Uk 2010 elections

[Slartibartfast]

... and we know what happens when debt & deflation get together.

Ah well, this all makes for a most sobering morning read; think I'll make use of the delightful Spring weather down here and have something of a potter in the garden - camellias need dead-heading. Perhaps I shall also have a little ponder on whether we have QE mark II lurking round the corner, and whether there's any way the PIIGS can avoid catastrophe (economic & political) whilst remaining in the Euro. Happy thoughts.

 

[Bekim]

if I live in uk full time

I vote labour.

Cousin got house she had 6 children

she very happy children happy

children go to school learn good english

 

[s.a.f]

Yeah f*****g great, the free money party. :jackit:
This is why our country is fucked right now.

 

[Bekim]

Yeah f****ing great, the free money party. :jackit:
This is why our country is f***ed right now.

saf why you not like labour

they give dental to Cousin childrens now they have pretty smile

maybe you come to Albania

 

[HughJass]

god damn


I'm on my way...

 

[somone uk]

Yeah f****ing great, the free money party. :jackit:
This is why our country is f***ed right now.

would you rather this man?

 

[The Gardener]

... and we know what happens when debt & deflation get together.

Kabooom!

Ah well, this all makes for a most sobering morning read; think I'll make use of the delightful Spring weather down here and have something of a potter in the garden - camellias need dead-heading. Perhaps I shall also have a little ponder on whether we have QE mark II lurking round the corner, and whether there's any way the PIIGS can avoid catastrophe (economic & political) whilst remaining in the Euro. Happy thoughts.

I just saw that Greek short term debt was selling today at a 15% yield. Geez, that's worse than an unsecured credit card. How's THAT going to play out on the streets of Athens?

And, how long until the "bond vigilantes" trudge their way across the continent, and across the water, and make their way to London and New York.....?

 

[s.a.f]

[quote="s.a.f"1lx2g2b]Yeah f****ing great, the free money party. :jackit:
This is why our country is f***ed right now.

would you rather this man?

[/quote1lx2g2b]

Yeah too right!

Labour have destroyed Britain and our way of life, creating a subclass who see it as a choice wether to work for a living or just live of those who do. Infact we all know that in many cases people are much better off not working. Of course this is like a magnet for anyone who lives in a poorer country and wants to come and live of the prosperity of our previous generations.

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PS I bet in reality his is more like Bekims family
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"Can we have a bigger house Mr Brown"?

 

[somone uk]

Yeah too right!

Labour have destroyed Britain and our way of life, creating a subclass who see it as a choice wether to work for a living or just live of those who do. Infact we all know that in many cases people are much better off not working. Of course this is like a magnet for anyone who lives in a poorer country and wants to come and live of the prosperity of our previous generations.

1) despite the recession there is lower unemployment now than there was during Tory rule, people don't like being on the dole, have you ever tried living on £50 a week, most full time workers make more than that in a day
what i find ironic is that people seem more hostile to "dole drosses" than prisoners despite a prisoner costing the taxpayer significantly more
it is a myth that people on the dole "don't want to work" most people on the dole just need some money so they can pay their bills

2)the inevitable tory cuts on capital gains tax would mean that instead of poor people living off those who work it'll just be rich people living off those who work
this would be further exacerbated if cameron follows the tory trend of privatisation

 

[Bekim]

[quote="somone uk":2f9ovp5y][quote="s.a.f":2f9ovp5y]Yeah f****ing great, the free money party. :jackit:
This is why our country is f***ed right now.

would you rather this man?

[/quote:2f9ovp5y]

Yeah too right!

Labour have destroyed Britain and our way of life, creating a subclass who see it as a choice wether to work for a living or just live of those who do. Infact we all know that in many cases people are much better off not working. Of course this is like a magnet for anyone who lives in a poorer country and wants to come and live of the prosperity of our previous generations.

[attachment=0:2f9ovp5y]ivenever.jpg[/attachment:2f9ovp5y]


PS I bet in reality his is more like Bekims family
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"Can we have a bigger house Mr Brown"?[/quote:2f9ovp5y]


This not look like my family!!

i live with mother and sister!! in Albania

maybe saf you not like pretty Albanian girl maybe you like chav girl like ones that cause trouble for Cousin in UK!!!!!

 

[Hammy070]

The country hasn't been destroyed, and very little has actually changed.

There are almost no problems now that havn't existed before.

Immigration especially - from Cromagnon to the Romans and Saxons, Vikings and all the rest, Jews, Italians and Indians, there's always been a constant "our country is destroyed this immigration must stop now!"

Of course that was literal when the Vikings were around, burning towns to the ground for a time.

People are naturally chronocentric, as if their own experience of the world somehow alters wider history. In actual fact, aside from World Wars...and even that's a handful of years - almost nothing really changes fundamentally in a persons lifetime.

 

[Bekim]

The country hasn't been destroyed, and very little has actually changed.

There are almost no problems now that havn't existed before.

Immigration especially - from Cromagnon to the Romans and Saxons, Vikings and all the rest, Jews, Italians and Indians, there's always been a constant "our country is destroyed this immigration must stop now!"

Of course that was literal when the Vikings were around, burning towns to the ground for a time.

People are naturally chronocentric, as if their own experience of the world somehow alters wider history. In actual fact, aside from World Wars...and even that's a handful of years - almost nothing really changes fundamentally in a persons lifetime.

Hammy070 i think this thing about no change because govenrment have no balls!!!

when mother nature or wars start govenrment make change and blame it on wars and mother nature!!!

people do not like change they have big fear


Bekim

 

[Slartibartfast]

I'm sorry, are you suggesting that the privatisations of the eighties were a mistake? That BP, BG, BAE, BT, the utilities, etc. should've been kept in State hands? Okay, British Rail was a flawed attempt at shifting future liabilities off Govt. books and onto the private sector, but all of the others? Really?

 

[Slartibartfast]

I just saw that Greek short term debt was selling today at a 15% yield. Geez, that's worse than an unsecured credit card. How's THAT going to play out on the streets of Athens?

I'm leaning towards not very well - there's already been strikes and protesting. Two-year bonds leapt over the 20% threshold this morning - which is the markets subtle way of saying they don't want to be holding Greek debt. Christ, ten-year bonds are now 11%. The Euro 16 (Angela Merkel to be precise) need to commit to a bail-out; what Greece needs is something north of $150,000,000,000 to provide a two- to three-year breathing space to allow debt restructuring.

And, how long until the "bond vigilantes" trudge their way across the continent, and across the water, and make their way to London and New York.....?

Portugal is next in line, which is hard on them because, unlike the Greeks, the Govt. has managed the economy with care. This covers the background for Portugal's woes: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comm ... l-too.html

And after Portugal, Spain. The UK can skirt disaster if the next Govt. convinces markets that debt will be brought under control; appetite for US debt will probably strengthen during the uncertainty, longer term looks troubling for both of us.

Edited to add 000's to the money Greece requires. 150 billion, not million....

 

[Slartibartfast]

Immigration especially - from Cromagnon to the Romans and Saxons, Vikings and all the rest, Jews, Italians and Indians, there's always been a constant "our country is destroyed this immigration must stop now!"

First time I've seen the Romans described as immigrants. They, like the Germanic tribes in the 5th Century & then later the Normans, were invaders who did change the country to a great extent. Between then and the 1950s there were no demographically significant flows into the country except from Ireland. There's been a Jewish community here since Medieval times (well, there was a rather long break after Edward expelled them) whose population has never exceeded half a million - under 300,000 nowadays; the Huguenots came in tiny numbers, ditto for the Italians. All have assimilated into the wider community. Post-war immigration has been on a far greater scale, against the wishes of the public, and it has clearly altered the UK's cultural make-up - hardly a surprise that not everyone is happy about the situation.

 

[s.a.f]

1) despite the recession there is lower unemployment now than there was during Tory rule, people don't like being on the dole, have you ever tried living on £50 a week, most full time workers make more than that in a day
what i find ironic is that people seem more hostile to "dole drosses" than prisoners despite a prisoner costing the taxpayer significantly more
it is a myth that people on the dole "don't want to work" most people on the dole just need some money so they can pay their bills.

Dont you realise that Labour have fudged the figures to exclude various groups like school leavers and invented new classifications to avoid actually registering people who are not working.

Certain people dont like being on the dole, people who have drive, self esteem and are used to earning good money. Or single men living with parents ect who dont get much like you said about £50. But for 100,000's of people out there like those with children its a guaranteed income and free housing.
How can you justify the cases of families claiming more than £20/30,000 a year. Most of these people have never worked longterm!! Getting large free housing and living a lifestyle that is at least as comfortable as that on the minimum wage.
If you have a large family its almost impossible for the average citizen (who does'nt have a valuble skill or the highest level of education available) to earn more than they can get by being on benifits.
What do you think about the immigrant families living in 7 bedroom £1m+ mansions? Claiming over £100,000 a year benifits (there are more than 100 cases of this !!!!)
Getting a job is easy if you're actually willing to work, I've never been unemployed in my life. Just go to any unemployment agency they have 100's of jobs available.

 

[somone uk]

I'm sorry, are you suggesting that the privatisations of the eighties were a mistake? That BP, BG, BAE, BT, the utilities, etc. should've been kept in State hands? Okay, British Rail was a flawed attempt at shifting future liabilities off Govt. books and onto the private sector, but all of the others? Really?

well i don't know enougth about BP, BAE and the NG privataseation to comment either way (i wasn't alive in the early 80's)

british gas (with the other energy providers) has had record profits at the expense of it's customers when they increased the price of gas and electricity proportionately to the raise in wholesale prices but did not drop the prices when the wholesale price fell and this is partly responsible for 4.4 million households being in energy poverty if we did have a privatised utility company we would have a government that we could hold responsible rather than just having to cough up the cost

regarding BT the uk has a lower average internet connection speed than Romania. yet as early as the late 70's we proposed scrapping copper wires in favour of a fibre optic infrastructure unfortunately parliament vetoed the idea, if BT was nationalised maybe we could of installed a fibre optic infrastructure the second we had a more forward thinking government
this veto means that the British public and engineers wasted lots of time an money developing technologies such as ADSL which would of been otherwise redundant + obsolete if we had a fibre optic infrastructure
south Korea had a nationalised telecommunications company when they completely removed all the copper from their lines and they are far ahead of us when it comes to internet connections, their average connection speed is about 250 mbps and they don't pay any more than we do for the connection

i don't actually see the 80's privatisation of BA as a bad thing but i would support it's renationalisation if we weren't in so much debt, but from the looks of it they will be as dead as a dodo in less than a decade anyway

 

[somone uk]

[quote="somone uk":jjomdick]
1) despite the recession there is lower unemployment now than there was during Tory rule, people don't like being on the dole, have you ever tried living on £50 a week, most full time workers make more than that in a day
what i find ironic is that people seem more hostile to "dole drosses" than prisoners despite a prisoner costing the taxpayer significantly more
it is a myth that people on the dole "don't want to work" most people on the dole just need some money so they can pay their bills.

Dont you realise that Labour have fudged the figures to exclude various groups like school leavers and invented new classifications to avoid actually registering people who are not working. [/quote:jjomdick] well i realise that 16 and 17 year olds arn't on the statistics but i can't imagine them being a significant statistic apart from the ones who got pregnant etc as a matter of fact i could bet a 16 year old would be more employable than an 18-24 year old

Certain people dont like being on the dole, people who have drive, self esteem and are used to earning good money. Or single men living with parents ect who dont get much like you said about £50. But for 100,000's of people out there like those with children its a guaranteed income and free housing.
How can you justify the cases of families claiming more than £20/30,000 a year. Most of these people have never worked longterm!! Getting large free housing and living a lifestyle that is at least as comfortable as that on the minimum wage.
If you have a large family its almost impossible for the average citizen (who does'nt have a valuble skill or the highest level of education available) to earn more than they can get by being on benifits.
What do you think about the immigrant families living in 7 bedroom £1m+ mansions? Claiming over £100,000 a year benifits (there are more than 100 cases of this !!!!)
Getting a job is easy if you're actually willing to work, I've never been unemployed in my life. Just go to any unemployment agency they have 100's of jobs available.

over 100k a year?, any examples?
child tax credits to some extent are a necessity since i am pretty sure we can both agree that it isn't fair for a child to grow up in poverty just because of the conduct of their parents but i do agree that kids shouldn't become an investment for benefits, maybe it would result in social services taking more kids if the parents refuse to work and thus economically support the kid, but i am pretty sure that wouldn't be a popular idea

tbh i am not a brown supporter just a Cameron opposer, i agree with nick tbh

 

[s.a.f]

over 100k a year?, any examples?
child tax credits to some extent are a necessity since i am pretty sure we can both agree that it isn't fair for a child to grow up in poverty just because of the conduct of their parents but i do agree that kids shouldn't become an investment for benefits, maybe it would result in social services taking more kids if the parents refuse to work and thus economically support the kid, but i am pretty sure that wouldn't be a popular idea

The examples are the 118 families living in the UK in properties worth over £1m.
Theres an Afghan single mother of 7 in a £1.25m house in London claiming over £160,000.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/43 ... efits.html

Another Albanian family in a £1.25m georgian town house. These examples may be rare but drop a level to the £20 - 40,000 a year claimants and there are tens of thousands.
Dont you read the papers, there have been countless scandelous examples eg the family of 8 on benifits who have a mercedes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... cedes.html

In all these cases when reporters have paid them for their stories they've gone inside to find the house full of Plasma tv's leather couch's and the latest games consoles.
But surely a limit should be imposed on the amount of children you can claim for? If an unemployed single mum continues to have 4/5/6+ children (all the while being upgraded to bigger and bigger housing) without ever having any means of supporting them is that fair to the millions of families who do work?
There has to be a limit, why not just give benifits for a first child and anything after that its up to the mother (or the absent father) to pay for.
The UK's benifit bill is by far our higest outgoing it dwarfs even the NHS and defence budgets. We need someone who has the balls to apply some common sense and rein it in.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... venue.html

Edited to add links.

 

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Broon has just shot himself on telly now by calling a woman a bigot behind her back (forgetting his mic was still on)