switching to dutasteride... a little help (jayman?)

[hair today gone tomorrow]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":57869]

Every other day should inhibit ROUGHLY 95% of dht....while everyday will inhibit around 98.5%

No. Every other day will cut DHT production by the type II 5AR enzyme by 95%. Every day will cut DHT production by the type II 5AR enzyme by 95%. it is important to not say just DHT because there is type I 5AR as well.

every other day will cut total dht production by 95%..

your saying it will ONLY CUT DHT production by the type II 5 AR enzyme by 95%

I can say just DHT...B/C ITS TOTAL SERUM DHT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT...it doesnt matter what enzyme is being suppressed to reach those levels

I think your the one trying to pull a fast one[/i]

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Actually im not, kid. You are. You are still claiming that but Bryan is correct and he was correct in saying that my post was correct. When you take Avodart every day, TOTAL SERUM DHT is reduced by 90-93%. Not the 95% and 98.5% that you claim. Those are the measurements for 5ar2 reduction, and doesn't take into account 5ar1. You can't just ignore the presence of 5ar1 even if there are miniscule or zero amounts of it in the follicle. When you use terms like TOTAL DHT and TOTAL SERUM DHT you have to include it in your measurements.

you are wrong.[/quote:57869]

Go back to my original post...i did not use the term total dht or total serum dht...i said dht....serum dht doesnt matter for hair loss (or matters very little).

I should have put dht in the follicle.....

I misunderstood your point after that....I THOUGHT that you had something mixed up but I interpreted it wrong.

 

[Guest]

When you say DHT, TOTAL DHT is implied.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

When you say DHT, TOTAL DHT is implied.

your gonna give me sh*t about that....do you want me to go back and find YOUR posts about you claiming 98.5% of DHT is suppressed on finasteride without mention of the word hair follicle OR 5arII....? if you want me to I will.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

ok...I think we misunderstood each other.

I had thought that dutasteride reduced TOTAL DHT in the follicle by 98.5%
and that EOD reducted it by 95%

nice edit job, too bad i quoted it for posterity after your attacks on me in an attempt to make me look stupid.

we didn't misunderstand each other.

again, your original quote:

Every other day should inhibit ROUGHLY 95% of dht....while everyday will inhibit around 98.5%

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

Don't say we misunderstood each other. You continued to insist that I was wrong and then after Bryan jumped in, someone who knows more about it than I do, and judging by your posts in this thread, a lot more than you do, you insisted that he misunderstood and that I was wrong.

Pathetic.

No...you dont understand...what i thought you were arguing was that when graphs are giving dht suppression %'s they are referring to 5arII suppression and NOT TOTAL suppression.

Like when we are saying 98.5% of dht is suppressed in the scalp...that is TOTAL DHT reading in the scalp and NOT ONLY the reading of the dht suppressed by the 5arII enzyme.

Actually....you jumped on my throat in this thread trying to make me look bad...thats fine tho...Bryan does know more than me about hair loss...I can admit that.

I know the numbers...Ive read up on dutasteride and finasteride for a long time now.

 

[Guest]

When you say DHT, TOTAL DHT is implied.

your gonna give me $#iT about that....do you want me to go back and find YOUR posts about you claiming 98.5% of DHT is suppressed on finasteride without mention of the word hair follicle OR 5arII....? if you want me to I will.

if i made those posts i made them a long time ago. but either way, if someone called me out on a mistake then, i wouldn't attack them for it like you did. sorry biggest

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

When you say DHT, TOTAL DHT is implied.

your gonna give me $#iT about that....do you want me to go back and find YOUR posts about you claiming 98.5% of DHT is suppressed on finasteride without mention of the word hair follicle OR 5arII....? if you want me to I will.

if i made those posts i made them a long time ago. but either way, if someone called me out on a mistake then, i wouldn't attack them for it like you did. sorry biggest

Well...since you admited to it...im not gonna go searching for them
plus i had to attack you...we are enemies
:lol:

 

[Guest]

this whole thing is getting very old.

 

[I_Hate_DHT]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":0094e]

When you say DHT, TOTAL DHT is implied.

your gonna give me $#iT about that....do you want me to go back and find YOUR posts about you claiming 98.5% of DHT is suppressed on finasteride without mention of the word hair follicle OR 5arII....? if you want me to I will.

if i made those posts i made them a long time ago. but either way, if someone called me out on a mistake then, i wouldn't attack them for it like you did. sorry biggest

Well...since you admited to it...im not gonna go searching for them
plus i had to attack you...we are enemies
:lol:[/quote:0094e]


man, don't waste your time with that ***-hole "jayman"...

he just want to upset people.. he has more than 7000 posts which clearly states that he has no life. :lol: and 90% of those 7000 posts are things like "ron paul" or "haha"... :lol:

 

[mbehr22]

Can you two just tell me one thing: will dutasteride, regardless of regimen (ED, EOD, 2 or 1 off) regrow my hair?

Im seeing some results on finasteride and Ive been on it for almost a year. The top is still thin, but im getting a few long isolated hairs along my orig hairline on the temples ...

my thinking is if finasteride does this, i cant imagine how i would respond to dutasteride... is that the right way to think? does that make sense?

You guys are the experts.

 

[Guest]

Hey, if I was psychic, I could make a lot more money and wouldn't spend as much time on here giving advice. There's no way to know how you will respond to dutasteride unless you try it. Everyone is different. Bryan seems to think and I agree that there's really no way someone would be a worse responder to dutasteride than to finasteride, but that doesn't mean that you will get more regrowth with dutasteride on top of what you got with finasteride. It should provide better maintenance though.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

Hey, if I was psychic, I could make a lot more money and wouldn't spend as much time on here giving advice. There's no way to know how you will respond to dutasteride unless you try it. Everyone is different. Bryan seems to think and I agree that there's really no way someone would be a worse responder to dutasteride than to finasteride, but that doesn't mean that you will get more regrowth with dutasteride on top of what you got with finasteride. It should provide better maintenance though.

Im working on gettin some info...Peter Mac from hair loss help claims that finasteride could provide better results in some people....he said he has read studies and he is gonna look for some for me...if i get any ill post them up here.

 

[mbehr22]

please do...

thanks!!

 

[Guest]

yeah id really like to see those studies as well.

 

[mbehr22]

who is peter mac?

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

well he is busy now....actually he told me hed be busy for the next 2 weeks...so it looks like im gonna have to wait..

 

[paximperia]

Every other day did not work for me. I gave it over 6 months every other day and it did not work. Then, I took one every day and I noticed an improvement almost immediately. Every other day of Avodart is not better that 1 mg of finasteride. See this Web site and check out the graphs. http://www.dutasteride.org/dutasteride/ ... esults.htm

Those graphs are for 5mg of finasteride.

 

[mbehr22]

Every other day did not work for me. I gave it over 6 months every other day and it did not work. Then, I took one every day and I noticed an improvement almost immediately. Every other day of Avodart is not better that 1 mg of finasteride. See this Web site and check out the graphs. http://www.dutasteride.org/dutasteride/ ... esults.htm

Those graphs are for 5mg of finasteride.

does anyone actually take 5mg finasteride?

 

[phish]

the difference between 1mg finasteride and 5mg is not worth it. think its like 5 more percent or less to that degree of suppressing dht.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

Every other day did not work for me. I gave it over 6 months every other day and it did not work. Then, I took one every day and I noticed an improvement almost immediately. Every other day of Avodart is not better that 1 mg of finasteride. See this Web site and check out the graphs. http://www.dutasteride.org/dutasteride/ ... esults.htm

Those graphs are for 5mg of finasteride.

does anyone actually take 5mg finasteride?

I know guys that take 5mg EOD.