New Article on Shiseido Trial

[hellouser]

I definitely understand that. But if the actual process is not costing them much money and time, then that is smart business. They are opening up their market to everyone and will still make a killing. Also, perhaps it's not all about making billions and they are taking a more ethical approach to business, which is rare, but still possible. Who knows really? Either way, this is positive news.

Could be that repeat injections are required later on, thus repeat business. But the flight to Japan and hotels will bring up costs by a LOT, so they're going to HAVE TO take that into consideration.

 

[Tracksterderm]

I definitely understand that. But if the actual process is not costing them much money and time, then that is smart business. They are opening up their market to everyone and will still make a killing. Also, perhaps it's not all about making billions and they are taking a more ethical approach to business, which is rare, but still possible. Who knows really? Either way, this is positive news.

The tourism alone could be alone worth alot to them. But the price is very much unknown, specially since nobody knows what the outcome of the trials is.

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The actual terminal hair counts for Histogen's trial seemed very impressive. I'm surprised people fixate on the pictures when the relevant, objective info is there.

100% agree

 

[sirap]

have they published any pictures or results of the effectiveness as of yet?

 

[Mach]

have they published any pictures or results of the effectiveness as of yet?

+1 will this even work?

 

[Dus]

Kerastem then Histogen then Replicel :wow:

 

[hellouser]

Kerastem then Histogen then Replicel :wow:

I'd do kerastem first, a sort of 'foundation' then add the DSC cells and then add Histogen's HSC as a final boost.

 

[nameless]

Well with a price like this, we have to assume that they developed a cost efficient multi-pass method to culture cells that retain trichogenicity and gene expression. If that is the case, I don't see a reason why they wouldn't be able to offer the treatment at a such a low price. I wouldn't hinge all your expectations solely on the price of the treatment. The problem is that they've been tighted lipped on their culturing method as far as I know.

Where in the name of Fort Sam Hill do you see evidence that they've completely solved the trichogenicity and gene expression problem with multi-pass culture? I do not see hard evidence to that effect.

 

[hellouser]

Where in the name of Fort Sam Hill do you see evidence that they've solved the trichogenicity and gene expression problem with multi-pass culture. I do not see hard evidence to that effect.

There was an article posted somewhere around lately... can't find it. but its there.

 

[Pray The Bald Away]

Where in the name of Fort Sam Hill do you see evidence that they've completely solved the trichogenicity and gene expression problem with multi-pass culture? I do not see hard evidence to that effect.

How can they have a price if they don't even have their method or treatment determined?

 

[Pavi]

The price is not really concerning. To me, this says this will be a repeat procedure. Also, they understand they will always have balding men and by keeping the price reasonable they will attract way more men. I'm not sure why they're talking about pricing if they don't even know its effectiveness though

 

[g.i joey]

The way this data is presented in the article shows confidence in the product... hopefully they really come through with this. Us forum members should take a group trip and get the procedure done

 

[hellouser]

The way this data is presented in the article shows confidence in the product... hopefully they really come through with this. Us forum members should take a group trip and get the procedure done

I'll raise the stakes; have us be part of the clinical trials.

 

[g.i joey]

Dude I'd be so down. I'm in mtl you're in toronto. If you could get us in I'd hands down join you

 

[Toddskii]

I'm in, Alberta canada

 

[hellouser]

Where in the name of Fort Sam Hill do you see evidence that they've completely solved the trichogenicity and gene expression problem with multi-pass culture? I do not see hard evidence to that effect.

I believe it was this article:

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsami.6b00202

 

[nameless]

I believe it was this article:

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsami.6b00202

This is a Chinese group, not Shiseido. And this article doesn't specifically state that even the Chinese group has completely conquered the loss of genetic-expression and trichogenicity in multi-pass culture, although it sounds like they've made advances beyond Jahoda's results. I agree that it appears that the Chinese may be onto something but that doesn't mean that Shiseido will get to use the Chinese technology. But I guess you're saying that if the Chinese have found a way to improve on Jahoda's results then maybe Shiseodo has too, right?

I sure wish Shiseido would be more open about what it has. I sure hope they've made some trichogenicity and genetic expression improvements beyond Jahoda's results or else they will end up being another Aderans. It just depends on what they've got, and they aren't publicizing what they've got.

 

[maomao]

So that article says the treatment will reactivate the cells that grow hair, meaning it doesn't grow new follicles?

So in the case of a failed hair transplant where the original follicles are transected, this wouldn't help?

 

[Tracksterderm]

So that article says the treatment will reactivate the cells that grow hair, meaning it doesn't grow new follicles?

So in the case of a failed hair transplant where the original follicles are transected, this wouldn't help?

In the article they actually say neogenesis:

...but also confer these microtissues an enhanced ability to induce hair-follicle (HF) neogenesis in vivo...

 

[sunchaser]

I'd do kerastem first, a sort of 'foundation' then add the DSC cells and then add Histogen's HSC as a final boost.

Kerastem -> $6000 (*) -> lasts 2 years (*), do we even know if this works (do the injected fat cells stay in place?)

Also - if you combine all these treatments , aren't you in some way jeopardising the outcome ?

(*) not sure about the 2 years statement and the pricing - read it somewhere on another forum.

 

[Bad_Wolve]

Kerastem -> $6000 (*) -> lasts 2 years (*), do we even know if this works (do the injected fat cells stay in place?)

Also - if you combine all these treatments , aren't you in some way jeopardising the outcome ?

(*) not sure about the 2 years statement and the pricing - read it somewhere on another forum.

nobody knows how long kerastem lasts, don´t make such needless satements