Unclever and attractive vs genius and unattractive

[Primo]

Some reeeeal depressing sh*t on this thread!

"theres no better advantage you could have in life than being blessed with good looks."

How about having a good set of ALevels, a good University degree and a good professional qualification?? I'd say those 3 things together are pretty big advantage in life myself & a helluva a lot more important than being blessed with good looks... People with that background go very far in life, butt ugly or not...

If you don't have any qualifications or job skills, then it doesn't matter if you look like a male model, you'll still be stuck in the big rat-race like every other sh*tmuncher, unless you plan on being a househusband or a gigolo?

Really people on this forum way overplay the importance of mens' looks in life. We're not women, we're not supposed to be pretty to look at. Education and job skills are by far the most important things for us.

 

[Aco_KK]

Careful primo, the misery crew will be on your back for that.

 

[GeminiX]

I have to wonder, with the exception of token wives, does anyone actually believe that if you're "attractive" then you're automatically successful? Does a ticket arrive in the post one day and off you go to a better life?

Of course it doesn't!

Some of the companies I work for have service desks and call centres; guess what, they are packed with young pretty people who are not particularly clever, they sit there all day taking calls and reading a script. Meanwhile, the ugly and normal looking people who work in management or the senior technical teams doing the "clever stuff" which takes intelligence and training.

Pop Quiz

1. Outside in the car-park guess how many of the expensive cars and other symbols of success are owned by the attractive pretty people on the service desk?

2. Which of the groups of people *must* come in at specific hours and have strictly monitored phone call handling and even toilet breaks?

3. Which of the two groups of people work flexible hours, more or less managing their own time and work, work from home etc.?

I could go on, but you get the idea.

Guys, seriously, you just think the grass would be greener if you could trade your intelligence for looks, but I would very surprised if you were happier (unless you lost so much of your intellect that you became as dumb as a barn door, in which case you probably would not care much anyway).

 

[s.a.f]

But the fact is those goodlooking people will be treated better, and probably have more oppurtunities in life its human nature.
Look around society worships youth and beauty more than anything else and it rewards those who have it.
If any of you have ever known anyone who models ect and the way most people act towards them, the train station/suitcase example is just a typical everyday occurance.

For me to live everyday having women looking admiringly at you and flirting all day and to have a steady supply of hot women wanting you that feeling/experience is worth more than having a comfortable lifestyle. So what if he drives a beautiful car, but he's never had a beautiful woman.

Unless you're going to be a multimillonaire (and only a small % of clever people actually achieve that) I'd take looks everytime and have my fun.

 

[s.a.f]

I have to wonder, with the exception of token wives, does anyone actually believe that if you're "attractive" then you're automatically successful? Does a ticket arrive in the post one day and off you go to a better life?

Of course it doesn't!

No its more like a gradual easier path through life being treated better by people you meet and a feeling of confidence and wellbeing that comes with being attractive.

Some of the companies I work for have service desks and call centres; guess what, they are packed with young pretty people who are not particularly clever, they sit there all day taking calls and reading a script. Meanwhile, the ugly and normal looking people who work in management or the senior technical teams doing the "clever stuff" which takes intelligence and training.

Pop Quiz

1. Outside in the car-park guess how many of the expensive cars and other symbols of success are owned by the attractive pretty people on the service desk?

2. Which of the groups of people *must* come in at specific hours and have strictly monitored phone call handling and even toilet breaks?

3. Which of the two groups of people work flexible hours, more or less managing their own time and work, work from home etc.?

I could go on, but you get the idea.

So attractive people can only work in call centres?
Most of those young people you mentioned will have moved onto something better in 6 months time. Thats just one example of yours.
How about models who get paid to jetset around the world staying in luxury resorts?

But the point is work is 8hrs a day not the be all and end all of life. And with your call centre example I'd rather be the attractive young person who works in that sh*t enviroment but then goes home to a attractive partner than the ugly boss who drives home in his merc to his nice house but ugly wife.
That boss with his 'symbols of success' would give his disposible income to experience how it feels to be desired by the opposite sex.
And those bosses have all the stress of managing the place and justifying the results to their superiors whilst the ordinary worker just clocks off and forgets about work until the next time.

Think about it, why do people grow up in admiration of celebrities and their enviable lifestyles. Not random businessmen who may actually be much richer. There are some experiences money cant buy.

 

[Aco_KK]

saf, i'm sure you're good looking, with/without hair.

There are very few genetically ugly people.

 

[s.a.f]

saf, i'm sure you're good looking, with/without hair.

There are very few genetically ugly people.

I'm average in both ways but if I had the choice of being a very intelligent or very goodlooking I'd pick goodlooking and have my fun. I envy the guys who have hot women throwing themselves at them and every other guy wants to hang out with more than I envy the guys who have degrees or managerial jobs.
Very few good looking people are models just like very few intelligent people earn fortunes.

 

[GeminiX]

Oh SAF, come on; you're better than just taking the usual negative person's approach of shifting the goal posts.

First off, being "treated better" is a matter of opinion and besides once pretty people hit middle age all that is gone where the respect you get from being successful is with you for life.

Also if you really think life is somehow easier if you have looks over money, well good luck with that. The slums of Hollywood (to use your obsession with celebrity) are chock full of fabulously attractive people who are flat broke and not having a good time at all. You should visit there some time, it's an eye opener.

Being attractive also does not make you any more "well" than anyone else, in fact I'll put good private health cover up against "good looking" any day of the week.

When it comes to the call centre, you know exactly what I meant; of course the only jobs pretty people can get are not in call centres. And as for moving on in six months, well some will (~7% is the typical attrition rate of which about 70% go to *another* service desk, actual stats based on UK figures, not made up figures).

As for speaking for successful bosses, well surely you don't really believe what you posted (or you've simply not thought it through); if it was true you would not be able to get near cosmetic surgery clinics (or afford the prices) they would be packed full of rich people getting fixed up.

I personally love the challenge of meeting my targets, and I work very hard to make sure I do. It can be stressful at times I suppose, but I would bet a months pay it's less stressful than struggling to pay the rent / food bills / phone bill etc.

As for why people want celebrity, well there dozens of reasons; wealth, travel, popularity; besides there are a great many ugly celebrities.

edit: I will add that I can think of opposite examples on both sides of the argument (successful dumb people, and unsuccessful geniuses). The opposites have other things going on which compensate or hinder their lives; the successful dumb acquittance married into money and the two *very* intelligent unsuccessful people I know both have personality hangups which keep tripping them up.

It's all just a matter of perspective, we all think the grass is greener on the other side until we hop over the fence and check it out for ourselves.

 

[Aco_KK]

This may sound pretentious, but i consider myself attractive.

Yet I get no girls and get beat up.

Although, i think it might have something to do with the fact I live in the ghetto of Sydney.

 

[GeminiX]

This may sound pretentious, but i consider myself attractive.

Yet I get no girls and get beat up.

Although, i think it might have something to do with the fact I live in the ghetto of Sydney.

Curiously, I consider myself ugly to average and have never had any problems getting attention from the opposite sex (though quite a lot of it is the from the single handed surfer brigade lately). I've never had any real issues with violence either, though I do get numerous anonymous threats.

I come from a very working class area of South Wales, though I would not say it was a slum/ghetto.

I wonder what the differences are between us?

 

[Aco_KK]

heh, you're from South Wales, I'm from NEW South Wales, hehe. Just putting it out there.

Well put it this way, in the Western Sydney, if you're white, you're in the minority.Thats ridiculous considering Australia is supposed to be a white dominant country. Theres a massive problem with ethnic gangs. Arabs, Asians, Sudanese, Samoans and Tongans.

White guys are targets. =/

But I go to University in the city of Sydney, the central area of Sydney. The real posh place. I get some attention from girls (and guys =/) but it's more of a gawk then anything else.


Who knows...

 

[s.a.f]

Oh SAF, come on; you're better than just taking the usual negative person's approach of shifting the goal posts.

First off, being "treated better" is a matter of opinion and besides once pretty people hit middle age all that is gone where the respect you get from being successful is with you for life.

Also if you really think life is somehow easier if you have looks over money, well good luck with that. The slums of Hollywood (to use your obsession with celebrity) are chock full of fabulously attractive people who are flat broke and not having a good time at all. You should visit there some time, it's an eye opener.

Being attractive also does not make you any more "well" than anyone else, in fact I'll put good private health cover up against "good looking" any day of the week.

When it comes to the call centre, you know exactly what I meant; of course the only jobs pretty people can get are not in call centres. And as for moving on in six months, well some will (~7% is the typical attrition rate of which about 70% go to *another* service desk, actual stats based on UK figures, not made up figures).

As for speaking for successful bosses, well surely you don't really believe what you posted (or you've simply not thought it through); if it was true you would not be able to get near cosmetic surgery clinics (or afford the prices) they would be packed full of rich people getting fixed up.

I personally love the challenge of meeting my targets, and I work very hard to make sure I do. It can be stressful at times I suppose, but I would bet a months pay it's less stressful than struggling to pay the rent / food bills / phone bill etc.

As for why people want celebrity, well there dozens of reasons; wealth, travel, popularity; besides there are a great many ugly celebrities.

edit: I will add that I can think of opposite examples on both sides of the argument (successful dumb people, and unsuccessful geniuses). The opposites have other things going on which compensate or hinder their lives; the successful dumb acquittance married into money and the two *very* intelligent unsuccessful people I know both have personality hangups which keep tripping them up.
It's all just a matter of perspective, we all think the grass is greener on the other side until we hop over the fence and check it out for ourselves.

Well maybe but I'd like to try it out all the same. Maybe its just my own physical insecurity?
I have a unskilled manual job (pretty low paid) but have managed to buy 2 houses at my youngish age. I've also owned decent cars. I've been inside big houses and ate at expensive resturants ect. (albiet just for short time) All that can be achieved by making sacrifices and saving up ect. You can easily experince what wealth is like (if only temporarily) but the feeling of being completly happy with your physical self is something that can never be brought.

TBH I still think sex is the biggest driving factor in life and most people want a attractive partner, you see some intelligent and powerful people risk everything for just that. Thats probably one of the reasons we strive for success is because its the one thing you can do that improves your chances. Personally the car I drive and the material possesions I have dont mean much to me I'd rather be able to attract a more attractive partner. Shallow as that may sound. :dunno:

 

[GeminiX]

Hmm, in South Wales we have a very small migrant population; in fact it's often said that the Welsh make the best immigrants

I do travel a lot with business but it's mostly to hotels and offices so I rarely get to see much culture; oddly while America is one of my absolute favourite countries to visit, almost all the death threats I get are also from there. I don't think it's Americans as such which don't like me, it seems to have more to do with some people's irrational belief in the big sky daddy.

 

[GeminiX]

@SAF, I think you might have just nailed the core of all these arguments with the most obvious answer, sex.

For lots of people and especially (and seemingly overwhelmingly) guys, sex plays a huge part in peoples motivations.

Conversely, I've never really understood what the fuss is about (and despise that part of my body); maybe that is one of the biggest reasons I was so different from the guys I used to hang with.

 

[superfrankie]

You can easily experince what wealth is like (if only temporarily) but the feeling of being completly happy with your physical self is something that can never be brought.

word

 

[superfrankie]

But the fact is those goodlooking people will be treated better, and probably have more oppurtunities in life its human nature.

Thats the way it is.

Look around society worships youth and beauty more than anything else and it rewards those who have it.

If that wasnt the case, the pressure and obsession to look good wouldnt exist in our society.

If any of you have ever known anyone who models ect and the way most people act towards them, the train station/suitcase example is just a typical everyday occurance.

I see this on a daily basis

For me to live everyday having women looking admiringly at you and flirting all day and to have a steady supply of hot women wanting you that feeling/experience is worth more than having a comfortable lifestyle.

I fully agree.

 

[superfrankie]

I've come to the conclusion though that apart from being the son of a multimillionaire theres no better advantage you could have in life than being blessed with good looks.

I have to agree again.

 

[bigentries]

Remember Kurt Cobain

Rich, Attractive, a hair style that made rock history.
The guy just did whatever he liked, didn't cared about how he looked, how he wrote songs. He became one those few individuals in music history along with Tupac and The Beatles that became saints during their lifetime and is considered a sin to criticize. Yet the guy decided to blow his head off

I agree with Gemini, the grass always looks greener on the other side

I must admit I have sometimes wondered what would had been of him if he was born ugly and went bald like Novoselic :woot:

 

[Aco_KK]

This place is more depressing than the depression forums. Seriously.

 

[Aco_KK]

It's either the depressed guys are completely bald and are genetically ugly or they're just naturally depressed.

Seriously, if you were really good looking before going bald, you probably didn't get that ugly. And if you're latino...you got nothing to worry about. Heck if your black, it's considered normal.

I agree about people being good looking getting treated better but f***...not as bad as people making it out to be here.