Reflex Hyperandrogenicity From Finasteride.

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@kungfukenny : I really don't know. My intuition tells me it's useless and maybe snake oil, but I might be wrong.
Yeah I’d tend to agree with that, but I’m gonna test it for a few months, got nothing to lose really. My hair loss isn’t too bad so I’d be happy just to stop shedding and have maintenance, then maybe get a small hair transplant.

Are there any other treatments you’d recommend for someone who’s had RH? And what to stay away from?
 

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@kungfukenny : Yeah you can try if you have nothing to lose.
I really don't know. I can't be sure you have RH, but if it's really your issue : avoid all anti-androgens ...
Maybe you could try Seti ...
Or Dermarolling + Minoxidil.

I'm sorry I can't really help you, and I don't want to tell you something that would make you do something detrimental for your hair. Because if you really have RH there is almost no hope :/ and taking AA would make everything worse.
Appreciate the reply. Is Trinov an anti androgen?

Wow no hope? Not even for maintenance? That’s so depressing. I’m going to keep trying.
 

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@kungfukenny : yeah part of its action is antiandrogenic

No hope, but maybe you don't have RH. No hope for me, but I still keep trying (I'm stubnorn and desperate).

Good luck. Maybe something will work for you.
So I should avoid trinov? I definitely have RH.
Why do you say there is no hope? What’s the science behind it?
Thanks man, you too, trying to stay positive, hope something will work.
 

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I never saw any studies or articles regarding RH or upregulation of the receptors. It is heavily floated on hair loss forums though (of course I might be ignorant to it or just did not research enough). It is mainly a conclusion drawn by antiandrogen users who experienced a worsening of their symptoms rather than an improvement. It is very possible that this is a real condition. In general all vasodilatators (including the Minoxidil which is part of the big 3) pose a risk of chest discomfort (or other vascular symptoms). If RH is a condition for real and you experience it, than even Nizoral will mess you up.
I do believe that OP drew his RH conclusion a bit early (only 2 months into treatment) though I understand his worries... if RH is real and he has it... then there are very few options left...
 
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I never saw any studies or articles regarding RH or upregulation of the receptors. It is heavily floated on hair loss forums though (of course I might be ignorant to it or just did not research enough). It is mainly a conclusion drawn by antiandrogen users who experienced a worsening of their symptoms rather than an improvement. It is very possible that this is a real condition. In general all vasodilatators (including the Minoxidil which is part of the big 3) pose a risk of chest discomfort (or other vascular symptoms). If RH is a condition for real and you experience it, than even Nizoral will mess you up.
I do believe that OP drew his RH conclusion a bit early (only 2 months into treatment) though I understand his worries... if RH is real and he has it... then there are very few options left...
I never saw any studies or articles regarding RH or upregulation of the receptors. It is heavily floated on hair loss forums though (of course I might be ignorant to it or just did not research enough). It is mainly a conclusion drawn by antiandrogen users who experienced a worsening of their symptoms rather than an improvement. It is very possible that this is a real condition. In general all vasodilatators (including the Minoxidil which is part of the big 3) pose a risk of chest discomfort (or other vascular symptoms). If RH is a condition for real and you experience it, than even Nizoral will mess you up.
I do believe that OP drew his RH conclusion a bit early (only 2 months into treatment) though I understand his worries... if RH is real and he has it... then there are very few options left...
Wow that is so depressing. I’ve been so scared since yesterday after reading all this. I’m just hoping for maintenance.

I use nizoral every other day, it doesn’t seem to have any adverse effect.
 

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Wow that is so depressing. I’ve been so scared since yesterday after reading all this. I’m just hoping for maintenance.

I use nizoral every other day, it doesn’t seem to have any adverse effect.

Well Ketoconazole - the main ingredient in Nizoral - is an anti-androgen (even if a weak one). If you did not notice any adverse reaction from it then probably you do not have the dreaded RH.
 

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I’m ready to kill myself after 6 months on topical Finasteride. I have lost so much hair so fast that I didn’t even think it was possible. My density is gone and I am angry.

If I had never touched minoxidil, RU or garbage Finasteride I still have a ton of hair. This nonsense ‘initiation shed’ has ruined my hair. I’m so angry.
 

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I’m ready to kill myself after 6 months on topical Finasteride. I have lost so much hair so fast that I didn’t even think it was possible. My density is gone and I am angry.

If I had never touched minoxidil, RU or garbage Finasteride I still have a ton of hair. This nonsense ‘initiation shed’ has ruined my hair. I’m so angry.

Man, the amount of hair you have on your head would raise others from the dead and you are talking about suicide due loss of hair? I get that you are stressed due to hair loss but you are nowhere close to being bald just yet. You may get there but many guys here would kill to have the amount of hair you have. How come you are using topical fina instead of pill?
 

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I know I know just happening so fast. I had sides on the pill so switched to topical and it has been tolerable. Still nothing is helping.
 

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Yeah, I had a slow creeping loss and then all of a sudden it went into overdrive.. But I also did some hard drugs for a while so it may have something to do with it... or just genetics...
 

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Have you experienced an itchy scalp too since the hair loss sped up?

at the moment i been switching between revivogen shampoo and regenepure and its encouraging some scalp itch in the areas i am thinning. for a little while i switched to gentle shampoos and the itch was slowly becoming less, but i don't think the hair loss become any slower but i ain't sure.

Its something that never used to happen. maybe my body is still adjusting to getting off dutasteride.

Scalp massages also seem to activate the itch.
 
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Have you experienced an itchy scalp too since the hair loss sped up?

If this question is for me, yes. Had a shed that was maybe above average for many years but never really noticed changes. Had amount and volume of hair way above most of people around me but around 30 I had this bam! Itching and crazy hair loss. I guess itching is a damn dooming sign of hair loss...
 

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I had a period with no itch and it seemed like things stabilized a little. A week later the shedding ramped back up and I’m getting intermittent itch.
 

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Hey guys, so I'm at a crossroads with my hair loss and I could really use some advice from users who have taken Finasteride. I've been on finasteride for 8 months (1.25 mg/day generic) and during this time I have experienced accelerated hair loss across the entire top of my head, and my sides have gotten noticeably thinner. Additionally, I have experienced increased scalp oil, chronic mild testicular pain (has never gone away), increased ejaculatory volume, and decreased thickness of facial hair. I'm really worried that I might have reflex hypoandrogenicity, and I'm very close to just quitting finasteride altogether and relying on minoxidil/dermastamp/massage protocol for preventing further hairloss. Any suggestions? Is recovery from reflex hypoandrogenicity possible?
 

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Hey guys, so I'm at a crossroads with my hair loss and I could really use some advice from users who have taken Finasteride. I've been on finasteride for 8 months (1.25 mg/day generic) and during this time I have experienced accelerated hair loss across the entire top of my head, and my sides have gotten noticeably thinner. Additionally, I have experienced increased scalp oil, chronic mild testicular pain (has never gone away), increased ejaculatory volume, and decreased thickness of facial hair. I'm really worried that I might have reflex hypoandrogenicity, and I'm very close to just quitting finasteride altogether and relying on minoxidil/dermastamp/massage protocol for preventing further hairloss. Any suggestions? Is recovery from reflex hypoandrogenicity possible?
Decreased thickness of facial hair? Isn't that a symptom of low T and DHT?
 

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Month 5 on topical Finasteride having the exact same experience not sure if I should bail or press on. Beard part really surprised me.
 

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The beard and body hair theories have been floated around this forum by different members so I'm guessing there must be something to it. Also, beard being affected by topical Fina is proof that topical goes systemic.
 

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Topical 100% goes systematic but I think it is at a lower %. I had sides on .5 oral and only minor issues on topical.

That said nothing has worked and I will be going from a dense head of long black hair to a diffuse mess in less than three years.
 

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Then you'll know my story. Main difference is that mine was not Fina influenced
 
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