New Dermaroller Study; Thoughts, comments?

[CursedMen]

Did you start out with little blood?

 

[squeegee]

Did you start out with little blood?

yes, then angiogenesis will kick in..blood will show up.. a pass without blood is not a legit pass. blood bring the change .

 

[saintsfan92344]

Hi, Stewart

My name is Oswald Fandango............... Bye

^ as you can see i was about to ignore you for being too much of an idiot (just like I did to PussBush) but I couldn't help it lol. THIS WHOLE 92% SUCCESS RATE "CRAP" was said in front of a judge you imbecile. It is legit.

All of his patients died? Please provide me with some proof aside from a quackwatch.org link of these claims you make lol... I'll be waiting

Here's my proof against YOUR "quack" doctors and the "quack" medicine you and your Gofer assistant saintsfan (sucky team lol) loooove so much =] Enjoy.

http://www.alternet.org/story/14731...iption_drugs,_while_pharma_companies_get_rich

And just to be an a**

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...number-one-cause-preventable-death-in-us.aspx

Idiots like you will never realize that the mass media and sites like quackwatch.org/com go crazy & over exaggerate on a single digit number of deaths induced by "alternative meds" and as a result of these low number of deaths they go & bash the doctors and the whole practice... Butttt where are the news reports on these stats and why aren't the doctors that precribed these meds that kill innocent people who take them as prescribed jailed? They report about stuff like that just as much as they update us on how bad Fukushima is doing lol (NEVER

When will idiots like you understand that it's all about profit? Lol ********* locks people out of their forum for touting natural cures and saying stuff like "hair transplants don't work" and you still don't understand the fact that no profit= no business? They will bash whatever they have to to stay in business.

http://subversivethinking.blogspot.com/2008/12/skeptic-stephen-barret-of-quackwatchorg.html?m=1 <=== way more where that came from

And here's to your precious WEBMD site and all the great honest INFO they provide for you anti-quacks!

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/12/04/webmd-obamacare.aspx

We have to fight to stop water fluoridation (FLUORIDE HAS BEEN PROVEN TO DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD & PROVIDES LITTLE TO NO BENEFIT IN REGARDS TO DENTAL HYGIENE) and also fight for GMO labels to be slapped on GMO and idiots like you still preach that quackery sh**?

From here on out You, Saintsfan, and BushBush will now be labeled at "the threes stooges" BushBush will be considered as Stooge #1 You will be Stooge #2 and saintsfan will be stooge #3

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minoxidil not only has vasodilator properties, it acts as a nitrous oxide agonist as well. minoxidil really doesn't work on most people anyways. Like squeege said (I was about to touch on some of that too) your hairline was fine before this stuff happened but suddenly... Our Galeas got tight, hair started to fall, scalp kept getting more and more numb and before you knew it you were sporting an NW1.5+

BTW: Nice avatar

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Dude, I've seen a recent DR study and the subjects from the minoxidil group wanted to switch over to the Dr+minoxidil group and when they did they saw results.

With DR+minoxidil You are mainly creating new vascularity via wounding, fastening the healing process with minoxidil, and pumping a sh** load of blood through the network you have created (locally of course) There are of course different factors involved here but those are the main things....

Like I said earlier Fred don't argue he knows everything, hes off his meds or something, he is like a dog humping your leg he cant help himself so just let him finish

I have to say that was a historically classic RANT, and I didn't have to do anything but sit back and enjoy, that was awesome. on to Next Rant and cant wait

Dammit, I really wanted to be stooge #1 I am crushed, thanks bushbush for ruining it for me, I have been trying so hard sighhhhh

 

[saintsfan92344]

Hey squeegee, how long do you leave the glycolic acid on your scalp, and what percent? do you use it on your face also, I plan on using on my face for 4 min and maybe head for 6-10
I bought 70% but am reducing it to 35% what do you think?

 

[squeegee]

Hey squeegee, how long do you leave the glycolic acid on your scalp, and what percent? do you use it on your face also, I plan on using on my face for 4 min and maybe head for 6-10
I bought 70% but am reducing it to 35% what do you think?

I am using 30%? Glycolic Acid. I leave it for 10 minutes. recovery time is 5 days. More than 10 minutes is stupid. I don't use it on my face, only derma roller. Start slow with it. Be smart or than can bite you in the arse.

 

[saintsfan92344]

I am using 30%? Glycolic Acid. I leave it for 10 minutes. recovery time is 5 days. More than 10 minutes is stupid. I don't use it on my face, only derma roller. Start slow with it. Be smart or than can bite you in the arse.

yeah I know it can do some face melting, that's what I want to avoid, ugly enough as it is

 

[saintsfan92344]

Fred is an idiot skeptic, that's why nobody likes him & he even admits it. He doesn't care about you either so stop sucking his meat just to try to "outnumber me" lol. I seriously didn't know 12 year olds could develop male pattern baldness at such an early age... Either that or you're around my age but have the mind of a 12 year old.

LOL & I love this one... You're stealing the whole "sit back and watch you rant thing" from me. I shall call you Son from now on... It's nice to see you try & take after daddy's steps, Son. Lol

The funniest part was that most of that rant wasn't even towards you, but I understand my son, you need attention. Typical 12 year old.

But yet you called me out by name, you even bashed my team of all things that's a no-no (just for the record 10-4 doesnt suck), so you are getting pretty desperate huh,
really don't care if its cooled or not, i dont mess with anyone till messed with and normally hate this stuff but you keep attacking people on this forum, you have at least 3 people minimum you've had issues with and Im having a great time fu#$ng with you to be honest and you keep biting.
one more thing you may want to look in your library insult book for a new word besides idiot, its kind of over used in your posts and Im getting a little disappointed, and the 12 year old thing was a little desperate, just little constructive criticism. Dont mention me in your posts and quit acting like a holier than thou a$$ and insulting everyone and then it will be done. till then Next!!!
just for the record I did respond to an a$$ YOU JK JK

 

[BeliefISKEY]

There was a big debate before about this. Yeah, this is probably true, but that is if you are trying to produce WIHN. That's just not going to happen. We are just trying to brick back our almost dead follicles. not create new ones...

And this is also why you all guys need minoxidil. Yeah, the dermaroller createss new blood vessels, increasing the blood supply. Well that's fantastic. And yeah, the dermaroller will help you revert fibrosis to a certain extent. But remember, signaling is also very, very important, and the growth factors released for so through wounding are probably (almost surely) not enough. minoxidil is loaded with this growth factors, use it.



Of course this is not to say this is useless. Far from it. Though princessRambo was a diffuse thinner... he was a very fucckedd up diffuse thinner... he almost looked like a norwood 7, yet he was able to regrowth a lot of his hair from cero (or almost cero). His results were awesome, even if he was not creating new follicles, just reviving the old ones.

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I always thought PRP was bull****... but a guy in an argentinian forum got himself some pretty sweet results... but yeah... price is a b**ch... especially since you have to do it again like almost six months or so...

BTW the study I included under the text in my reply kinda speaks for itself. No vasodilator will help you on an area where there is something constricting vascularity. You have to take your foot off of the hose for it to pump water properly.

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But yet you called me out, you even bashed my team of all things, getting desperate huh, next rant please this is pretty amusing

Lol dude... Does a team that you make no money from really mean that much to you? & seriously bro... We have new guys coming in here and I don't want them to get discouraged because of us 2 flamingos arguing. I am your friend now ok?

 

[ganonford]

BTW the study I included under the text in my reply kinda speaks for itself. No vasodilator will help you on an area where there is something constricting vascularity. You have to take your foot off of the hose for it to pump water properly.

I don't know if I understand that study...

So, a tight scalp affects vasculrity and it slowly kills your hair?...

or does impaired vascularity creates a low oxigen enviroment in which testosterone is transformed to DHT and this excess of DHT destroys the follicles?

But if so to any of this... what creates a tight scalp on the first place...?

 

[saintsfan92344]

BTW the study I included under the text in my reply kinda speaks for itself. No vasodilator will help you on an area where there is something constricting vascularity. You have to take your foot off of the hose for it to pump water properly.

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Lol dude... Does a team that you make no money from really mean that much to you? & seriously bro... We have new guys coming in here and I don't want them to get discouraged because of us 2 flamingos arguing. I am your friend now ok?

Yes my team means that much to me I am a fan since birth, and to be honest I am not your friend and don't really give a crap what you think of my posts or me, what I care about is you are a disrespectfull a$$ , ignore my posts, quit bashing and insulting other people you disagree with and I will never respond to you again. I try to show respect for every post even if I disagree.

 

[2young2retire]

guys please these tremendous delicious dream pics will make members get increased DHT :jackit:

 

[BeliefISKEY]

I don't know if I understand that study...

So, a tight scalp affects vasculrity and it slowly kills your hair?...

or does impaired vascularity creates a low oxigen enviroment in which testosterone is transformed to DHT and this excess of DHT destroys the follicles?

But if so to any of this... what creates a tight scalp on the first place...?

Tight scalp affects vascularity since its compressing it thus disrupting blood flow.

Tight scalp=>disrupted blood flow/hypoxia=>DHT overproduction/accumulation and estradiol levels are affected=> Miniaturization

When they loosened the scalp all test subjects cured their hair loss & the majority of them grew hair. Imagine if they would have used DR or a violet ray.

ANOTHER NOTE: Many people over at Immortal Hair forums experience skin keratinization from just loosening the scalp & I suspect this has to do with estradiol levels being regulated.

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Yes my team means that much to me I am a fan since birth, and to be honest I am not your friend and don't really give a crap what you think of my posts or me, what I care about is you are a disrespectfull a$$ , ignore my posts, quit bashing and insulting other people you disagree with and I will never respond to you again. I try to show respect for every post even if I disagree.

Stop being a baby flamingo Wilbert

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guys please these tremendous delicious dream pics will make members get increased DHT :jackit:

Lol

 

[squeegee]

I just derma rolled my whole pumpkin.. 3.0mm all in.. bled like a mofo.. just rinsed my head with water... my head is on fire and still sweating lol.. I need to find the best anesthesia so I can really go as deep and aggressive like I want..

 

[peacemaker]

First of all, guys, stop with the pics please. I literally went to work an hour late and my boss was really angry.

Secondly I have further observations. The pic might not be top quality, but here it is


Long story short: I want my hairline where the black lines are at. There are a lot of vellus hair in that area (that I wish to grow)
My method: scratching head for 5-6 minutes intensely day and night. Blood flows to the area and it becomes red for 10 minutes.

What I have noticed: I have been observing a stubborn follicle that has been surviving the inflammation (red circle). This follicle has the same length as the rest of my hair. Now there's another follicle next to it (green circle). I have been observing the first follicle for a long time (for maybe months), so I know for sure that the one in the green circle is new. It is also quarter length of the one in the red circle. Also, the follicles within the blue circle (close to my current hairline) have been becoming thicker and longer. Another thing that I noticed is that my hair overall is stronger and I lose less hair per day (I also scratch my whole head, not only that area)

I know that my results are not reliable and might be only temporary. What I will do is:
1- I will keep at this method for maybe a month or two and see if there are any developments.
2- If I don't see any improvement, I will slowly add derma rollers to my method (I already bought 5 of each size so I am prepared!)
3- If this also doesn't work, I will slowly add minoxidil.

For now, imo, success would depend on your body's response to growth signals. Everything might work from slight scratching to intense derma rolling + minoxidil, but every person is different,so you have to find the right dosage and keep at it.

 

[2young2retire]

just did it. it pained like a mofo . although i used xylocream paste for an hour. i rolled hard enough that hard that blood was comming down to my eyes and further down around. it feels good. next one in a week. see you friends

 

[opti]

http://www.ijtrichology.com/viewimage.asp?img=IntJTrichol_2013_5_1_6_114700_u6.jpg

srsly what happend to the scalp on the right pic?I cant believe they said mild erythma or whatev..right pic looks more like permanent inflammation or heavy wounding(looks like inflammation after hair transplant)

 

[Gonewiththehair]

Heres some pics 10 weeks in doing exactly as per the indian study. Please dont complain about the inconsistancy in the pictures as they are taken with an iphone by someone else and they are more for my own tracking then to be scrutinized too much. Also ive started minoxidil at the same time as the DR so that needs to be mentioned. Can anyone see any improvement or am i wasting my time/going crazy hehe. I have only been rolling and applying minoxidil in the crown area, and if i get any results will do the whole head.

First pic is a few weeks in and the second pic is at 10 weeks. Attached thumbnail is another pic a few weeks in also. Any comments appreciated. Looks to be a very slow process especially for us advanced balders.

 

[2young2retire]

yeah it looks kinda reddish. so we can only imagine how it would look imediately post wounding. mild erythema= butchered heavy.

http://www.ijtrichology.com/viewimage.asp?img=IntJTrichol_2013_5_1_6_114700_u6.jpg

srsly what happend to the scalp on the right pic?I cant believe they said mild erythma or whatev..right pic looks more like permanent inflammation or heavy wounding(looks like inflammation after hair transplant)

 

[saintsfan92344]

Tight scalp affects vascularity since its compressing it thus disrupting blood flow.

Tight scalp=>disrupted blood flow/hypoxia=>DHT overproduction/accumulation and estradiol levels are affected=> Miniaturization

When they loosened the scalp all test subjects cured their hair loss & the majority of them grew hair. Imagine if they would have used DR or a violet ray.

ANOTHER NOTE: Many people over at Immortal Hair forums experience skin keratinization from just loosening the scalp & I suspect this has to do with estradiol levels being regulated.

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Stop being a baby flamingo Wilbert

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Lol

theres my little sunshine, good morning, another childish insult, that one was ok you can surely do better, I learned a few new words that no one else but you would consider an insult
Like I said quit with the childish insults and ignore me and im good, i would be more than happy to never respond to your posts again and you do the same

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yeah it looks kinda reddish. so we can only imagine how it would look imediately post wounding. mild erythema= butchered heavy.

it does look like some mild scarring but I could definitely deal with that aspect with hair growth because it wouldnt really be visible to the naked eye I can only wonder what your scalp would look like squeegee in that same type pic after using the 3mm, have any of you been using above 1.5, I am stepping up to a 2mm tomorrow
As of yesterday I buzzed my hair shorter, I definately have quite a bit of new growth, looks like on my temples also, hope it decides to stay for a while

 

[Sparky4444]

Heres some pics 10 weeks in doing exactly as per the indian study. Please dont complain about the inconsistancy in the pictures as they are taken with an iphone by someone else and they are more for my own tracking then to be scrutinized too much. Also ive started minoxidil at the same time as the DR so that needs to be mentioned. Can anyone see any improvement or am i wasting my time/going crazy hehe. I have only been rolling and applying minoxidil in the crown area, and if i get any results will do the whole head.

First pic is a few weeks in and the second pic is at 10 weeks. Attached thumbnail is another pic a few weeks in also. Any comments appreciated. Looks to be a very slow process especially for us advanced balders.

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How does your scalp feel??? Do you get a sense of things getting a bit more bristly up there?? Looks like you're gaining some ground...but then again you could be just growing out hairs that you normally don't let grow out -- i dunno, can you comment??