So how DID GliSODin work out for people?

[Bryan]

Yes, that's what I was thinking as well. I mean, I'm sure its great for hair. However I never considered it potent enough to make any real difference in hair. If a non-fda product recommends to use another fda approved hair-loss product in combination for "best" results, I immediately assume it's a cash scam and will be as effective as water.

Huh?? Didn't you read about those trials I just posted?!

 

[Hoppi]

Hey Hoppi..just wondering why you used to pretty much ridicule the use of topicals..like they weren't needed(did those threads change your mind?)..and now you've got a # of them in your regimen, and you were even talking about coming out with your own.

Maybe I should have in my sig a quote from you on what you said about topicals....

lol Jacob trust me you could find a LOT of contradictions in my posts over the last few months hehe

But the reason is not because I am dishonest or indecisive, it's because I am learning

I mean, I was asking about your topicals at one point, as I wanted to learn about what makes them work, etc!

 

[Hoppi]

and mopless, I think increasing antioxidant activity in the scalp (as copper peptides do) is very, very useful... I like the way nanogen illustrated it here:

http://www.nanogen.co.uk/nanogen-nanoga ... rowth.html


That really helped me get the idea much clearer!

 

[Jacob]

Maybe I'll look for that post sometime

I used that Nanogen product some years ago..it was called something else at the time I think. Discontinued it when they stopped responding to my emails..questions I had...

 

[Hoppi]

I think it was by PM actually heh, I can't fully remember!

But yeah I was just curious as it's a very.. alternative, natural and impressively topical-only regimen you've got there

 

[Jacob]

Here's one post:

And I do have at least one potent topical which is Nizoral, but I am hoping that topicals won't have to be a focus of mine, just for my own health needs.

Don't get me wrong..it makes more sense to use topicals. I guess the lack of evidence for just an internal regimen changed your mind :whistle:

 

[Hoppi]

Yeah but recently I've just changed my mind again lol

My hair seems to be doing ok at the moment, so I'm just gonna use good shampoos and wait and see really I'm using a couple of things on my hairline to give it a helping hand, it will be really great if it inches completely forward again! ^_^

 

[Jacob]

A revolutionary, new Japanese process now allows SOD to be absorbed
into the blood orally – before the SOD enters the stomach
(and thus becomes degraded). Simply empty the contents of a Vcap
under your tongue and the SOD is absorbed within a few seconds
into systemic circulation.
This process is far superior to gliadin-coated SOD that attempts to
enteric-coat the SOD to protect it from degradation. (Also, gliadin
is derived from wheat, a possible allergen for many individuals.)

http://www.phpure.com/nutrition_products/pdfs/SOD_Q.pdf

 

[Petchsky]

Yeah but recently I've just changed my mind again lol

My hair seems to be doing ok at the moment, so I'm just gonna use good shampoos and wait and see really I'm using a couple of things on my hairline to give it a helping hand, it will be really great if it inches completely forward again! ^_^

Hoppi,

Have you been taking photos to monitor your hair? say every three or six months...

I didn't in the early stages and regret like a mofo now.

And for the record copper peptides has been a useful addition to my regimen. It was Squeegee who gave me the idea about 18 months back to mix some in with my minoxidil, since then, about 18 months ago, I have had some regrowth of downy hair with a few darker terminal hairs showing up on the side of my head. Nothing that will blow your socks off, but nevetheless it has had a positive effect.

Still too skint to buy some proxiphen Bryan, but still planning on it once i've cleared some debts, and looking forward to testing it out.

Peace

 

[purecontrol]

A revolutionary, new Japanese process now allows SOD to be absorbed
into the blood orally – before the SOD enters the stomach
(and thus becomes degraded). Simply empty the contents of a Vcap
under your tongue and the SOD is absorbed within a few seconds
into systemic circulation.
This process is far superior to gliadin-coated SOD that attempts to
enteric-coat the SOD to protect it from degradation. (Also, gliadin
is derived from wheat, a possible allergen for many individuals.)

http://www.phpure.com/nutrition_products/pdfs/SOD_Q.pdf

Good find, now do you guys know the different between Cu/Zn and Mn SOD and which is in this product?

 

[Jacob]

That one says "Manganese-Based"

Wik's page on SOD talks about the differences: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superoxide_dismutase

BTW..for anyone interested in this stuff... https://www.longnaturalhealth.com/products.asp has 20% off for the month of May on Premier products. You have to email them or call when you place your order. There may be a cheaper source out there too :dunno:

 

[squeegee]

A revolutionary, new Japanese process now allows SOD to be absorbed
into the blood orally – before the SOD enters the stomach
(and thus becomes degraded). Simply empty the contents of a Vcap
under your tongue and the SOD is absorbed within a few seconds
into systemic circulation.
This process is far superior to gliadin-coated SOD that attempts to
enteric-coat the SOD to protect it from degradation. (Also, gliadin
is derived from wheat, a possible allergen for many individuals.)

http://www.phpure.com/nutrition_products/pdfs/SOD_Q.pdf

Good find Jacob!

 

[squeegee]

ANy other ways to boot the Superoxide Dismutase activity??

to test the hypothesis that SOD/gliadin improves antioxidant defenses in humans as well as animals, German scientists subjected 20 volunteers to an hour of hyperbaric oxygen treatment. During the procedure, 100% oxygen was forced into the bloodstream at two and a half times the normal atmospheric pressure. Hyperbaric oxygen treatment, though medically necessary on occasion, is known to induce oxidative stress. This stress may be quantified by measuring breaks that occur in strands of DNA and by monitoring levels of isoprostanes, which indicate oxidative damage to cellular membranes. Hyperbaric oxygen treatment is also known to reduce levels of antioxidant enzymes, such as red blood cell SOD and catalase.41 In a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study, scientists demonstrated that supplementation with SOD/gliadin significantly decreased the oxidative damage resulting from hyperbaric oxygen treatment. The investigators found that an orally effective SOD/wheat gliadin mixture can protect against DNA damage, while also preventing elevations in isoprostane levels. These findings suggest that SOD may therefore be considered a powerful antioxidant.4

A previous experiment by another research team also found that hyperbaric oxygen treatment induces breaks in DNA strands. In an effort to reduce this oxidative damage, the scientists administered oral antioxidants such as vitamin E or N-acetylcysteine prior to treatment, but these measures failed to protect against oxidative damage induced by hyperbaric oxygen treatment. This discrepancy would seem to indicate that effective protection against oxidative stress requires increased levels of the primary antioxidant SOD, as opposed to a boost in secondary antioxidant levels.42 Conclusion

Primary antioxidants such as superoxide dismutase are our first and most important line of defense against highly reactive, potentially destructive oxygen-derived free radicals. Researchers believe that SOD decreases with aging,43,44 and evidence suggests that boosting falling SOD levels may help guard against disease and extend life span.45


Two Studies, Striking Results

Although SOD’s benefits are well established, an orally ingested supplement that can boost SOD levels has eluded scientists for decades. After initial research revealed impressive results, however, Life Extension conducted two pilot studies (one open-label trial, one placebo-controlled trial) to help determine whether a novel plant-based extract called SODzyme™—derived from the sprouts of corn, soy, and wheat—could boost the body’s endogenous SOD levels and reduce chronic pain in aging adults.

Because free radicals are thought to contribute to chronic pain, it thus follows that antioxidants may offer pain relief. SOD activity in the blood lowers levels of the superoxide radical, which in turn diminishes levels of the inflammatory agent, hydrogen peroxide.

In the first open-label Life Extension study, 12 middle-aged volunteers of both sexes took 2000 mg daily of SODzymeâ„¢ for two weeks. SODzymeâ„¢ boosted serum SOD levels by 30% on average while lowering blood levels of hydrogen peroxide by 47%.22 This is significant, because hydrogen peroxide may contribute to the inflammation of arthritis. While immune cells use bursts of hydrogen peroxide to kill viruses and bacteria, excess hydrogen peroxide may contribute to inflammation and arthritis.23,24

The 12 subjects in this study, whose average age was 58, did not suffer from arthritis but were beginning to experience normal age-related decline in their SOD levels. Two weeks of oral SODzymeâ„¢ supplementation restored their serum and blood levels of SOD to youthful parameters. Furthermore, supplementation with SODzymeâ„¢ boosted activity of blood catalase, another crucial antioxidant enzyme, by an impressive 47%.22 If these subjects continue to use SODzymeâ„¢ and thus maintain or further boost their blood levels of SOD, they should remain well protected against arthritic diseases, as suggested by the numerous studies correlating low SOD levels with pain and arthritis.9-11

A second pilot study (placebo-controlled) conducted by Life Extension examined SODzyme™’s effects on adults diagnosed with inflammatory conditions such as arthritis. This placebo-controlled, 3-arm study involving 30 subjects over 4 weeks tested placebo, probiotic SODzyme™ and non-probiotic SODzyme™. A dramatic 71% response (clinically defined as a meaningful decrease in pain as measured by a validated pain assessment instrument) in the probiotic SODzyme™ group vs. a 30% response in the non-probiotic group was observed. No differences were observed in the placebo group. One of the study’s most remarkable findings was that those who were suffering the most pain at the study’s onset experienced the greatest pain relief benefit from SODzyme™.25


We need to find supplements to boost SOD, Catalase and gluthatione..
[youtube:36inviyv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqzALkJYbiM[/youtube:36inviyv]


LOL!

 

[purecontrol]

That one says "Manganese-Based"

Wik's page on SOD talks about the differences: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superoxide_dismutase

BTW..for anyone interested in this stuff... https://www.longnaturalhealth.com/products.asp has 20% off for the month of May on Premier products. You have to email them or call when you place your order. There may be a cheaper source out there too :dunno:

Right it say on the ingredients, however I am not sure that mean it is MnSOD.

Superoxide Dismutase (Manganese-based enzymes)

For those that are interested I can refer you to a place that has both Cu/ZN and MN injectable SOD. You inject it every 4-6 days with a insulin syringe, this is the only 100% way to increase your SOD levels. Further more they have available injectable glutathione.

 

[squeegee]

That one says "Manganese-Based"

Wik's page on SOD talks about the differences: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superoxide_dismutase

BTW..for anyone interested in this stuff... https://www.longnaturalhealth.com/products.asp has 20% off for the month of May on Premier products. You have to email them or call when you place your order. There may be a cheaper source out there too :dunno:

Right it say on the ingredients, however I am not sure that mean it is MnSOD.

Superoxide Dismutase (Manganese-based enzymes)

For those that are interested I can refer you to a place that has both Cu/ZN and MN injectable SOD. You inject it every 4-6 days with a insulin syringe, this is the only 100% way to increase your SOD levels. Further more they have available injectable glutathione.

Hey where is that place? Why bother with sod when GLutathione is way more powerful?? Anyways I want both! Is it online?? unk:

 

[Jacob]

You may want to be careful with the injections :dunno:

GliSODin and the others do work..if you don't care to go the injection route. Same for glutathione..there's OSR#1- https://www.ctiscience.com

Protect 120- http://www.martinavenueshops.com/proddetail.asp?prod=1891

And StimuCap for your head- http://www.in-cosmetics.com/ExhibitorLibrary/153/STIMUCAP_BROCHURE_2.pdf

Another oral product(I've seen it at VitaCost)- http://www.kyowa-usa.com/setria-product-specifications.html

Livonlabs.com has their liposomal glut. As does this other company..in combos as well(seems they're moving from liquids to softgels): http://www.letstalkhealth.com/Symplex-C-420-Soft-Gel-Capsules-p/621.htm

I took this for some time..had a buy one get one free deal- http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU312/ItemDetail

 

[Mopless]

Yes, that's what I was thinking as well. I mean, I'm sure its great for hair. However I never considered it potent enough to make any real difference in hair. If a non-fda product recommends to use another fda approved hair-loss product in combination for "best" results, I immediately assume it's a cash scam and will be as effective as water.

Huh?? Didn't you read about those trials I just posted?!

No, I read them. I just find it extremely hard to believe copper peptides would have any noticeable results for hair on its own. I mean... they are saying it gave better results then 2% minoxidil. If that were true, then surely people would post pics of what copper peptides did for them, but I never see any. So it's just hard for me to swallow, is all.

On a side note, I did hear Tin peptides are supposedly better for hair then Copper peptides. Any truth to those rumors?

 

[Jacob]

Protect120 is a new product launched at the biggest anti-aging event in the US called A4M in Las Vegas.

Glutathione is the next big trend - it's supposed to be the most powerful antioxidant. It's crucial for health and longevity. According to the founder (Joseph Sugarman), GSH cannot be taken as a supplement as it gets destroyed in the stomach. Does it mean that all the thousands of oral GSH on the market do not work? No according to Sugarman. Transdermal delivery works better for GSH. But Protect120 can not be advertised as a supplement so it's pretty tricky. It has to say: "Protect120 is intended for cosmetics benefits to the skin only".

http://in-trend-ltd.com/blog/category/vitamins/

 

[squeegee]

Protect120 is a new product launched at the biggest anti-aging event in the US called A4M in Las Vegas.

Glutathione is the next big trend - it's supposed to be the most powerful antioxidant. It's crucial for health and longevity. According to the founder (Joseph Sugarman), GSH cannot be taken as a supplement as it gets destroyed in the stomach. Does it mean that all the thousands of oral GSH on the market do not work? No according to Sugarman. Transdermal delivery works better for GSH. But Protect120 can not be advertised as a supplement so it's pretty tricky. It has to say: "Protect120 is intended for cosmetics benefits to the skin only".

http://in-trend-ltd.com/blog/category/vitamins/

That protect 120 looks promising.. unk: so much crap on the market.. I am taking NAC right now with MSM every day..so by detoxifying the liver you are boosting the glutathione? I will probably go with GLisodin again.. Vitacost has a cheap 500mg one.. http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-GliSODin-SO ... t-Catalyst
for the SOD and Glycine L-glutamine and NAC or cystein petide for Glutathione.. They keep saying that Selenium with NAC is the best? f*** me lol what a pain in the arse..too much choice not enough studies. :gay:


Glutathione patches??? http://www.nanotechenergizer.com/yage-l ... -skin-care

 

[purecontrol]

That one says "Manganese-Based"

Wik's page on SOD talks about the differences: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superoxide_dismutase

BTW..for anyone interested in this stuff... https://www.longnaturalhealth.com/products.asp has 20% off for the month of May on Premier products. You have to email them or call when you place your order. There may be a cheaper source out there too :dunno:

Right it say on the ingredients, however I am not sure that mean it is MnSOD.

Superoxide Dismutase (Manganese-based enzymes)

For those that are interested I can refer you to a place that has both Cu/ZN and MN injectable SOD. You inject it every 4-6 days with a insulin syringe, this is the only 100% way to increase your SOD levels. Further more they have available injectable glutathione.

Hey where is that place? Why bother with sod when GLutathione is way more powerful?? Anyways I want both! Is it online?? unk:

teamliferesearch@yahoo.com

He sales a lot of different research chemicals, ie duta, maybe even some RU. The catch is that you can't be saying that they are for human use even though that is what the intended use is for. That is how he is able to distribute those items without getting in trouble with the FDA and etc.

You can ask him for a list of products. For example I purchase a 120ml bottle of glutathione for like $1.00 per mL. I take 1mL after every workout, and it feels amazing. I also purchased some Cu/Zn SOD, can't remember the price, and it worked really well for my hair, but I stopped that to try out the glutathione, next I will combine the two.

Here is the website: http://www.teamliferesearch.com/

Here is his email: teamliferesearch@yahoo.com

I have delt with the company for some 10 years

Just tell him that Jackson refered you, and that you are interested in research chemicals. He can even order in research chemicals that he does not have, he is a chemist working on his PhD. So he can axis almost anything.