Two Ugly, Balding Guys Surprised, Angry That Their Hot Girlfriends Are Cheating

[CaptainForehead]

But my point remains true, men who can't reach the top 20% when it comes to looks looks (and I include height in looks as in tangible characteristic) are fucked if they want to pursue a genuine and solid relationship.

You've again changed your outlook? You used to say this, then you changed your viewpoint and said most of the guys can have a solid relationship (with looksmatched), now you're back to bottom 80% guys being fucked.

 

[CaptainForehead]

. Lightning struck in my life once, and I ended up with an 8+ tall girl,

How tall?

Do you internet stalk her still?

 

[CaptainForehead]

1m78, and she was always wearing heels.

Damn dude, an amazonian goddess

Who did she end up with? What is her life like now?

 

[IdealForehead]

I have no problem dating “below” my standard (whatever that is). As long as she’s not fat, makes some effort with her hair, and has a reasonable dress sense I will find some attraction there. I’m 34 and still attract girls in their midtwenties, so that by itself almost upgrades them a point for me.

The problem is dating is f*****g boring. I regularly go for coffees with women, and I don’t lack confidence in asking women out. I even went on a date with someone I kept passing in the street. But it’s all so dull, and often anticlimactic. I need someone whose on my wavelength more than anything else.

You must be pretty above average looking and likely white if you can pull this off. Getting a slim girl in her 20s is HARD. The competition is incredible and they've always got some low level Chad knocking on their doors.

If i message this demographic online I'm lucky to get a 1/30 - 1/35 reply rate. On the street or at bars they make it clear they dont want to talk to me.

If i could get what you're describing I wouldn't be chopping myself up surgically and planning more.

Your malaise from too much supply of easy access to slim women is something most of us will never experience.

 

[fixthis]

Relatively socially aware guy here, those videos are all fake.

But my point remains true, men who can't reach the top 20% when it comes to looks looks (and I include height in looks as in tangible characteristic) are fucked if they want to pursue a genuine and solid relationship.

There's a certain effortlessness in my current relationship that's provided by my looks and height. Of course I still need to be attentive, to learn not to be a dick to her, to have my sh*t together etc. But I'm never feeling like I'm fighting an uphill battle to keep her interested.

And as I've said before, physical attraction is the real cornerstone of a romantic relationship, it's what's left when everything else goes to sh*t, and with the stress of your respective daily lives, the burden of rising children, the tragedies of life, you can be sure that it's coming, it's very hard for to couple not to end up being at each other's throat when it becomes all too much, and I believe genuine physical attraction will be the safety net that will save your relationships during those harsh times.

The guys who have it backwards, who think they can make up for their lack of looks, height or hair by working on themselves, by increasing their status, by learning the Venusian Arts ( @shookwun ), those are the guys who will get destroyed when those difficult times come. I've always known this intuitively, when I witness a harsh divorce happening around me, the guy's almost always an overweight balding beta male. To the point that you completely understand why his wife is running away from him with a look of disgust on her face.

I'm not saying I disagree with this, I think it's a decent analysis. The question is what should the remaining 80% of us do, just blast our faces off?

 

[IdealForehead]

I'm not saying I disagree with this, I think it's a decent analysis. The question is what should the remaining 80% of us do, just blast our faces off?

His cynicism is based on his own good life and not being able to imagine enjoying having a life where you simply have to work harder for sex/women.

He believes below average men should mostly just quit on women and engage in hobbies but this is impossible. We will all always chase women because it's biological.

Some people have better lives than others. That doesnt mean you can't find happiness in a mediocre life. Even if a girl will never love you as much as a Chad, so what? It can still feel real when she looks in your eyes, smiles at your jokes and twirls her hair.

You learn to appreciate the small things more when you come from a position of scarcity. Guys like morningglory as noted above just get bored with women in a way we never will.

All you can do is work the numbers game, try to be less unattractive, and appreciate what you get along the way. Thats all any of us can do. And if you want to know what a beautiful girl feels like in bed, save up some money and pay for it. I haven't quite gotten to this step yet but will if my surgeries don't improve my outcomes sufficiently.

Theres a reason it's the oldest profession.

 

[blackg]

1m78, and she was always wearing heels. Of course I internet stalk my exes from time to time, to see who won! Everyone does that right?

Seriously though, these days it's just curiosity and more often hoping that they're doing fine, especially the ones that had their heart broken by the Bear.

But it's hard not to hope for their demise if it was the other way around. I'm only human.

Hahaha... You're a bitter human.
#nooffence

 

[IdealForehead]

I should also just lastly comment that people should keep in mind that a major part of why the Internet has been so hard for below average men is not just that women have more choice than ever, it's also that we as men are now more able than ever to compare ourselves to other men outside our usual range.

In the old days you might have one or two Chad buddies and your knowledge of their sex life would be tangential at best. Most of your friends would be looksmatched. So youd see mostly a mirror of your own life.

Now you can go online and easily read and review studies on what Chads get in life. You can easily change your pics to one and experience it first hand.

This is a brutal realization of the "comparison effect" - we are only as happy as we perceive ourselves to measure up to those we compare ourselves to.

So if you want to be a bit happier, realize different people live different lives, stop comparing yourself to people you can't truly compare to, and find ways to get acceptable approximations of what you truly want (eg. Date less attractive girls, buy hookers without feeling guilty or like youre a failure over it).

Once you realize its mostly out of your control, the next step is to let it go and find ways to make your life the funnest it can be.

Its taken me a long time to get to this stage but that's the stage im beginning to enter. At a minimum, it certainly feels better not to beat yourself up over things you didn't choose or can't change.

 

[CaptainForehead]

When a girl harshly dumps you and adds: "You disgust me", "no wonder everyone leaves you" and immediately asks you "so, did you fail your year at university?" (yes) when you run into her, it's hard, really hard not to feel resentful towards them.

I guess that's the price you pay for thinking you could get away with depositing your load in an Amazonian goddess.

Holy sh*t, that's what that Amazon said to you?!

 

[CaptainForehead]

, buy hookers

I've got to address this. You've been using the term "buy" when talking about sex workers. I'm sure you don't "buy" doctors or "buy" dentists or "therapists". I have a sneaky feeling you look down upon prostitutes/harbor some resentment towards them. If so, you probably will find engagements with them quite unsatisfying.

 

[blackg]

When a girl harshly dumps you and adds: "You disgust me", "no wonder everyone leaves you" and immediately asks you "so, did you fail your year at university?" (yes) when you run into her, it's hard, really hard not to feel resentful towards them.

I guess that's the price you pay for thinking you could get away with depositing your load in an Amazonian goddess.

Fair enough, mate.

 

[blackg]

It's taken me a long time to get to this stage but that's the stage im beginning to enter. At a minimum, it certainly feels better not to beat yourself up over things you didn't choose or can't change.

Are you beginning to enter this stage?
I only ask because it seems like such a hard mindset to except.

 

[MorningGlory]

You must be pretty above average looking and likely white if you can pull this off. Getting a slim girl in her 20s is HARD. The competition is incredible and they've always got some low level Chad knocking on their doors.

If i message this demographic online I'm lucky to get a 1/30 - 1/35 reply rate. On the street or at bars they make it clear they dont want to talk to me.

If i could get what you're describing I wouldn't be chopping myself up surgically and planning more.

Your malaise from too much supply of easy access to slim women is something most of us will never experience.

I am white and my NW3v is probably my only obvious physical disadvantage. I went for a coffee with a girl at work recently (approximately a 6 if I have to rate her; but a good 6 with beautiful brown hair) and she told me she was about to turn 25. I took that as my cue to admit I had almost a decade on her. She was surprised.

My father looks good for his age (apart from the hair; although even that’s not terrible; it’s hard to rate his Norwood) so I probably got good genetics in that sense. Plus I live clean, wet shave daily, moisturise, etc. I think it’s my dark blue eyes girls go for.

My limitations lie elsewhere. I’m quite self-conscious which I mask with aloofness. Plus I’m given to negative introspection and catastrophising. From one coffee date I’m already thinking ahead to what’s required to maintaining this.

 

[Patrick_Bateman]

I've got to address this. You've been using the term "buy" when talking about sex workers. I'm sure you don't "buy" doctors or "buy" dentists or "therapists". I have a sneaky feeling you look down upon prostitutes/harbor some resentment towards them. If so, you probably will find engagements with them quite unsatisfying.

If we can’t look down upon w****s, then who can we look down upon?

 

[JohnsonDDG]

If we can’t look down upon w****s, then who can we look down upon?

Pedos and Muslims

 

[IdealForehead]

I've got to address this. You've been using the term "buy" when talking about sex workers. I'm sure you don't "buy" doctors or "buy" dentists or "therapists". I have a sneaky feeling you look down upon prostitutes/harbor some resentment towards them. If so, you probably will find engagements with them quite unsatisfying.

I never thought of that. I guess you are right though and i should say hire hookers. That is more respectful. You are right.

I don't at all look down on sex workers. I respect them and think they offer a valuable and honorable service. I'm glad they exist.

If I've ever looked down on anyone in that possible interaction its myself because considering it has made me feel like a loser, but like i said, I'm getting better with that the more I accept and realize that none of this (height, race, face, bone structure primarily) is within my control so it makes no sense to beat myself up over.

We all just have to find the best compromises we can in life. I wish women would love a broader diversity of men or that I could be in the demographic they do love. But I might as well wish to be an NBA player because one is probably as likely as the other at this stage.

 

[SmoothSailing]

They're fine, but it's another type of fine, as in fine with a lot of envy and possibly codependancy since they'll be both afraid of not ever making it again if they had to go back out there.

So you've gone from they "are fucked if they want to pursue a genuine and solid relationship." to; it's another type of fine; there will be emotions, that everyone experiences, involved; they will have fears that everyone has (especially as they get older), they might be codependent.

 

[Patrick_Bateman]

Pedos and Muslims

Pedos were born with a mental defect making them attracted to children. Sucks to be them. I bet a lot of them are actually nice and don't act out on it.
Muzzies aren't so bad as long as they don't run rapefugee game.

w****s are the lowest of lows. They're girls who have nothing to offer except their body. And even with zero education, zero training and often times they're not even that hot, they still get paid hundreds of dollars an hour.

There are negatives to every job, some require a lot of education, some aren't paid well, and some you have to literally wh*** yourself out. I don't respect every single profession there is. And you can't make me!

 

[IdealForehead]

Pedos were born with a mental defect making them attracted to children. Sucks to be them. I bet a lot of them are actually nice and don't act out on it.
Muzzies aren't so bad as long as they don't run rapefugee game.

w****s are the lowest of lows. They're girls who have nothing to offer except their body. And even with zero education, zero training and often times they're not even that hot, they still get paid hundreds of dollars an hour.

There are negatives to every job, some require a lot of education, some aren't paid well, and some you have to literally wh*** yourself out. I don't respect every single profession there is. And you can't make me!

Yeah well I respect hookers because without them I've probably got zero chance outside of VR of knowing what it's like to bang a really hot girl. What about you?

So they are offering me something valuable I cant access any other way except perhaps by dedicating week/months again to cold approach and getting blown off thousands of times first or getting 2 years of more jaw surgery (which I'll probably get anyway) or leg lengthening (which I won't get).

I look at all the things I'd have to do to be potentially attractive to attractive women and its daunting. The idea that for a few hundred dollars a girl can offer me close to the same without all those risks and years of pain/surgery/rejection to get there is a very nice thought.

Not as nice as being good looking. But like I said, we don't really get to choose that.

 

[blackg]

Pedos were born with a mental defect making them attracted to children. Sucks to be them. I bet a lot of them are actually nice and don't act out on it.
Muzzies aren't so bad as long as they don't run rapefugee game.

w****s are the lowest of lows. They're girls who have nothing to offer except their body. And even with zero education, zero training and often times they're not even that hot, they still get paid hundreds of dollars an hour.

There are negatives to every job, some require a lot of education, some aren't paid well, and some you have to literally wh*** yourself out. I don't respect every single profession there is. And you can't make me!

You shouldn't hate sex workers as they are providing a service for men who can't get sex because of natural selection.

Hate the game not the player, muh Bateman.