Update From The God Himself - Dr. Takashi Tsuji

[newbiemicroneedler]

Please. Saying that is offensive to our Goddess in heaven. If you want hair or anything else get down on your knees. It always works for me said she....

Are you sure your goddess gave you real hair???? Coz in all honesty it looks like a fake wig you have on there (assuming that's you in the profile pic)

 

[StayPositive]

Are you sure your goddess gave you real hair???? Coz in all honesty it looks like a fake wig you have on there (assuming that's you in the profile pic)

We have so many damaged, mentally ill and unstable people on this forum. But this one, man, it's something else... Sad to see honestly

 

[Pls_NW-1]

I don't think so. I think there are enough bald people to fund the project. Is there a gofundme for this project?

I am starting to like the Stemson project more though because Tsuji's project involves harvesting the hair cells from the back of the head and this plan is predicated on the false idea that the hair follicles in the back of the head do not miniaturize. As I said, this is a false idea. The hair follicles in the back of the head do miniaturize, although they do last longer than the hairs on the top of the head. My follicles on the back of my head have gotten thinner.

Eh I just wanted to say that Dr. Takashi Tsuji's approach and science is very unique and groundbreaking. It's about *regenerating* hair follicles from the occipital tpye. It might take 5 decades for your occipital follicles to bald. As well as for the "new" one's, to bald again.
There is no joking with this man.

 

[Super Metroid]

The article says:

"With the funding of clinical research, the research can be started within a year. The first target is androgenetic alopecia, whose mechanism is clear, and the period will be about one and a half years."

Once funded human studies can start within 1 year and then the treatment can go to market after 1 1/2 years. This means it should go to market approx 2 1/2 years after they get the necessary funding. If they got the necessary funding today it should hit the market in 2023.

The funding they are looking for is around $4M right? And basically they are looking for donations instead of investment deals right?

It strikes me as odd that it is so hard for them to get the money, even if the person giving the money gets nothing in return. You would say that there would be at least a couple of rich, bald narcissists for whom these amounts mean nothing that would donate just so they can get the treatment themselves. And if they can't get the money as donations, the amount they are looking for is tiny compared to the potential profits of this method. It should be easy to get investors / banks on board.

Don't want to sound like a doomer and sure, I don't have all the information, but to me it sounds like the money issue is a cop-out for some other issue they might have.

 

[trialAcc]

The funding they are looking for is around $4M right? And basically they are looking for donations instead of investment deals right?

It strikes me as odd that it is so hard for them to get the money, even if the person giving the money gets nothing in return. You would say that there would be at least a couple of rich, bald narcissists for whom these amounts mean nothing that would donate just so they can get the treatment themselves. And if they can't get the money as donations, the amount they are looking for is tiny compared to the potential profits of this method. It should be easy to get investors / banks on board.

Don't want to sound like a doomer and sure, I don't have all the information, but to me it sounds like the money issue is a cop-out for some other issue they might have.

I've been saying the same thing since they first announced their pre-clinical results. 4~ million is literally nothing from an investment standpoint, and the fact that they can't or don't want to get it from an investor is a huge red flag.

 

[Super Metroid]

I've been saying the same thing since they first announced their pre-clinical results. 4~ million is literally nothing from an investment standpoint, and the fact that they can't or don't want to get it from an investor is a huge red flag.

Yeah, exactly. Time is of the essence. The earlier you can commercialize, the longer you can have a monopoly on the hair loss cure and the more money you can make. It doesn't sound logical at all that they are willing to waste considerable amounts of time waiting for a donation of $4M, while you can be confident that they can get that through other ways as well.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Everyone forgets that they are ready to partner with other companies, they said it once again in their last news post, within the last lines.

My only concern is, why's it that companies and firms resist to partner with Riken/Dr. Takashi Tsuji's lab. Only time will tell, probably.

Edit: Sorry, I correct myself, it's not on the last lines, but on the fourth page in the last paragraph:

"RIKEN is soliciting donations from the general public and companies, and is also seeking a wide range of partner companies."

 

[Super Metroid]

Everyone forgets that they are ready to partner with other companies, they said it once again in their last news post, within the last lines.

My only concern is, why's it that companies and firms resist to partner with Riken/Dr. Takashi Tsuji's lab. Only time will tell, probably.

Why do they need a partnership with another company? If it is just for money, there are easier ways to get that. Marketing? Show a legit result of a complete nw7 with a fully restored head of hair and (social) media will do the marketing for you.

My guess would be that they need technical capabilities from somebody else.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Why do they need a partnership with another company? If it is just for money, there are easier ways to get that. Marketing? Show a legit result of a complete nw7 with a fully restored head of hair and (social) media will do the marketing for you.

My guess would be that they need technical capabilities from somebody else.

I think that it's not as easy as it is said to just transplant 120,000 follicles onto someone's head lol. Not ethical imo

Just look at Stemson Therapeutics. A proper economic structure is needed for such things. Beforehand, they had Organ Technologies. I remember that he said COVID had some effect on O.T. for closing shop.

 

[trialAcc]

Everyone forgets that they are ready to partner with other companies, they said it once again in their last news post, within the last lines.

My only concern is, why's it that companies and firms resist to partner with Riken/Dr. Takashi Tsuji's lab. Only time will tell, probably.

Edit: Sorry, I correct myself, it's not on the last lines, but on the fourth page in the last paragraph:

"RIKEN is soliciting donations from the general public and companies, and is also seeking a wide range of partner companies."

Again, really don't think this would be difficult if they were being reasonable with terms. It's the ask for donations along side this that is very suspicious.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Again, really don't think this would be difficult if they were being reasonable with terms. It's the ask for donations along side this that is very suspicious.

I agree on this one. It's really weird asking for donations, especially when you marked via reporters back then 2020 as the year where hair loss is a thing of the past lol and now working with beauty companies as a side project on a minoxidil+

It is indeed suspicious. Hope we will see/hear something more the next years, fingers crossed!

 

[Super Metroid]

I think that it's not as easy as it is said to just transplant 120,000 follicles onto someone's head lol. Not ethical imo

Just look at Stemson Therapeutics. A proper economic structure is needed for such things. Beforehand, they had Organ Technologies. I remember that he said COVID had some effect on O.T. for closing shop.

Even a nw7 doesn't need 120.000 follicles. The balding area is, say, 250 cm2 (apologies if you don't use the metric system) and let's assume a density of 100 grafts per cm2. That is still 25.000 hair grafts.

But the point was that if you can show legit results, you don't need a marketing campaign anymore as the results speak for themselves.

Still the questions remains what they expect a partner to contribute

 

[Super Metroid]

ok, what about people completely bald with no hair left on their scalp?

That is, of course, different. I am talking about a typical case of somebody who went completely bald due to Androgenetic Alopecia

 

[Pls_NW-1]

I just want to say that I was talking about full blown and severe baldness and not everyone has the same amout of hair follicles on the scalp, it depends on the type of the hair. But 100 grafts per cm^2 are obviously not enough to say you're 'cured', especially not for caucasians, maybe for asians having a different hair type.

 

[Super Metroid]

I just want to say that I was talking about full blown and severe baldness and not everyone has the same amout of hair follicles on the scalp, it depends on the type of the hair. But 100 grafts per cm^2 are obviously not enough to say you're 'cured', especially not for caucasians, maybe for asians having a different hair type.

How many donor hair do we have? What sites (other than head) can donor hair be harvested from? How much hair can be provided?

I am concerned that I might not have enough donor hair left after one FUE that used 3500 of my hair from the side and the back of the head. 1. How many don...

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Just a quick check. William Rassman, one of the most revered surgeons, says that the Caucasian head typically has 50.000 grafts.

You only want to replace those in the balding zone, so that means 25.000 or so. And 100 grafts (not hairs) is a fantastic density, even for Caucasians.
Not necessarily here to debate this stuff though. I just wanted to react to the enthusiasm around Tsuji while there are some obvious red flags staring us in the face.

ok, so then completely bald people may have better hair than their original was>?

Don't get caught up in the exact numbers I am giving.

 

[Super Metroid]

I agree on this one. It's really weird asking for donations, especially when you marked via reporters back then 2020 as the year where hair loss is a thing of the past lol and now working with beauty companies as a side project on a minoxidil+

It is indeed suspicious. Hope we will see/hear something more the next years, fingers crossed!

I even forgot about that side project thing. Though wanting to see it differently, I don't see Tsuji / RIKEN are moving like they really have something.

 

[pegasus2]

Lol @ a bunch of westerners trying to figure out what makes sense in Japan. That country is like no other, it's a whole different world.

Like I said in the other thread, would you invest in a company that is developing a product to sell for 250k when another company is developing the same product but with a more streamlined manufacturing, and planning to sell it for ~50k?

 

[pegasus2]

Anybody who thinks they are going to do the same number of hairs for whites as they do for Asians isn't thinking it through. They can do more than 124, but that is the optimal density for their home market.

 

[trialAcc]

Lol @ a bunch of westerners trying to figure out what makes sense in Japan. That country is like no other, it's a whole different world.

Like I said in the other thread, would you invest in a company that is developing a product to sell for 250k when another company is developing the same product but with a more streamlined manufacturing, and planning to sell it for ~50k?

Yes. That price point was completely arbitrary and 2 companies in a new untapped market, both of who haven't started human trials is nothing. Other diseases have dozens of pre-clinical & clinical players in the same field and new start ups with patented IP still attract new investors.

I do know that Japan is like a completely different planet (I lived there for two months), but this seems like it has more to do with a dysfunctional org structure & process rather then just being in a country with different business practices and culture.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Anybody who thinks they are going to do the same number of hairs for whites as they do for Asians isn't thinking it through. They can do more than 124, but that is the optimal density for their home market.

That was what I was reffering to, they even said they can change the density while doing the procedure, adjustments! It's just incredible!!

Thanks Peg. !