Update From The God Himself - Dr. Takashi Tsuji

[trialAcc]

Who cares how many billions it's worth if you're only getting 10% interest on a bond then all it's worth is 10% interest. Now if you're getting 10% interest in the company that's a different story. Tsuji may be reluctant to give anyone interest in the company. I think from the way you're speaking now you thought I meant 10% of shares earlier. Yeah, that would be worth the risk. A 10% interest-bearing loan would not be worth the risk on something that hasn't had a clinical trial. I don't know what kind of venture capitalist would make that deal, but they won't be making many more deals being that stupid.

I thought we were talking about a 10% stake in the company.

 

[pegasus2]

He could be referring to further loss of non transplanted hair, the presentations mention the draw backs of current medications etc so its fair to assume they dont expect their customers to use them. I'd imagine it's a one time fee for a full head of hair, if your not completely bald they'll give you top ups as the balding process continues.

That's what I meant. I guess I worded that poorly since everyone misunderstood. If the transplanted hair was androgen-sensitive then he wouldn't be able to do offer free top-ups, so this implies two things: 1. that the transplanted hair will be permanent 2. that if you continue to lose your native hairs they will replace them for free.

 

[NorwoodGuardian]

That's what I meant. I guess I worded that poorly since everyone misunderstood. If the transplanted hair was androgen-sensitive then he wouldn't be able to do offer free top-ups, so this implies two things: 1. that the transplanted hair will be permanent 2. that if you continue to lose your native hairs they will replace them for free.

That's like after-sales maintenance, but when you sell goods you won't expect a 100% warranty claim and do it for free.

 

[pegasus2]

That's like after-sales maintenance, but when you sell goods you won't expect a 100% warranty claim and do it for free.

It's included in the initial cost

 

[Mighty]

Also, I've never known a Japanese person to be a liar, and certainly not to tell such a bald-faced lie as this.

I have. Japanese lie too, they are human. I believe that it is not Tsuji's case in this subject.

BTW, I will have a look on the Stemson's tech. And Tissuesomething. I hope there is more than blind speculation and faith behind this hype.

I don't know if I will get this treatment before my 40s, but I want to see a picture of an ex-NW100 with a head full of hair before the end of the decade.

If everything goes wrong, I will dress myself as a mouse to get the treatment.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

If everything goes wrong, I will dress myself as a mouse to get the treatment.

You forgot that most people on here will dress up as a girl in the end of the decade, if no cure comes along. Lol!

 

[Super Metroid]

You're not reasoning at all, you're just being a doomer, and you think I'm a coper so there's nothing left to discuss.

In general: no, because I think with all advances in science, hair loss will be cured sooner rather than later.

Regarding Tsuji I think you have to agree that it is at least suspicious that a relatively small requirement of money is stopping them and they are selling some snake-oil at the side. There might be a solid explanation of it all, but those are not the actions you'd like to see.

 

[MrV88]

Bro, its the decade of pigs

Poor mice, no more jobs for them...

 

[disfiguredyoungman]

You forgot that most people on here will dress up as a girl in the end of the decade, if no cure comes along. Lol!

lmao, we have a whole thread about it.

 

[Super Metroid]

I hate tsuji so much for delaying the haircloning with this funding BS . His holding a cure that can change our life

Totally bro.

He and the people around him have the opportunity to became filthy rich, become a hero to a large portion of the population, let their life's work come to fruition, create a scientific breakthrough and do something amazing for their country, but why do all that when you can also screw over some bald people! That is so much more fun!

 

[trialAcc]

Totally bro.

He and the people around him have the opportunity to became filthy rich, become a hero to a large portion of the population, let their life's work come to fruition, create a scientific breakthrough and do something amazing for their country, but why do all that when you can also screw over some bald people! That is so much more fun!

The more likely situation is that they don't think the science will translate to humans as well as would be required and are using it to leverage other parts of their science platform at Riken with the hype around the pre-clinical work. That or Tsuji & co are egomaniacs that don't know how to do business.

It's the same thing that Samumed/Biosplice are doing with SM04554. Delaying results of the trial and rebranding/ shifting focus.

 

[Super Metroid]

The more likely situation is that they don't think the science will translate to humans as well as would be required and are using it to leverage other parts of their science platform at Riken with the hype around the pre-clinical work. That or Tsuji & co are egomaniacs that don't know how to do business.

It's the same thing that Samumed/Biosplice are doing with SM04554. Delaying results of the trial and rebranding/ shifting focus.

Forgive me for entering the speculation / amateur psychologist mode, but I suspect that Tsuji might not be money driven. People who excel in their profession are usually possess genuine passion, because Dollar / Yen signs in your eyes only get you that far. Add the honor driven culture of Japan, which I do not know enough about unfortunately, and I can imagine they would release the cure even if it would break even financially. Would your life feel complete if it would revolve around this research, while never being able to deliver the big promises? That is why I don't believe in scenario's where they need money and are totally unreasonable towards potential partners, thus resulting in no offers being made.

Also, they don't just look for one partner, but are open to a wide array of cooperations. You can explain that positively by suggesting that they have big plans and need a lot of assistance for those. Given that they haven't shown a PoC of it working in humans, I don't think they need partners for a mass rollout. I think they just, ehm, need a lot of assistance.

Again, hopefully, in time people will be able to laugh about this post given how wrong it was.

 

[trialAcc]

Forgive me for entering the speculation / amateur psychologist mode, but I suspect that Tsuji might not be money driven. People who excel in their profession are usually possess genuine passion, because Dollar / Yen signs in your eyes only get you that far. Add the honor driven culture of Japan, which I do not know enough about unfortunately, and I can imagine they would release the cure even if it would break even financially. Would your life feel complete if it would revolve around this research, while never being able to deliver the big promises? That is why I don't believe in scenario's where they need money and are totally unreasonable towards potential partners, thus resulting in no offers being made.

Also, they don't just look for one partner, but are open to a wide array of cooperations. You can explain that positively by suggesting that they have big plans and need a lot of assistance for those. Given that they haven't shown a PoC of it working in humans, I don't think they need partners for a mass rollout. I think they just, ehm, need a lot of assistance.

Again, hopefully, in time people will be able to laugh about this post given how wrong it was.

I didn't say he was money hungry. Scientific research is driven by hype and grants. People/governments/organizations are more likely to want to fund his other research initiatives while they are generating hype from a pre-clinical program.

If we want to talk about money though, how about the fact that he put this entire thing on hold while he launched 3 cosmetic hairloss topicals that don't outperform minoxidil?

 

[Super Metroid]

I didn't say he was money hungry. Scientific research is driven by hype and grants. People/governments/organizations are more likely to want to fund his other research initiatives while they are generating hype from a pre-clinical program.

If we want to talk about money though, how about the fact that he put this entire thing on hold while he launched 3 cosmetic hairloss topicals that don't outperform minoxidil?

You're right.

Super sketchy and suspicious.

 

[pegasus2]

I didn't say he was money hungry. Scientific research is driven by hype and grants. People/governments/organizations are more likely to want to fund his other research initiatives while they are generating hype from a pre-clinical program.

If we want to talk about money though, how about the fact that he put this entire thing on hold while he launched 3 cosmetic hairloss topicals that don't outperform minoxidil?

He didn't put it on hold. He was getting the paper published. He started his fundraising campaign as soon as it was published.

 

[trialAcc]

He didn't put it on hold. He was getting the paper published. He started his fundraising campaign as soon as it was published.

Sure not an official hold, but he's working on other endeavors at the same time. The posters I was responding to were implying that he's holding some life saving therapy to himself for selfish reasons. All I am saying is that there are many different reasons why this could be progressing slower then hoped, whether business oriented or problems with the actual science.

 

[kingjohn]

3 year anniversary of this thread incoming... shoutout to everyone on this site that called me a liar for making this thread lmao

for the first time i really feel like the functional cure is actually "5 years away" or sooner

have another sip of some copium brothers we are closer to salvation than ever before

 

[Super Metroid]

Often universities then cooperate with companies, issue licenses, or found start-ups with external managing directors. Tsuji did the same with Organ Technologies and Kyocera, but Organ Technologies didn’t do well.

so if you look at Tsuji's academic education, he has no experience of any kind of business.
He is a full time researcher, always has been.

I come to the opposite conclusion when I examine the founders of Samumed. None of them have a solid scientific education in the medical field. (Except for one) They are all business people who implement and market a minor scientific discovery very well.

Sounds like someone on this forum should introduce the two parties to each other ..

 

[Selb]

I feel as those a cure like this wont be available for 15/20 years sadly. When I first started losing hair I kept reading threads like this hoping and praying near future something would come out and here we are 3 years later and nothing.
Need something as I fear what my hair will really look like in 15-20 years

Probably best to think in decades when talking about this sort of stuff. I can stand being bald for a few years as long as I can get hair when I’m like 32 or something

 

[trialAcc]

I feel as those a cure like this wont be available for 15/20 years sadly. When I first started losing hair I kept reading threads like this hoping and praying near future something would come out and here we are 3 years later and nothing.
Need something as I fear what my hair will really look like in 15-20 years

3 years later nothing? There are literally 3 finished or near finished pre-clinical cloning programs that will be in human trials in the next 1-2 years. There are a dozen or so new drugs in the pipeline that didn't exist (or we phase 1/preclinical) in 2017, all of which will hit the market this decade.

What more can you ask for in 3 years?