stop and think about the other guys in your tier

[hellouser]

I'm the same way. I'm pretty numb to model-level girls but the girls I've been crazy about appearance-wise would be considered "average", or less than average. I guess my point with my rant is that too many people on here complain about how "shallow" women are. But the same guys are pining for the hottest model-looking women out there without giving a second thought to an "average" woman, as if being with an average woman is such a horrible thing. I think that's a huge double standard that's also created by the media and social networking. The coolest and most down-to-earth people out there are the ones that aren't hyper-obsessed with their appearance.

And yet here we are on Hair Loss Talk, obsessing over our own appearance

 

[2tite2014]

Adding to Joan's comment, Exodus' posts can hit pretty hard. I really, really hope he tries out a hair system. He has nothing to lose at this point other than a bit of money and time. They're not a perfect solution by any means, it may not bring him complete internal peace, but a system may bring him just enough hope and confidence to get himself on his feet and out of this dark hole he's in.

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And yet here we are on Hair Loss Talk, obsessing over our own appearance

Yup. I'm fortunate in that I've never been quite hyper-focused on my appearance, and that I've made tons of friends from so many walks of life, hot or not. I think a lot of people's attitudes on here are fabricated by people's descriptions from the internet... the whole "alpha" vs "beta" male is such bullcrap but it's become so pervasive in a lot of young guy's minds from the internet and it seems to really just exacerbate the pain of hairloss. But I was unfortunate and dumb enough to let my hair go and it took me to get to norwood 3 to realize how important my hair is to me. I shaved my head a couple times and HATED it. I look doofy and I just can't see myself as a bald guy. But unfortunately if all else fails then I may just have to bite the bullet and accept it, but if that time comes I can at least go out knowing that most of the issue is me with myself in that regard. Some of you guys talk about becoming practically social pariahs because of your hairloss... I haven't experienced the same thing whatsoever, shaved or not, so I guess I'm lucky in that regard? So here I am . Hopefully finasteride gives me some results over the course of the year, but we'll see. And I don't really believe it but I REALLY hope you're right about those German guys having "the cure". It's wishful thinking and I have serious, serious, serious doubts but man what a Christmas gift if you turned out to be right.

 

[hellouser]

And I don't really believe it but I REALLY hope you're right about those German guys having "the cure". It's wishful thinking and I have serious, serious, serious doubts but man what a Christmas gift if you turned out to be right.

Dr. Gerd Lindner said it himself they can create follicles from about 30 biopsies. The cure really is there... the problem is society.

 

[winnyblues]

Id do bad crimes for a cure for hair loss

 

[Exodus2011]

a hair system is not realistic. i would be paranoid 24/7 about being caught

plus the issue of telling people i am wearing one would be hell

 

[2tite2014]

I don't know, these look pretty freakin realistic http://www.northwestlace.com/Photos.html. You won't know until you try. And from what I've read from other people's experiences with these, people finding out turns out to not be such a big deal.

 

[shookwun]

It looks realistic but the thought of wearing a piece is disturbing.



iv'e though about it many times, but it just isn't plausible being a young man wearing a rug.

 

[VeprSuper]

How does one determine their "tier"?

 

[2tite2014]

It looks realistic but the thought of wearing a piece is disturbing.



iv'e though about it many times, but it just isn't plausible being a young man wearing a rug.

Maybe it wouldn't be so disturbing if you didn't think of it as wearing a "rug". And there are plenty of early-20 year olds that wear pieces flawlessly. Just look around hair systems forums.

 

[Notcoolanymore]

Simple, women reactions as usual, the only way to know your true value as a man.

Have women ever openly flirted with you on a regular basis? You're top tier.

Do you have success with women when you open them? You're above average.

Do you rarely have success with women? Like only one night stands while the girl is very drunk? You're below average.

Do women are disgusted by you or try to get away as quickly as possible when you talk to them? You're in the bottom tier.

Thanks for that. Nice way to start my day. I'll leave this place on a good note. See you guys later.

 

[hellouser]

I don't know, these look pretty freakin realistic http://www.northwestlace.com/Photos.html. You won't know until you try. And from what I've read from other people's experiences with these, people finding out turns out to not be such a big deal.

I don't care how good those options look. Wearing a fucking wig is unacceptable. It's 2015. Researchers have had 44 years with stem cells from follicles. Lausters team claimed 'within 5 years' 5 years ago for the holy grail and they still dont have investors. Hell, their work goes back to AT LEAST 2008.

Accepting the wig option is basically saying 'We dont need a cure, we're fine with this shit stone age solutions.'

 

[Exodus2011]

yea definitely hellouser. it's ****ing primitive

and by "tier" i also meant "subculture" or "group" of guys you fit into. you know, the same guys you would be competing with for jobs and girlfriends and such. you could become friends with them or make them your rivals

it just gets me so ****ing down that baldness makes you lower than your rivals by default, without even beginning to compare other things :box:

 

[2tite2014]

Your attitudes are kind of amazing to me. Some of you guys will spend so much money and time experimenting on yourselves with grey-market experimental chemicals, and sit around and just hope that they work. Fred went so far as to pay some doctor THOUSANDS of dollars to have him surgically puncture hair from the back of his head and inject it onto his scalp. And that's all not-barbaric and cool right? But GOD FORBID somebody go and tape some hair to their own heads, no matter how realistic it might look. If Exodus is NW5-6 already, how much do you think medical treatments or surgery going to do for him at this point? Probably next to nothing. How long do you think a cure will take to get out for the public? There's cool stuff coming down the pipeline, but I'd be surprised if we see anything any time soon. Is he supposed to live in misery just waiting? A hair system is his only realistic option at this point. Is he supposed to spend the rest of his life on these forums, moping about his hairloss and just wallowing in his misery for the rest of his life? You talk about "dignity" but the poor kid spends his life hiding under a hat because he can't face his baldness. Is he supposed to be miserable his whole life hiding under a hat? All I'm suggesting is that he TRY a hair system. He has nothing to lose and potentially everything to gain. It may not COMPLETELY change his life per se, it may not be perfect, but if he tries it and gets somewhat comfortable with it it could give him just a bit more confidence he needs to push on in life. But he'll never know if he doesn't try.

 

[2tite2014]

I read chunks of that argument and I remember you kept constantly bringing up how bad your dad's toupee is/was, as if that was even relevant. You're citing 1 guy, and it sounds like he went to a Hair Club, which are notorious for being con artists and providing crappy pieces in the first place. He never posted a pic of his system so I have no idea what it looks like so I can't even really be objective here in that regard, but I'll take his word for it. But anyway, just because the hair systems subforums on general hairloss cites get less attention than the other subforums doesn't mean anything. Did it ever occur to that system wearers generally prefer to congegrate on dedicated forums? Or that successful wearers are out living their lives instead of living on forums? I don't think it's even worth arguing about this with you. You're just going to cite a couple bad cases (which obviously can and do happen), and if I point out all the successful cases you'll just call them shills for their respective suppliers.

 

[shookwun]

I read chunks of that argument and I remember you kept constantly bringing up how bad your dad's toupee is/was, as if that was even relevant. You're citing 1 guy, and it sounds like he went to a Hair Club, which are notorious for being con artists and providing crappy pieces in the first place. He never posted a pic of his system so I have no idea what it looks like so I can't even really be objective here in that regard, but I'll take his word for it. But anyway, just because the hair systems subforums on general hairloss cites get less attention than the other subforums doesn't mean anything. Did it ever occur to that system wearers generally prefer to congegrate on dedicated forums? Or that successful wearers are out living their lives instead of living on forums? I don't think it's even worth arguing about this with you. You're just going to cite a couple bad cases (which obviously can and do happen), and if I point out all the successful cases you'll just call them shills for their respective suppliers.

Are you even a wearer yourself or just speaking on behalf of what you read, and seen?

 

[2tite2014]

Not a wearer, just basing on what I've read and seen. I have a system that I might try out at some point. Could be awesome, could be a disaster. I'm not trying to peddle systems as some sort of perfect solution to hairloss, because they're definitely not. I'm only suggesting that somebody in Exodus' position give it a shot at least once in his life.

 

[Exodus2011]

i couldn't deal with the embarassment

i'm not gonna lie, i have read plenty of cases on the forums where young bald guys live their lives with a piece. but i don't have the mental constitution to do it

i would be paranoid ALL THE TIME. and eventually YOU WILL BE FOUND OUT. you are gonna have to tell people eventually. i'll still be bald, i'll just be seen as a bald guy with a wig on his head

 

[shookwun]

Just drop body fat and have a reverse flip image - beard. :laugh:

 

[2tite2014]

Do you have anybody/family/friends/someone trustworthy that you could talk about this with? Just say something like "hey what do you think about this?" and show some before/afters of people with systems. I don't know you personally or the people you know, so take this with a grain of salt, but you might be surprised at what they think. I don't wear myself at this point but I've done this myself. Everybody I've mentioned it to go from "a wig? really?" to "holy crap how is that even possible" after they see the results you can get. Will it work for you? I don't know, and obviously you don't either. I don't know if it will even work for me. I'm sure as hell not guaranteeing miracles or that it will "cure" you, but you just won't know until you try.

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I don't get the joke if it is one but that guy actually looks good with the shaved head + beard.

 

[CaptainForehead]

i would be paranoid ALL THE TIME. and eventually YOU WILL BE FOUND OUT. you are gonna have to tell people eventually. i'll still be bald, i'll just be seen as a bald guy with a wig on his head

That is the major problem. It is acceptable for women to wear wigs, but not for guys.