Topical Zinc Thymulin For The Treatments Of Androgenetic Alopecia

[Ollie]

Mate, I did not want to point fingers but you made me. The following paragraph is not to be understood as retribution but a simple advice for gullible, vulnerable baldies like me. I have empathy because I am one of them, unlike Zen’s position, mine is completely devoid of the possibility to create a profit for anybody.

I wanted this sh*t to be effective I really did, but as a academic with a decent understanding of statistics and analytics I had to force myself to read through it again. Not with my heart but utilizing pure ratio. It was painful because oh boy did this paper and these pictures disappoint.
I outlined the reasons very clearly in my earlier post. All I ask from anybody, is to read through it and ask himself if any reasonable objections to the points I raised have been made so far. Be it from Dr. Vickers, Georgie or Zen.

It only gets uglier from here.
I hate saying it, but in my eyes Zen and Georgie enact as sales people in disguise...call it shilling...call it guerilla marketing what have you.Read through the early posts of this thread and ask yourself if they are not using every trick in the book to inspire a group purchase, practically enacting as a snake oil merchant. Ask yourself if there is one better person to sell you that snake oil than a mildly thinning stacey with bdd, who blogs about her feelings constantly pics included, but is absent from the forum for days once I call her out. Ask yourself if the sudden price drop is not a result of them probing the appropriate price elasticity. Ask yourself if a normal member would be so invested in instigating a global group purchase , if it is a coincidence that they are both Australian and that they joined the forum at a similiar time.
Friend, be desperate but don’t be a f*****g retard.

Dude they were talking about arranging a group buy... the benefits they would reap are equal to whoever participate. No financial gain other than the economics of scale achieved.

Both probably dont bother replying because the only group buy that anyone is currently concerned with is PTD-DBM.

 

[Capone]

Honestly I tried being useful, pointing out logical reasons why this should work, giving anecdotal evidence of people that say it works for them, and I get called a shill and a f*****g Retard. So f*** it, I’ll keep the updates to myself since obviously they aren’t welcome on this board. You can thank @disfiguredyoungman for that.

Ahh the old reverse psychology trick lol, that doesn’t work around here. What does work though, is reverse miniaturisation! You got any of that?

 

[BaldAsshole]

Him saying this is a scam and me saying this isn’t a scam hold the same credibility - ZERO. Let the people decide for themselves. It would be nice if I wasn’t the only one trying this, the more the better. I’d like to have multiple people to compare results to. What do you have to gain by telling people not to try this? I really don’t understand the people on this forum sometimes. You said refrain yourselves until more is shown - how the hell are they supposed to wait until “more is shown” if nobody else is trying it.

What he wrote wasn't simply an opinion, he had really good points from a rational perspective that have not been rebated. I want a cure, but given that my believe at this point is that this doctor has not shown any evidence of his product working I feel that it is my duty to inform of that. Once the evidence is presented, I will be the one praising his work and buying his stuff. If we should try every product sold with no solid evidence of being a cure for baldness...

 

[BaldAsshole]

Also, if this was a scam, why would he tell me to wait for the price to drop from $800 to $290? Why wouldn't he take my money when I offered it right then and there? Why would he contact an independent peptide manufacturer? Why would he risk his reputation as one of the most established doctors in the field of stem cell research? Why would he spend a tremendous amount of money to purchase in international patent? just to scam a couple people for a few hundred bucks... I don't think so. That makes absolutely no sense. If he didn't truly believe in this product, he wouldn't risk all of that, yet alone purchase a patent. Otherwise, he would probably be losing money because patents are damn expensive.

inb4 "this is the next Brotzu"... Brotzu sold his patent to Fidia and made his money. On the other hand, Dr. Vickers paid for his patent after he saw what results it could bring. That's a huge difference. We don't have to deal with a shitty incompetent company with amateur scientists that refuse to give us updates. Instead, we have an actual study with (in my opinion) decent pictures, a true professional in his field that answers every email within a day, anecdotal reports within the last 2-3 years on bodybuilding forums that a thymulin peptide (tb500) has reversed users male pattern baldness when they used the peptide for training/recovery purposes... https://www.eroids.com/forum/hgh-peptides/peptides/my-experience-with-tb-500
The ones who cry "scam" are the ones that probably haven't researched or looked into what this peptide is actually used for. They see a couple of flaws in the study and dismiss it. Well I won't. *drops mic*

I know enough about the thymus that I have been fasting for years and using LLLT in order to keep it from shrinking. The study is not good, it is actually bad. This is an objective reality, it may work, I really hope it does, but the evidence is not promising at this point, and this should be said.

 

[BaldAsshole]

Honestly I tried being useful, pointing out logical reasons why this should work, giving anecdotal evidence of people that say it works for them, and I get called a shill and a f*****g Retard. So f*** it, I’ll keep the updates to myself since obviously they aren’t welcome on this board. You can thank @disfiguredyoungman for that.

He has presented logical arguments, you have presented tantrums and falacies, don't get so upset, this is not personal, I don't believe that you are a scammer, I just think that your hope is making you lose your objectivity and coolness, we are no enemies, we pursuit the same goal. I really wish that this is the cure, but I haven't seen any strong proof yet.

 

[Murkey Thumb]

Mate, I did not want to point fingers but you made me. The following paragraph is not to be understood as retribution but a simple advice for gullible, vulnerable baldies like me. I have empathy because I am one of them, unlike Zen’s position, mine is completely devoid of the possibility to create a profit for anybody.

I wanted this sh*t to be effective I really did, but as a academic with a decent understanding of statistics and analytics I had to force myself to read through it again. Not with my heart but utilizing pure ratio. It was painful because oh boy did this paper and these pictures disappoint.
I outlined the reasons very clearly in my earlier post. All I ask from anybody, is to read through it and ask himself if any reasonable objections to the points I raised have been made so far. Be it from Dr. Vickers, Georgie or Zen.

It only gets uglier from here.
I hate saying it, but in my eyes Zen and Georgie enact as sales people in disguise...call it shilling...call it guerilla marketing what have you.Read through the early posts of this thread and ask yourself if they are not using every trick in the book to inspire a group purchase, practically enacting as a snake oil merchant. Ask yourself if there is one better person to sell you that snake oil than a mildly thinning stacey with bdd, who blogs about her feelings constantly pics included, but is absent from the forum for days once I call her out. Ask yourself if the sudden price drop is not a result of them probing the appropriate price elasticity. Ask yourself if a normal member would be so invested in instigating a global group purchase , if it is a coincidence that they are both Australian and that they joined the forum at a similiar time.
Friend, be desperate but don’t be a f*****g retard.

This is nuts paranoia, there is no scam going on! If Zenhead was part of this so called scam why did he PM me yesterday asking for the website address? There will be no group buy with this product you can just purchase it directly from the website. Whether it works or not is open for discussion but there has been an actual study and 23 out of 24 responded very well. Dr Russel Vickers is a real stem cell doctor you can look him up very easily, email him if you want, phone him if you must!

 

[Murkey Thumb]

www.olympusmaxillofacialcare.com.au/our-specailists/

 

[ZenHead]

He has presented logical arguments, you have presented tantrums and falacies, don't get so upset, this is not personal, I don't believe that you are a scammer, I just think that your hope is making you lose your objectivity and coolness, we are no enemies, we pursuit the same goal. I really wish that this is the cure, but I haven't seen any strong proof yet.

Not once did I say this was the cure. Like I said, I'm not posting anymore updates because a few members here view my logic / anecdotal proof (with links) as "tantrums and fallacies". This is why some of the most useful members like Georgie, Idealforehead, Hellouser etc leave this forum. I'll be right behind them.

 

[BaldAsshole]

Not once did I say this was the cure. Like I said, I'm not posting anymore updates because a few members here view my logic / anecdotal proof (with links) as "tantrums and fallacies". This is why some of the most useful members like Georgie, Idealforehead, Hellouser etc leave this forum. I'll be right behind them.

See you, John Galt.

 

[INT]

Not once did I say this was the cure. Like I said, I'm not posting anymore updates because a few members here view my logic / anecdotal proof (with links) as "tantrums and fallacies". This is why some of the most useful members like Georgie, Idealforehead, Hellouser etc leave this forum. I'll be right behind them.

I did not call your links etc a fallacy. I called your reasoning of "If it would be a scam, why would the doctor do X" -thinking a fallacy because it is a fallacy, and the past has shown that this way of thinking is wrong (Brotzu anyone?)

Not posting anymore for the majority of the people that are interested in this because some people are critical is your own choice obviously but it is also a bit childish and selfish in my opinion. You don't have to answer to anyone that is critical you know...

IF this stuff you would work, YOU would deliberately not share this with others because some guys told you they had their doubts about the efficacy or the legitimacy of it?

 

[paracelsus]

I contacted Dr. Vickers and following are the updates:

1. The website is under construction. There won't be any group buys. Product will be sold through the product website.
2. Product launch is planned for next week..
3. Looks like there are going to be two versions: Standard deluxe grade($390) and Premium grade($625). Do not know the difference between the two.

This is an experimental treatment and we do not know much about its efficacy at this point but I am planning to try this for a year and see the outcome.

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

This is nuts paranoia, there is no scam going on! If Zenhead was part of this so called scam why did he PM me yesterday asking for the website address? There will be no group buy with this product you can just purchase it directly from the website. Whether it works or not is open for discussion but there has been an actual study and 23 out of 24 responded very well. Dr Russel Vickers is a real stem cell doctor you can look him up very easily, email him if you want, phone him if you must!

Which study are you referring to?

Vickers is a dental and oral surgeon with a degree in herbal medicine.
At the end of the day, whether you believe it to be a scam or not is not too important, important is that neither Vicker's study nor his pictures show any correlation between hair growth and the supposed treatment as soon as one removes all misleading variables. Somehow Dr. Vickers, who was so communicative before remains completely silence on these issues.
This is not only not the cure, but a completely ineffectual treatment according to all data we have been presented so far. You don't need to know more than that.
Highly suspicous behaviour from other members utilizing every sales trick in the book-we reached the huffy emotional blackmailing stage now- are simply the icing on the cake and I'd approach their advice with utter caution. But as I said before you don't even need to accept that to make an informed decision.
I told you guys everything you need to know, now think for yourself, I am not participating in a verbal popularity contest to stop you from wasting your own money.

 

[Janks16]

So much arguing. If someone wants to try a product for their hair, then go get it. If you're not convinced that a product is worth your time, then don't buy it. It's that simple.

 

[Joan]

Not once did I say this was the cure. Like I said, I'm not posting anymore updates because a few members here view my logic / anecdotal proof (with links) as "tantrums and fallacies". This is why some of the most useful members like Georgie, Idealforehead, Hellouser etc leave this forum. I'll be right behind them.

I think Idealforehead said he was going to distance himself from here once he recovered from his jaw surgery. I don’t think he ever planned to stick around because he halted his hair loss and wanted to focus on his life, if I remember correctly. I do hope he posts every now and then, though.

 

[Btg]

I think Idealforehead said he was going to distance himself from here once he recovered from his jaw surgery. I don’t think he ever planned to stick around because he halted his hair loss and wanted to focus on his life, if I remember correctly. I do hope he posts every now and then, though.

well honestly if you fix your hairloss issues there is no good reason to hang around here , so many people saying they got severe ed from using minoxidil once and so many others thinking of suiciding , it's just not good for your mental health !

 

[BaldAsshole]

Which study are you referring to?

Vickers is a dental and oral surgeon with a degree in herbal medicine.
At the end of the day, whether you believe it to be a scam or not is not too important, important is that neither Vicker's study nor his pictures show any correlation between hair growth and the supposed treatment as soon as one removes all misleading variables. Somehow Dr. Vickers, who was so communicative before remains completely silence on these issues.
This is not only not the cure, but a completely ineffectual treatment according to all data we have been presented so far. You don't need to know more than that.
Highly suspicous behaviour from other members utilizing every sales trick in the book-we reached the huffy emotional blackmailing stage now- are simply the icing on the cake and I'd approach their advice with utter caution. But as I said before you don't even need to accept that to make an informed decision.
I told you guys everything you need to know, now think for yourself, I am not participating in a verbal popularity contest to stop you from wasting your own money.

Thank you for doing this despite the negativity. You are the only one advocating reason.

 

[ZenHead]

http://www.nssdh.com.au/about-north-shore-day-hospital/our-surgeons/dr-russell-vickers

...but he’s a dentist...?

 

[ZenHead]

I hope you continue to update this thread man!

There’s really not much more I can say, It’ll be available next week so I guess we’ll find out the truth

 

[Murkey Thumb]

His PhD was in the molecular chemistry of peptides! Maybe we should ask him to make Brotzu!

 

[jared garnith]

There’s really not much more I can say, It’ll be available next week so I guess we’ll find out the truth

Good luck