial for you?

Sure! (See my other message elsewhere).

I think Proctor shoots good pool...!


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From: Will Brink
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Subject: Re: Revivogen or Proxiphen
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
Date: 2000/06/02

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Prxiphen is the Rolls Royce of products in my view. If that does not grow hair on your head, nothing will at this point.


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From: Omar Muhammad Javaid
(omarj@ren.us.itd.umich.edu)
Subject: Re: Proxiphen
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
Date: 1996/02/14

John Janssen (johnjans@usa.pipeline.com) wrote:
: ScottF is a broken record with his accolades about Proctor's goop. Just
: get as
: much info as you can from as many different sources as possible before
: you plunk down your hard earned bux. Good Luck.

Then I must be a broken record too--but in my case I have a science background as well. I've done the research--medline searches(yes, I've read the articles as well) and quite a few experiments on myself with a number of different "treatments." Nearly all of them were crap--except for Dr. Proctor's stuff.


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From: J. Patrick Sweeney
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Subject: Re: Proxiphen
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
Date: 1998/09/10

I have had good results. initially I used it daily, then went to every other day or "maintenance mode"


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From: Cliff Thompson
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Subject: Re: Proxiphen
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
Date: 1998/09/12

Just been using it just over two months along woth nano shampoo and conditioner. My results are good. I have small hair growth front and back and any new loss has stopped. Am not using anything else new so i am sure this is what is working for me. Cheers.


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From: MR ED10000
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Subject: Proxiphen...My observation
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
Date: 1996/03/10

OK, I have been very weary of posting this for a while because it seems that everytime someone posts something positive about Proxiphen they are called an agent for Dr Proctor, or at least something to that effect. I have been using Proxiphen for 10 months now and I must say the results are very good. I have used Rogaine (1 year) = retin a (6 months.) I did see minimal success but none of which was satisfactory for me. The recession (sp) continued with Rogaine and was slower with the added Retin-a. However, I could say now, without a doubt that Proxiphen, especially when used with NANO Shampoo is the best treatment available today. No, it is not a wonder drug and Dr. Proctor is fully aware of that, but until we do have a wonder drug I will continue to use this treatment.
 

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As you can see..they are OLD. Will Brink? :laugh: Besides what I've posted about him and Prox lately...I noticed, like all the others in that list..he/they never updated things or talk(ed) about using it anymore. Or as hairhoper was saying....
 

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I don't have the time right now..but it'd be fun to look up all those that did not speak favorably about Prox etc. Here's an example:

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Used it for 13-14 months everday...Did not stop hair loss, nor did it grow any NEW hair.. I can say that it made my transplants help grow in full at only 4 months, which is pretty much unheard of.... Would probably try plain old minoxidil and propecia before i would tell someone to spend the cash on Proxiphen.... Dont think its worth price, although its only my opinion... I would reccomend the big 3 >Propecia, minoxidil, and nizoral first and see how that goes...> Its cheaper



There's a long-termer for you :woot:


Someone in that same thread responded with:

[quote:jvo4vcnp]Tom Omasta is a person that has been posting here for a long time. He has a much more recent experience than any of the examples Bryan lists. He says he used Proxiphen very recently, for over a year, and it did nothing. I weigh this more heavily than these old posts Bryan has dug up, because I am familar with this poster, he is current, and he seems to be a straight shooter. The majority of Bryan's examples are almost 10 years old and not available for comment. I would prefer it if they were more current
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Bryan's excuse?:

There WOULD be newer testimonials, but alt.baldspot has been hijacked for the last several years by Ernie and the people who bash him. There is almost no serious discussion of hairloss anymore on that newsgroup.

There WOULD be because he just knows...because...??- maybe what hairhoper was alluding to? :shock:

And in the same thread..one more testimonial:
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Tried it for a year, Proxiphen is overpriced - underdelivered.
 
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