Reactivated My Dating Profiles, Trying To Be Enthusiastic Without Being Obsessed

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I still think something is amiss - there is something going severely wrong for you.
How do you even stop to think of these things?
Are you not happy our fellow balding man is finally having a go at women?
All of this negative attention looks pointless.
 

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Long-term, I'd like to be married with a good woman and to raise children.

What are your goals?

After seeing how much happier fixing my hair has made me, I think fixing my jaws is a top priority next. I've already reached at least "average" looks range now just with the hair (it delivered a bigger boost than anticipated). But I've learned being comfortable with my appearance is important to me, and I'm not wrong about the general principle, so I want to get the jaws done.

Before/after that, not really much. Just get laid with some hot girls maybe until I'm bored of it and then see what else I can do to pass the time until I die. I have lots of hobbies to dedicate myself to and I've been neglecting while obsessing over hair.

On the fence about kids. Wanted them as a kid myself. Then became very depressed/broken the past few years for multiple reasons. Stopped wanting them. Now mood is going up again, so who knows what I'll think 5 years from now. Maybe daro will answer that question for me by effectively neutering me. :)


If Rudiger was here he'd already be going 1000+ word/post apeshit. lol

I for one do not miss his trolling, however meticulous it might have been.
 

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Your first date to second date ratio is appalling.

I still think something is amiss - there is something going severely wrong for you.

You're a good-looking man. You don't fight and uphill battle on dates, women don't think that you need to prove to them that you're worth the compromise. It's actually the opposite -- you're hot (even when bald) and thus they show up excited, looking forward to finding out how awesome you are. They make an investment in the date beforehand (better make up, etc) that they hope to see validated.

If you say something dim (which everyone does from time to time) they'll shrug it off. In contrast, if an ugly man says something dim it will give them the excuse to exit that they're looking for.

How do you even stop to think of these things?
Are you not happy our fellow balding man is finally having a go at women?
All of this negative attention looks pointless.

He's definitely a good man overall, but occasionally his petty streak takes over and we get to see brief spurts of it.

He might be having a bad day or something.
 

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How do you even stop to think of these things?
Are you not happy our fellow balding man is finally having a go at women?
All of this negative attention looks pointless.
I'm always honest. I think if you looked at the ratio from dates to sex then you will understand.

He has only sex once and that was with a hooker.

Perhaps its 'mean' to point that out but this is a place where we should be honest with each other.

It will always be impossible for us to know whether its his looks or social awkwardness.




For David:

If my tone causes offense then I do apologize. You seem like a good guy and if I query your lack of success with women then its to generate discussion on where you are going wrong, rather than to make you feel bad.
 

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I'm always honest. I think if you looked at the ratio from dates to sex then you will understand.

He has only sex once and that was with a hooker.

Perhaps its 'mean' to point that out but this is a place where we should be honest with each other.

It will always be impossible for us to know whether its his looks or social awkwardness.




For David:

If my tone causes offense then I do apologize. You seem like a good guy and if I query your lack of success with women then its to generate discussion on where you are going wrong, rather than to make you feel bad.

Gotta crawl before you walk etc. Dude is just barely getting his dick working with all these new drugs. Plus going on a load of dates and getting makeouts.

Nothing is going wrong at all in my opinion. Everything's going right. Fantastically so.
 

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Gotta crawl before you walk etc. Dude is just barely getting his dick working with all these new drugs. Plus going on a load of dates and getting makeouts.

Nothing is going wrong at all in my opinion. Everything's going right. Fantastically so.
Perhaps looking at it from that stance makes it more reasonable.

Hopefully by the end of the year he's getting laid/
 

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After seeing how much happier fixing my hair has made me, I think fixing my jaws is a top priority next. I've already reached at least "average" looks range now just with the hair (it delivered a bigger boost than anticipated). But I've learned being comfortable with my appearance is important to me, and I'm not wrong about the general principle, so I want to get the jaws done.

Before/after that, not really much. Just get laid with some hot girls maybe until I'm bored of it and then see what else I can do to pass the time until I die. I have lots of hobbies to dedicate myself to and I've been neglecting while obsessing over hair.

On the fence about kids. Wanted them as a kid myself. Then became very depressed/broken the past few years for multiple reasons. Stopped wanting them. Now mood is going up again, so who knows what I'll think 5 years from now. Maybe daro will answer that question for me by effectively neutering me. :)



If Rudiger was here he'd already be going 1000+ word/post apeshit. lol

I for one do not miss his trolling, however meticulous it might have been.

I feel very happy for you. You've had one of the best results of anybody here yesterday, and it's partly because you were extremely smart and extremely perseverant in researching things, as opposed to just being lucky. It's nice to see meritocracy work, even if it's rare.

I feel similarly triumphant now that I might finally (after 11 f*****g years) have an effective treatment for erectile dysfunction. In that time I've seen four urologists, at least four GPs, four mental health workers not including a specialized sexual therapy clinic, tried nofap, long-term water-only fasting, supplements of arginine, pine bark extract, zinc, saw palmetto, fish oil, antibiotics, lost 50-60 lbs, did high intensity interval training, weight training, yoga, etc. I got plenty of other benefits from those actions, but no working dick.

But cabergoline+cialis seems to be working, so now it's a matter off figuring out the minimal effective dose. On Tuesday and Wednesday night (I think), I woke up in the middle of the night with hard erections. Actually, my last cialis pill was on Wednesday and my last cabergoline was on Monday, as the doctor is doing a penile doppler ultrasound on Monday and he wants me back at baseline. That the effects seem long-lasting suggests to me that it's indeed partly the cabergoline that's helping, as I'm still getting erections this weekend, just with reduced frequency and intensity. On the other hand, I'm also still peeing like a healthy person, in spite of the fact that I've been off cialis for 72 hours and the half-life is 18 hours.

I feel like trolling mybrainonporn (a nofap forum) and to let them know that cabergoline seems to be giving the same benefits as nofap, but with less effort.
 

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Perhaps looking at it from that stance makes it more reasonable.

Hopefully by the end of the year he's getting laid/
You are completely missing so many factors to his story. Are you doing this intentionally to put him down? Or are you unable even put your toe in his shoes?

It’s not just about sticking your pee pee in the hole.

He is genuinely wanted by women now. You might not realise how big this is as you’re playing on easy mode and this has never concerned you. But it’s more important than actually having sex.

He has also fixed his dingeling, ED contributed to his failures in dating, even though he didn’t get as far as attempting the deed when he had the problems.
 

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A quick google search suggests that prolactin is linked to immunosuppression, I wonder if that's why I seem to get sick all of the time?

For whatever it's worth, I was at the upper end of the normal range in both middle of 2016 and on a separate test by a different lab a couple months back:
Prolactin, Serum, 13.3 ng/mL, reference range: 3.0 - 14.7 ng/mL

I'm declaring victory while simultaneously declaring that I need to wait longer to be sure.
 

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You are completely missing so many factors to his story. Are you doing this intentionally to put him down? Or are you unable even put your toe in his shoes?

It’s not just about sticking your pee pee in the hole.

He is genuinely wanted by women now. You might not realise how big this is as you’re playing on easy mode and this has never concerned you. But it’s more important than actually having sex.

He has also fixed his dingeling, ED contributed to his failures in dating, even though he didn’t get as far as attempting the deed when he had the problems.
I'm not intentionally putting him down.

I hope for his sake he can finally start making something of these dates and finally get a girlfriend
 

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I'm not intentionally putting him down.

I hope for his sake he can finally start making something of these dates and finally get a girlfriend
finally

The way you express this aswell makes it seem like you are trying to put him down. You could have just said girlfriend.

Why can’t you be happy for him and the progress that he has made instead of jumping the gun with the sex and girlfriend?

He’s doing great now, and if he continues the same path I’m sure he’ll have sex in a matter of time. The last thing he needs is some Chad telling him there’s something terribly wrong with him.

I get the feeling that you’re trying to assert yourself as superior, and you try to devalue the progress that he has already made because he doesn’t have a gf yet.
 

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finally

The way you express this aswell makes it seem like you are trying to put him down. You could have just said girlfriend.

Why can’t you be happy for him and the progress that he has made instead of jumping the gun with the sex and girlfriend?

He’s doing great now, and if he continues the same path I’m sure he’ll have sex in a matter of time. The last thing he needs is some Chad telling him there’s something terribly wrong with him.

I get the feeling that you’re trying to assert yourself as superior, and you try to devalue the progress that he has already made because he doesn’t have a gf yet.
Will respond via PM.
 

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A quick google search suggests that prolactin is linked to immunosuppression, I wonder if that's why I seem to get sick all of the time?

For whatever it's worth, I was at the upper end of the normal range in both middle of 2016 and on a separate test by a different lab a couple months back:
Prolactin, Serum, 13.3 ng/mL, reference range: 3.0 - 14.7 ng/mL

I'm declaring victory while simultaneously declaring that I need to wait longer to be sure.
Last time I checked mine (for thyroid) it was 9.01
And, yes, prolactin is an ememy for masculinity
 

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I visited some family this weekend, and my cousin's wife decided to fix me up with a woman who lives here, in NY, four hours away from where I live, and who is more religious than I am. She is non-compatible. My cousin's wife is a wealthy housewife, and was a good-looking woman growing up. Her life history is one that will cause her to believe that things workout. She is generally positive and optimistic about everything.

She had previously offered to fix me up with this woman and I said that somebody being much more religious than I am, and somebody living 4 hours away, are large obstacles. She had told me that I have a bad attitude.

I texted her on Thursday at 10:00pm because I didn't want to decline the favor. Afterwards I was told to just call her, but I said that I can't call someone that I doin't know right after texting as it's aggressive, she was willing to accept this. The woman texted me back at 10:30pm, we spoke for fifteen minutes, and we made plans to meet the next day at 2:30pm, for coffee. Note that she's most likely in the same situation where she doesn't want to decline a favor. Also note that Manhattan is a big place, and needing to meet someone at 2:30pm at a specific place really truncates the day, it's an inconvenience which should hopefully be worth it.

We had a normal date the next day, mostly. She was clearly annoyed that I'm a Canadian citizen living in an American city four hours away. She asked about my immigration status, length of contract, etc. I felt like a visacel, which is annoying, but on the other hand is fair on her part. Why would she want 8 hours of total commute every time she wants to see her new partner?

I texted her on Sunday offering to stay in touch (mostly in order to honor the favor), but she told me that it was nice to meet me but she doesn't want anything long distance. All fair. The whole ordeal was annoying from top to bottom.

I then spoke about it to a different cousin, different level, ~80 year-old woman, really kind woman who knew my dad very well. I expressed my frustration and said that the woman was right. She's an attractive 29 year-old woman with a good career, good health, she has a lot of options and thus doesn't need to start anything long distance. She told me that I was mistaken. A 21 year old woman might have a lot of choices, but not a 29 year old woman. Note again that this cousin is a sweet, sweet, smart, accomplished person. She just grew up in a different era and so I did not bother arguing.
 

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I then spoke about it to a different cousin, different level, ~80 year-old woman, really kind woman who knew my dad very well. I expressed my frustration and said that the woman was right. She's an attractive 29 year-old woman with a good career, good health, she has a lot of options and thus doesn't need to start anything long distance. She told me that I was mistaken. A 21 year old woman might have a lot of choices, but not a 29 year old woman. Note again that this cousin is a sweet, sweet, smart, accomplished person. She just grew up in a different era and so I did not bother arguing.

Some people based on their experiences simply can't relate to how difficult it can be for some of us to try and have successful and flourishing dating lives

Reminds me of my mom trying to push me towards trying to date. Growing up she was the kind of girl who was rarely without a boyfriend. She seems to think me being in a relationship is as simple as "calling up so and so" (hot girl I went to highschool with she saw recently). Part of me wonders how she would respond I recounted all my rejections to her, but it's too humiliating, so I keep them to myself. So now when she makes comments about "you should call up *certain female*", I just grunt and don't say anything

I am inspired though to read of what you've been up to lately, taking the risks and putting yourself out there, and the gradual success you're having due to your resiliency
 

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@yetti, I read the adderall article.

I don't think that it directly applies to me as the person who wrote it clearly had an extremely strong response to adderall. She would keep spare pills, she would participate in the black market, she tried to quit many times, she didn't like being without, et cetera. It was also a life-changing service for her whenever she tried it, it seemed like an extraordinary impact, so addiction is a lot more plausible.

I do not feel extraordinary changes on adderall, at least not on the dose of 15 mg/day. Right now I *might* have a better attention span, and I sometimes notice a reduced appetite. I am also comfortable to not take the pill on somedays, such as on weekdays when I forget, and on weekends when I take a break.

This Friday I want to try two pills (~30 mg) to see what happens.
 

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Some people based on their experiences simply can't relate to how difficult it can be for some of us to try and have successful and flourishing dating lives

Reminds me of my mom trying to push me towards trying to date. Growing up she was the kind of girl who was rarely without a boyfriend. She seems to think me being in a relationship is as simple as "calling up so and so" (hot girl I went to highschool with she saw recently). Part of me wonders how she would respond I recounted all my rejections to her, but it's too humiliating, so I keep them to myself. So now when she makes comments about "you should call up *certain female*", I just grunt and don't say anything

I am inspired though to read of what you've been up to lately, taking the risks and putting yourself out there, and the gradual success you're having due to your resiliency

Sometimes I fantasize of writing a book, perhaps with the title Internalized Incelism, to help these notions go mainstream. I think that it would/could help a lot of young people by clearing out the fog of war in the game of love by means of infra-red goggles helping to reveal a lot of red pills. There are three obstacles though:

1) Writing a book would consume a lot of time and effort. I already lack the time to think about my own research to the level of depth that I want.

2) I have not demonstrated that I have a clue. That can only come from continued gradual improvement on the dating market, including multiple sexual encounters and relationships. The clue would then be specific to my own experiences, so I'd probably need to expand by finding a co-writer with comparable intelligence, wisdom, and experience.

3) It would be hard to write it such that it not be professional suicide. If you think about it, any discussion of heterosexual sexuality is necessarily sexist. Come on, think about. Can you come up with any counterexamples? No because it's intrinsically true, it's kind of a tautology.
As such it would be professional suicide. Only one book about sexuality can be written by an academic in the current climate -- the one about how sexual norms harm women. That has to be the entire book. There are some exceptions though, for example you can say that the expectation of machismo imposes a heavy burden on young men, or that men who were paedophilia victims growing up have a hard time relating to women.
Just imagine the outrage if someone wrote a book that said that most men need to put in more effort or else they won't be loved. The response would be furious, swift, and vindictive. "The author neglects to mention the endless trolling, the threats, the cat fishing, etc etc etc" which would show up in reviews even if I did not neglect to mention it. As an example, Jordan Peterson is frequently compared to nazis.

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I'm sorry about your mom. I wish that there were a solution.
 

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@yetti, I read the adderall article.

I don't think that it directly applies to me as the person who wrote it clearly had an extremely strong response to adderall. She would keep spare pills, she would participate in the black market, she tried to quit many times, she didn't like being without, et cetera. It was also a life-changing service for her whenever she tried it, it seemed like an extraordinary impact, so addiction is a lot more plausible.

I do not feel extraordinary changes on adderall, at least not on the dose of 15 mg/day. Right now I *might* have a better attention span, and I sometimes notice a reduced appetite. I am also comfortable to not take the pill on somedays, such as on weekdays when I forget, and on weekends when I take a break.

This Friday I want to try two pills (~30 mg) to see what happens.
you'll turn into the guy from limitless if you take that much ;). i used to abuse 60 mg a day, i took 30 mg in the morning and 30 at night, basically turned into a superhuman lmao
 
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