Shaved my head, and it's STILL hard to stay positive.

[infinitepain]

What were your side effects on finasteride? I take 5 mg daily and have testicular pain every now and then, lower libido and watery semen but nothing that is really causing trouble for me.

Get back on 1 mg finasteride again and stop thinking about the sides. Most people just overthink and then drop finasteride. finasteride is your only hope so try and deal with the sides as I am doing.

Lol your balls are literally hurting and you say to not think about the sides.

Hair treatments are a scam. The only solution is becoming a wig prisoner.

 

[Rudiger]

I always lol when I hear other guys say women dont approach men!

Yeah because you're not good looking, gg

A lot of women will approach if you're handsome, especially when they are drunk

I always LOL when you say this. You are literally the only person I have ever known or seen, online or in real life, to make this argument, any decent looking girl who isn't vegetable tier drunk will not approach a man (so we're talking spastic drunk fat girls who randomly stumble over to a guy that's out of their league, and even that is rare).

A normal good looking 7 or 8 out of 10 guy will attract eye contract, at the very most will get a girl dancing near him, but openly approaching him? Very, very rare, if you mean "approach" counts as casual conversation at a house party, then that's laughably pathetic.

So OK, even if you are 9/10 hot, like most men who've been social creatures I've had some ridiculous good looking tall friends with muscular builds, they will get a lot more eye contact, they will get more women dancing near them and looking around, but openly going over to "pull" him as a man does a woman? Nope, not in any culture, from America, Canada, UK, mainland Europe, and anywhere that isn't a 3rd world country, that isn't going to happen regularly. Even those guys could go through a few months drought if they didn't at least try and meet women, no girl was going near them if they didn't try (obviously if they did try, it was a lot easier for them).

Being "not good looking" is the reason women don't approach men? So any guy from 6/10 up has to beat the women off of them? OK!

But great for you if you are the only man on earth who "a lot of women" approach, apart from millionaire movie stars, sport stars and tycoons, go you! #Slayer

 

[Rudiger]

I know it doesn't really matter with shooks, but THIS would be the type of thing that makes me think he's full of it. In what deluded mind does anyone think that decently good looking guys are getting "lots" of women walk up to them? The only person who could think that would be keyboard slayers watching PUA youtube videos and dreaming a dream.

But whatever, he gets laid, it's all good, I don't care, everyone keep believing in the dream.

 

[shookwun]

your full of your own delusions.

When you are attractive a lot of women will show you subtle attention through smiles, gestures, and on occasion approaches.

In bars, and clubs they are more likely to approach under the influence.

get some life experience dude. some of stuff you write, i am convinced you have very little experience with women


Women fear failure, and are more likely to not set themself up to be hurt, but I can assure you they do approach. A conversation, or a simple comment on your style is grounds for approach.

 

[Rudiger]

Said like that, sure! That's the exact same thing I just f*****g said, apparently because I said it, that makes it deluded though.

These things are "approaches"? No, let's not get the dictionary out again, but hypothetical situation- if I said to my friends a girl we know "approached" me last night in a club, but I'm seeing someone else who was on her way so I couldn't go ahead with it, then when they ask "Oh wow what did she say?" and I go "Say? No she APPROACHED me by smiling at me from 10 feet away" *cue canned laughter*

Yes shooks, they are "more likely" to "approach" you if you are good looking, I wouldn't actually say it's as rare as I initially wrote but it's still not common. Let's bear in mind you initially said "A lot of women will approach if you're handsome" which is very different to it being "more likely".

You called me deluded and then wrote exactly what I just wrote, where's the sense in that?

 

[Rudiger]

Let's put this in perspective:

get some life experience dude. some of stuff you write, i am convinced you have very little experience with women

Yeah like this nonsense I just wrote:

A normal good looking 7 or 8 out of 10 guy will attract eye contract, at the very most will get a girl dancing near him, but openly approaching him? Very, very rare, if you mean "approach" counts as casual conversation at a house party, then that's laughably pathetic.

..they will get a lot more eye contact, they will get more women dancing near them and looking around

When you are attractive a lot of women will show you subtle attention through smiles, gestures, and on occasion approaches.

We just wrote practically the same thing. Here's what makes you doubt my experience with women- I doubted yours.

As simple minded as it gets.

Y'know what shooks for the sake of conversation let's say you're right and I'm totally incel, what difference would that make? You just completely went back on what you originally said and changed the meaning of "approach" because you realise you were talking bullshit, so what does that have to do with my sexual activity?

You just did the exact thing I mock you and Fred for, when in doubt just call the other guy an incel, you think that validates your arguments when in this case it hasn't proved anything.

Fine, you are a slayer who just made a completely ridiculous claim about how women act, it implies that you know nothing about them, but because you're such a slayer we'll just put it down to one little slip up.

But let's just get this clear, you're giving me some genuine advice to go out and meet women, because I'll get this life experience that you have, and end up writing things like the quotes above in which we are in complete agreement on? I don't understand why you just wrote that.

 

[Rudiger]

I think he's only talking about drunk girls in bars or clubs, I have seen it happen many times.

However, the approach was never direct. It was always a stupid comment about how they had seen him before.

Women practically always want the man to take all the risk of rejection.

Even online, women rarely dare to send messages to a guy they like, even though there, it's less scary for everyone.

Women have told me it would just "feel weird" for them to approach a guy. It's just not natural.

I didn't see this post.

Yes this is what I meant by casual conversation in a house party, it will never be something that links a direct sexual attraction, I don't count that as an "approach" although I admit it is more debatable.

It's hard to guess with this, half the time I think drunk girls are just randomly pointing out a guy she thinks she knows, or she's just chatting sh*t, or even just playing with him, so that's why it's difficult to call it an "approach". The only thing I'd consider an "approach" is walking up to put her arm around you and talk quietly and clearly not as an openly "friendly" group chat, or on a dance floor walking up with direct eye contact and dancing so close you have to acknowledge it, especially with arms around you.

I think that's a pretty fair definition, however a drunk girl walking past and randomly going "Heeeeey are you Dan's brother?" even if you aren't, no, that doesn't count. That's kinda sad if anyone thinks that counts, she's not thinking of a way to talk to you she's probably just not thinking. That same drunk girl has probably pointed at a handful of other guys and even girls just randomly spouting sh*t.

 

[Rudiger]

At this point I'm totally bombing the thread with replies but I just have to point out how hilarious I find shooks quote of how she'll "approach" you with "smiles, gestures..."

Gestures?! Hahaha! What like a wink or something? Licking her teeth? What about this:

I mean what the actual f***, does she start twerking for you? Enlighten the incel oh wise one, what on earth is a "gesture" of sexual approach?

When I get out into the big wide world of sex like you slayers, what "gestures" should I use to attract a woman? Where's my PUA handbook. Maybe this will work:

Of course the clueless incel like me wouldn't understand such gestures out in that big bad sexy world, so go ahead then, what the actual f*** are you talking about? Gestures?!

I'm learning so much today!

 

[Rudiger]

I still never got to learn about gestures.

 

[shookwun]

When receding and balding as mentioned longer styles only work well aesthetically if you have good density evenly distributed. Any diffuse and it's game over.

Diffuse should always buzz or keep close crop. Sides and back need to be tapered to avoid the horse shoe look.

Early norwoods will benefit more from a slighr grown out bands look. Avoid looking like you are trying to make a comb over. Buzzed nw2-3 generally looks like sh*t.

 

[blackg]

A common theme on this forum is how hair loss gets marginalized because it's mainly a men's issue. I've heard from plenty of people how women supposedly are attracted to positivity and confidence yet I'd like to see your average young woman with hundreds of photos on facebook stay positive and have confidence if she was losing her hair.

Great comments.

 

[shookwun]

Lol ..confidence is so stupid. When a women says she likes a confident man she is indirectly saying she likes a handsome man. The hailo effect of being good looking makes in most cases you appear confident.

There is a guy on my new job who does t even talk. Has perfect hair and facial aesthetics. Chick on our job is always try to get his attention and just give chat vibes to him.

All it takes is a few words that are meaningless and suddenly she feels so hopelessly romantic towards the person. He is so conifedent! And fun!


Lol just lol. Good looking people create mild forms of coke highs for interaction. We all work on a dopamine circuit. Ugly people are not engaging for opoosite sex. Handsome face requires little verbal communication to stimulate the wh*** ovaries

 

[WangMQ]

I have daily scalp itchiness and burning in the places that I am balding: temples, forelock, and the crown. It drives me absolutely insane. Today the itch was INSANELY bad. I shower daily and use 1% Nizoral and rotate that with my normal shampoo. Good god, I can feel the hairloss happening with this itch and burning. It's the worst.

Exactly what I feel.

I think this is the worst part of male pattern baldness. There's no way you can get around it. Even when you've accepted the idea of shaving your head the itch is still there. It keeps reminding you how you keep losing.

I had this colleague with aggressive male pattern baldness and shaved his head. Whenever we're under deadlines I can always see him scratching and rubbing his shaved head constantly.

God! Have sympathy on us!!!

 

[I.D WALKER]

Lol ..confidence is so stupid.


Lol just lol. Good looking people create mild forms of coke highs for interaction. We all work on a dopamine circuit. Ugly people are not engaging for opoosite sex.

And then there are the good looking people who are duped and deluded by their own residual halo effect(s) and by consequence of their conceit/complacency can grow fully convinced they would/could never become "one of those fully blown coke-heads". Lol

 

[shookwun]

One of the best perks of being handsome is that yoy almost always feel good when you look good. In return better performance on a career, social and activity level.

 

[EvilLocks]

One of the best perks of being handsome is that yoy almost always feel good when you look good. In return better performance on a career, social and activity level.

Good looks and good health is everything. If you have the two combined you're unstoppable.

 

[shookwun]

When I feel good about myself info head over heels for performance. Doing little tasks that people other wise avoid. First one in, last one out. Contributing ideas during tool box talks. Being on the front lines and taking initiative in general

I noticed the difference.


When you feel bad you perform bad

 

[F2005]

When I feel good about myself info head over heels for performance. Doing little tasks that people other wise avoid. First one in, last one out. Contributing ideas during tool box talks. Being on the front lines and taking initiative in general

I noticed the difference.


When you feel bad you perform bad

I couldn't agree with this more. How we look has a direct relationship to how we feel and how we feel has a direct impact on our desire to succeed. When we look and feel good, we tend to be more outgoing, kinder, thoughtful, and motivated to succeed. However, when feel like we look like sh*t, it's like huge cloud is hanging over us and a huge weight on our shoulders is literally driving us into the ground. I certainly know this is the case with me. "When you feel bad, you perform bad." That totally is the truth. When I first started losing my hair, I became distracted and disillusioned at work, and my performance most definitely suffered.

 

[shookwun]

Everything feels like resistance holding you down. Become less social, more private in your life and generally have less energy for work, activities and so fourth.



Particularly why I say any way to improve you aesthetics is a career and emotional investment. Don't let these fools tell you otherwise. Usually the Delluded type who's biggest worry might include having bed head before they go out in the morning.


Gym and surgery is arguably the only way to actually improve your aesthetics. How you feel is in direct coorelation to how you perform and how well you succeed in most cases. It is very strenuous and exerting to fulfill tasks when you feel bad about yourself.

Our life's will always be a crutch, but we can still succeed.

 

[Zarko]

Some of my thoughts around the OP's post from a year ago:

• Shaving your head will reduce your appearance unless it goes with an overall look. To pull off the bald look you have to be ripped (like 5 or 7 per cent body fat) and you have to change your wardrobe to emphasize your musculature (e.g. muscle shirts). An arm tattoo wouldn't hurt either.
• I've heard a few interesting ideas about minimizing the side effects of finasteride over the years. First is tapering yourself onto it very slowly, as in, starting with 0.05 mg or something and taking a couple of months to get to the full 1 mg. Another is taking it along with a med for erectile dysfunction, like Cialis. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4386768