Two Ugly, Balding Guys Surprised, Angry That Their Hot Girlfriends Are Cheating

[kj6723]

But my point remains true, men who can't reach the top 20% when it comes to looks looks (and I include height in looks as in tangible characteristic) are fucked if they want to pursue a genuine and solid relationship

 

[swingline747]

fake as sh*t.

 

[SmoothSailing]

But my point remains true, men who can't reach the top 20% when it comes to looks looks (and I include height in looks as in tangible characteristic) are fucked if they want to pursue a genuine and solid relationship.

Come on now, that's bullshit. I'd go as far as to say the top 80% can potentially achieve this.

How would you respond to an average guy with an average gf who challenges you on this? Would you tell him he's wrong and he doesn't have a genuine relationship?

Looks are paramount, fortunately most women will eventually sort themselves into their attractiveness category, or at least close to it.

I have two average looking mates (probably below average by US standards, certainly by lookism), one has been dating his average gf for 7 years, no issues. The other has a slightly below average gf and has had no issues for 4 years.

 

[Marky]

No physical attraction, no shared memories, no enduring bond.

We always go back to the same thing. Of course our looks will deteriorate with age but that goes for all of us.

She's old, you're old, both your sexual market values will drop to zero during your 50's no matter what.

So that's beside the point. You don't see people forming new genuine relationships in their 60's anyway (don't come at me with these rare exceptions you see on TV please).

Trying to date past your expiration date is seen as pathetic and desperate, no matter how many "love knows no age!" platitudes you spout. As Françoise Hardy would say when an interviewer asked her if she was still dating in her 60's:

"Oh you know, I shouldn't waste my words to say what's obvious, I mean look at me!"

I'll never forget that.

And she's aged pretty well in my opinion:

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well what about these 2 - 20 something dating 60 year old, their common cord is the acting profession, and she admits she likes older guys and always has. And not saying I'm justifying this, 40 years is much:

 

[jasonstatham]

I'm fed up by people who use the exception to demonstrate that there is no rule or that the rules don't matter.

Goddamn confirmation bias or sometimes ideological possession in the case of Muslims for example, somehow they're deeply convinced that rules don't matter because well, God decides, so even if you can prove that something is true in 99% of cases, they'll say it doesn't matter because it's the 1% cases that might manifest. Jesus, that justification fucked with my head for quite a while. In the end, it's just an assault on reality.

If you push the reasoning further, since science, reason, intuition, anecdotal reports, philosophy, well any of the tools we currently have at our disposal to describe and understand reality can't ever be 100% certain, well nothing is certain. But. God knows.

The reasoning the blue-pilled crowd and other hopeful betas will use is the same: "Look at this extremely rare exception, that means looks don't matter!" No, it means that you've just witnessed an exception to a very widespread and solid rule that's true cross-culturally. And as you say, you'll have more chance to be struck by lightning than to end up in a relationship with a hottie as an average balding Joe.

I can relate to that since I fall short of being Chad, I'm somewhere around a 6,5/10 facially, 6'3 and fit. So I can do very well with looksmatched girls, but I could always forget about model-looking girls. Lightning struck in my life once, and I ended up with an 8+ tall girl, boy it didn't last long, and the embarrassment when people inevitably asked (even my friends): "Man, how did you do that? You think you'll ever manage to do that again?"

Yeah I just got incredibly lucky, especially since I was sporting a slick NW5 at the time, so it was even more unlikely. It has never happened again since. And the relationship quickly burst into flames. Lessons learned: know your place. I still have fap-inducing memories of her, it will always be "that time I cheated the system somehow".

Post of the day. I have exactly the same experience. Im around the same 6/7 facial, fit but shorter than you. Im into Heavy Metal and sh*t and I can pull good looking Metal girls cause my competition is laughable (drunk as f***, low IQ, cant flirt etc) and I ended with a 8/9 that was modeling on the side. We did make professional pictures together, (I knew it was bad idea) and my best friend said to me: "it looks like you are her manager, not her boyfriend haha). I couldnt handle this women. The attention a very good looking women get, is beyond you can imagine. If you go to the toilet in a club/bar for 2min and come back, everytime some guy was trying to hit on her. Its too much work. Im now way more happy with a girl on similiar looks and other men aggree on that with me. To have a very good looking girlfriend isnt that fun. Get yourself a cute 6 or 7 (with effort everyone could do it) with a good background (both parents in her life, goes very little to none to clubs) and you are mostly fine.

 

[Marky]

Post of the day. I have exactly the same experience. Im around the same 6/7 facial, fit but shorter than you. Im into Heavy Metal and sh*t and I can pull good looking Metal girls cause my competition is laughable (drunk as f***, low IQ, cant flirt etc) and I ended with a 8/9 that was modeling on the side. We did make professional pictures together, (I knew it was bad idea) and my best friend said to me: "it looks like you are her manager, not her boyfriend haha). I couldnt handle this women. The attention a very good looking women get, is beyond you can imagine. If you go to the toilet in a club/bar for 2min and come back, everytime some guy was trying to hit on her. Its too much work. Im now way more happy with a girl on similiar looks and other men aggree on that with me. To have a very good looking girlfriend isnt that fun. Get yourself a cute 6 or 7 (with effort everyone could do it) with a good background (both parents in her life, goes very little to none to clubs) and you are mostly fine.

"The attention a very good looking women get, is beyond you can imagine. If you go to the toilet in a club/bar for 2min and come back, everytime some guy was trying to hit on her. Its too much work."

this is a good point and never really crossed my mind, I see why gyms have a woman's section only and not surprisingly most of the lookers stay on that side.

 

[jasonstatham]

well what about these 2 - 20 something dating 60 year old, their common cord is the acting profession, and she admits she likes older guys and always has. And not saying I'm justifying this, 40 years is much:

This is a women with a mental illness/troubling relationship to her own father. She does not have a father in her life (100 percent sure) or and had some sort of 0 emotion from her parents in her early years. I had women with daddy issues and they are very broken women. They told me they had men 20 years older and sh*t. All of them had no father or a father/mother with alcohol/mental problems.

This girl has like 50 videos trying to shovle you the idea that dating older men is right. She gets off of the commends: "you go girl, love finds its ways" etc etc. Her hamster wheel is spinning on overdrive. Its the same thing with a fat women making 120 videos about how fat girls are sexy. I dont see men doing that (or far less). You see fat men with channels: "fat is hot, get over it girls" or "balding men are sexy date me". We just accept (or not) and try to the best we can.

 

[jasonstatham]

"The attention a very good looking women get, is beyond you can imagine. If you go to the toilet in a club/bar for 2min and come back, everytime some guy was trying to hit on her. Its too much work."

this is a good point and never really crossed my mind, I see why gyms have a woman's section only and not surprisingly most of the lookers stay on that side.

Its not even that you get jealous, but it drains your energy. And to explain a women that "her guy friends" are so nice because they are waiting like vultures the day we breake up, is an other story. You cant red pill a women.

 

[Marky]

This is a women with a mental illness/troubling relationship to her own father. She does not have a father in her life (100 percent sure) or and had some sort of 0 emotion from her parents in her early years. I had women with daddy issues and they are very broken women. They told me they had men 20 years older and sh*t. All of them had no father or a father/mother with alcohol/mental problems.

This girl has like 50 videos trying to shovle you the idea that dating older men is right. She gets off of the commends: "you go girl, love finds its ways" etc etc. Her hamster wheel is spinning on overdrive. Its the same thing with a fat women making 120 videos about how fat girls are sexy. I dont see men doing that (or far less). You see fat men with channels: "fat is hot, get over it girls" or "balding men are sexy date me". We just accept (or not) and try to the best we can.

True but that's what their channel is about so you can expect repetition of the same theme.

 

[Saurabhaj]

Find a girl that feels pride in having you as her partner and you feel the same for her.

 

[MorningGlory]

No physical attraction, no shared memories, no enduring bond.

Of course the initial physical attraction was needed, but you wrote:

it's what's left when everything else goes to sh*t

And:

physical attraction will be the safety net that will save your relationships during those harsh times

Do old wrinkled couples still have that mutual physical attraction to fall back on? I’m not entirely dismissing what you’re saying, I just think you’re possibly being slightly reductive. I think there are social factors, such as our grandparents’ generation being more humble for a start.

I also want to question the intellectual value of the terms alpha and beta. I’ve used them, but what do they actually mean? It seems to have become a lazy way for men to categorise other men.

There’s a guy at work who fits all the superficial characteristics of an “alpha”, but when he opens his mouth he sounds like a nerd. A really disappointing, nasally voice which gives no presence. So what is he?

 

[Marky]

I'm fed up by people who use the exception to demonstrate that there is no rule or that the rules don't matter.

Goddamn confirmation bias or sometimes ideological possession in the case of Muslims for example, somehow they're deeply convinced that rules don't matter because well, God decides, so even if you can prove that something is true in 99% of cases, they'll say it doesn't matter because it's the 1% cases that might manifest. Jesus, that justification fucked with my head for quite a while. In the end, it's just an assault on reality.

If you push the reasoning further, since science, reason, intuition, anecdotal reports, philosophy, well any of the tools we currently have at our disposal to describe and understand reality can't ever be 100% certain, well nothing is certain. But. God knows.

The reasoning the blue-pilled crowd and other hopeful betas will use is the same: "Look at this extremely rare exception, that means looks don't matter!" No, it means that you've just witnessed an exception to a very widespread and solid rule that's true cross-culturally. And as you say, you'll have more chance to be struck by lightning than to end up in a relationship with a hottie as an average balding Joe.

I can relate to that since I fall short of being Chad, I'm somewhere around a 6,5/10 facially, 6'3 and fit. So I can do very well with looksmatched girls, but I could always forget about model-looking girls. Lightning struck in my life once, and I ended up with an 8+ tall girl, boy it didn't last long, and the embarrassment when people inevitably asked (even my friends): "Man, how did you do that? You think you'll ever manage to do that again?"

Yeah I just got incredibly lucky, especially since I was sporting a slick NW5 at the time, so it was even more unlikely. It has never happened again since. And the relationship quickly burst into flames. Lessons learned: know your place. I still have fap-inducing memories of her, it will always be "that time I cheated the system somehow".

Ya true for the most part, but too simplistic to reduce it to looks only. You might have got her because you caught her at the right time, place and mood. From there, the personality connection might have not been strong enough. Or she might have did her womanly analysis and decided you didn't have enough money or toys to keep her interested. The list could go on.

Simply based on looks you had her at hello - whatever her standards might be.

 

[kj6723]

It's another type of relationship, I know couples like these as well. They're fine, but it's another type of fine, as in fine with a lot of envy and possibly codependancy since they'll be both afraid of not ever making it again if they had to go back out there.

Which is why I think both parties will have a tendancy not to improve themselves and even letting themselves go. This is most people as you can see when you look around you.

They would have been more fine before the mass media era though. Even us non-Chads can feel like crap when we see how ridiculously easy top tier men have it.

Now is not a good time for average men, the pareto principle is working full-force and I think it's especially playing tricks on women's hypergamy.

I have friends that hoped for years to make it with hot girls, and ultimately ended up marrying average chicks. Some of them do genuinely seem to be happy. I can only think of one couple off the top of my head in which it is evident from comments both the man and woman make that they carry a level of resentment, and chip on the shoulder towards people with more options

But myself I find it difficult to build up any level of enthusiasm for a chick who is 5/10, which is why I am not dating now. My freetime is limited, and thus incredibly valuable to me. To give any of it up for someone I am not enthusiastic about seems like an absolute f*****g nightmare

I tip my hat to those who are able settle, and find contentment in what is available to them despite it not being what they had initially hoped for. They seem to find peace in the prospect of starting a family, even if it's with Plain Jane, who clearly wasn't their first, second, or even 3rd choice. Maybe someday I'll get desperate enough and think otherwise, and settle with a plain Jane of my own, but right now it seems like f*****g torture

 

[MorningGlory]

I have friends that hoped for years to make it with hot girls, and ultimately ended up marrying average chicks. Some of them do genuinely seem to be happy. I can only think of one couple off the top of my head in which it is evident from comments both the man and woman make that they carry a level of resentment, and chip on the shoulder towards people with more options

But myself I find it difficult to build up any level of enthusiasm for a chick who is 5/10, which is why I am not dating now. My freetime is limited, and thus incredibly valuable to me. To give any of it up for someone I am not enthusiastic about seems like an absolute f*****g nightmare

I tip my hat to those who are able settle, and find contentment in what is available to them despite it not being what they had initially hoped for. They seem to find peace in the prospect of starting a family, even if it's with Plain Jane, who clearly wasn't their first, second, or even 3rd choice. Maybe someday I'll get desperate enough and think otherwise, and settle with a plain Jane of my own, but right now it seems like f*****g torture

It’s post like these that keep me logging onto this website. The brutal (and often accurate) commentary on human interactions is hilarious.

I think the only reason to sacrifice your life that way is if you want children. If you’re sure you won’t have regrets about it later then you can probably leave Plain Jane alone.

All that troubles me is the moral aspect, in the sense I’m a nationalist who believes in the continuation of my people. If I don’t make my own contribution does it make me a hypocrite?

 

[Saulus]

yeah right a bitcoin millionair admits on cam that he is cheating and has no problem with it being uploaded

seems legit

 

[Marky]

I have friends that hoped for years to make it with hot girls, and ultimately ended up marrying average chicks. Some of them do genuinely seem to be happy. I can only think of one couple off the top of my head in which it is evident from comments both the man and woman make that they carry a level of resentment, and chip on the shoulder towards people with more options

But myself I find it difficult to build up any level of enthusiasm for a chick who is 5/10, which is why I am not dating now. My freetime is limited, and thus incredibly valuable to me. To give any of it up for someone I am not enthusiastic about seems like an absolute f*****g nightmare

I tip my hat to those who are able settle, and find contentment in what is available to them despite it not being what they had initially hoped for. They seem to find peace in the prospect of starting a family, even if it's with Plain Jane, who clearly wasn't their first, second, or even 3rd choice. Maybe someday I'll get desperate enough and think otherwise, and settle with a plain Jane of my own, but right now it seems like f*****g torture

I'm with you there brother, this has always been my sentiment towards dating - if it doesn't interest/excite you I have a hard time just going through the motions to say your dating. Sadly it's not often you cross paths with someone that catches your eye. I hardly have any relationship experience because of this, but if you have the right mindset of commitment going into the relationship I think it has a better chance for happiness than someone whose dated 5 people but none of them honestly excited them.

Then the biggest concern I have with it is while your dating this person you're ho hum about you miss opportunities that could be better for you, or what do you do with this person if you did meet someone else? I know the answer to that (F-off) but I have a hard time being that mean.

 

[Marky]

You can't find a relationship because you don't look low enough. And I'm not necessarily talking about lowering your standards.

If you're not taking what you could have, that's a shame, because you have to start somewhere, and it's not below if that's all you could have for the time being. And that seems to be the case since you can't find a viable alternative.

I lowered my threshold as low as I could, particularly before my first hair transplant, and even though I had to force myself sometimes, I don't regret it one bit, the girl was barely meeting my threshold, but with her I gained valuable experience for my next relationship, and so on.

Something is always better than nothing (just like some hair is always better than no hair), and I believe that goes for any endeavour in this life. You got to start somewhere, you got to be a fool and to make mistake, to f*** up, to try with the "wrong" girl so to speak.

I believe your mindset is an excuse and I don't blame you, it's common, I've used it many times for everything: "that job is below me!", "that girl is below me!", "collaborating with that musician would be below me!", let's just sit and wait for that job/girl that will finally match my true worth!

And the years pass, and you have nothing to show, zero, and consequently, you learn nothing, you make no progress, because you consider the opportunities that are right in front of you as not worthy of your time. In the meantime, an average joe could rack up experience with dozens of girls, make lots of mistake, and have hundreds of cool and fucked up stories to tell when he finally meets the girl of his dreams.

While the guy who proudly stayed single because he found all the girls around him boring... I guess you get my drift. Seize the opportunities that are in front of you. Or maybe this Carl Jung quote would speak more to you: "The reason people don't see God these days is because they're not looking low enough."

That was my self-help post of the day. 99€ for a private coaching session on Skype and 499€ to enroll in my bootcamp.

I see some advantages to your view on this stuff - but while you were typing and posted I just finished editing my post.

Please read the second half and advice - coach! This is the question few dare to answer, but it's because they don't want to say it:

 

[MorningGlory]

I have no problem dating “below” my standard (whatever that is). As long as she’s not fat, makes some effort with her hair, and has a reasonable dress sense I will find some attraction there. I’m 34 and still attract girls in their midtwenties, so that by itself almost upgrades them a point for me.

The problem is dating is f*****g boring. I regularly go for coffees with women, and I don’t lack confidence in asking women out. I even went on a date with someone I kept passing in the street. But it’s all so dull, and often anticlimactic. I need someone whose on my wavelength more than anything else.

 

[infinitepain]

Hair

 

[blackg]

"The reason people don't see God these days is because they're not looking low enough."

What does this mean exactly, Fred?

That people have too high an opinion of their own self-worth? That way, ignoring God?