Self Defense Systems

[Eureka]

My point is the average Joe taking up some sort of self defence/ martial arts training will not turn into some kind of hard case asskicker who can handle himself against almost anyone.
The guys out there that you dont want to mess with are usually born that way or are a product of their enviroment.

However someone who is trained. And trained well, can win a fight against a bigger and stronger opponent. You should at least acknowledge that saf.

 

[oni]

:uglylol: It was ment as a joke.........................................

And you use a boxing match! I think your find an MMA fight is a little closer to a street fight....................................................

Lets see you take a right hook from butterbean :smack: :uglylol: 16oz or 4oz gloves! your choice?

I think your find Butterbean is not all fat! :uglylol:

 

[CCS]

On the flip side, if you workout and study martial arts, it could allow you to avoid being beaten up by a super star small person. And it could help you fight off a really out of shape big person who might have sat on you otherwise. But if a big person is fit and practices, you will not stand a chance against them, unless you are genetically much faster than them.

But when you see one guy take on 3 guys in movies, that is BS, usually. You'd have to be 3x faster than them and have eyes behind your head to do that. Speed only matters when you are free. Once they crash into you and grab you you don't have speed anymore, and it is just power and weight at that point, and you lose.

Ever notice in the movies that when the small person karate kicks the big person, the big person flies back 20 feet, and the small person just stays right there? That defies Newton's 3rd law of motion: the lighter person should fly further back. That is what is such BS about the chick flick movies. If they wanted to make it look real, they should have her hit him in the neck, so he can lose without flying back across the room. Fact is is 3 guys run at you and you kick them, you might hurt them but their mass will still be coming at you and knock you down. Unless you were fast enough to snap all three of their necks in the spit second before they crashed into you, they will be alive and on top of you and pounding away. Now if you are 120 pounds and can bench press 600 pounds, then you could just through them all off you at the same time. But very few athletes can bench even twice their weight, unless that is the only exercise they do.

 

[s.a.f]

My point is the average Joe taking up some sort of self defence/ martial arts training will not turn into some kind of hard case asskicker who can handle himself against almost anyone.
The guys out there that you dont want to mess with are usually born that way or are a product of their enviroment.

However someone who is trained. And trained well, can win a fight against a bigger and stronger opponent. You should at least acknowledge that saf.

I acknowledge that but only to a variable degree, of course being well trained is an advantage but being huge or being a naturally talented / aggressive fighter is imo going to be more benificial.

Look at nightclub bouncers there's a reason why most of them are huge.

Lets see you take a right hook from butterbean :smack: :uglylol: 16oz or 4oz gloves! your choice?

I think your find Butterbean is not all fat! :uglylol:

Thats part of my point, the main reason for butterbeans success is his size (weight) the momentum of 300lb behind his punches is his main weapon that little guy was lucky he never connected cleanly with a punch or he would have been sparked out, no amount of matial arts moves can help you when you get a big punch to the head.

 

[s.a.f]

And you use a boxing match! I think your find an MMA fight is a little closer to a street fight:

Not really, in nearly every fight I've ever witnessed it was just punching (brawling) until someone gets knocked down and at that point the fight is already over for the guy who's down.
Like I said I've only ever seen 1 person try to use martial arts type moves in a real street fight and he just ended up looking like a total douche when it failed.

 

[HughJass]

Martial arts vs house brick. House brick wins.


Keep one in your purse ladies, I do.

 

[Doug Douglas]

Look at nightclub bouncers there's a reason why most of them are huge.

Right, the reason being: they're not legally allowed to so much as touch you. Pretty much they can ask you to leave, and that's about it. The reason people want big bouncers is so that the sight of them discourages people from starting sh*t.

Below is a nice illustration of Kung Fu vs. Idiot Street Fighting. Who do you think wins?

[youtube:2vkqflyi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vmuv5P5igQ[/youtube:2vkqflyi]

 

[s.a.f]

I think the guy in the red shirt looks more stupid than the guy who got knocked down.

 

[Obsidian]

In the small amounts of fights I have been, due to my size, it has been the kick and run method (kick in the balls and run).

 

[Doug Douglas]

I think the guy in the red shirt looks more stupid than the guy who got knocked down.

The guy who got knocked down begs to differ.

 

[GNUist (formerly FC)]

[youtube:35ksbs1c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ral24SxZjZk[/youtube:35ksbs1c]

Now this is a real fight.

 

[oni]

Thats part of my point, the main reason for butterbeans success is his size (weight) the momentum of 300lb

:thumbdown2:

It's more to do with technique not really to do with his weight........................do you train s.a.f?

Lots of street fights start with a couple of punches yes.............................but if it's not a one sided fight (beat down) they will end up grappling most of the time....................do you go out drinking much s.a.f?

 

[CCS]

If you end up grappling, you better not be alone, or one of his friends might come over and stomp your head.

And if you fight someone, do not kick with your toes. You'll break them. Instead, use the bottom of your heal, or use your shins. Don't kick sharp stuff with your shins though.

 

[s.a.f]

Thats part of my point, the main reason for butterbeans success is his size (weight) the momentum of 300lb

:thumbdown2:

It's more to do with technique not really to do with his weight........................do you train s.a.f?

I dont train for fighting, but I do work out 3/4 times a week (weights) and sometimes I use a punchbag.
Like I said before in my youth I did Taekwondo but gave up after realising that in a real fight the punches/blocks/kicks they teach you would'nt work. If I got into a real fight I'd just throw hooks and straight overhand punches.

Lots of street fights start with a couple of punches yes.............................but if it's not a one sided fight (beat down) they will end up grappling most of the time....................do you go out drinking much s.a.f?

The only fights I ever saw that went to grappling was 7 yr olds in the playground.
I do go out (clubbing) only every month or so but I'm not a big drinker I just like socialising.
Nearly every fight I've seen has gone like that Kimbo video just a brawl (clubbing punches) for about 20 seconds then someone gets decked and it all over.

 

[Cassin]

Oni is dead on correct...street fights are nothing more than sloppy grappling matches. If you took Jiu Jitsu for roughly 2 months you would be better off than most.

 

[CCS]

SAF and Oni do not contract each other.
SAF says the only fights he saw with grappling were done by 7 year olds, and most adult fights are a fast beat down.
Oni says street fights typically are grappling.
That just shows they saw different events. Fact is, if the fighters are uneven, it results in a fast beet down. If they are even, it results in grappling. Most adults do not get in fights if they think the other person has a chance of winning. But at drunken bars.

Fact is when a fight starts, it is because the stronger person picked the fight, and would not let the other person back out. And who through the first punch should not matter. If a big guy gets right up in your face, their body language is telling you they can beat you up any second, and you know your chances of survival are best if you strike first instead of them striking first. I think the police should instead ask, "who stepped within 6 feet of the other person first? Did either person ask the other to back away?".

 

[CCS]

One thing that really upsets me is if a big guy attacks a small guy, and the small guy uses a weapon to defend himself, injuring the big guy, the small guy goes to jail for using a weapon. I say the big guy is a weapon, against a small guy. But we really need cameras in all bars, with tapes that can only be unlocked later by the police if there is a fight reported.

 

[CCS]

SAF, what do you mean by hooks and overhand punches? They don't do that in your old martial arts class? What kind of punches did they do instead, and why don't they work? Why don't martial arts classes teach your hook punch method if yours is better?

 

[Cassin]

 

[CCS]

typical match fight. They back away from each other. In a street fight, they tackle liek there is some time pressure. You will never see guys dancing back and forth in a street fight. One or both of them wants to hurt the other and do it fast.