Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

[Notreallyhere]

Derminator asks that to determine the needle depth and use it for the timer function. These are very clearly noted in the instruction and just proves once again that sadly most people don't even bother to read it: a common source of misinformation here.

the request to use timer mode comes after those questions and they cant be skipped but timer one can i fail to see why i should use a timer when im using a the pen movement based on depth achieved icon and general feel of the scalp plus timer was never made to account for time taken parting thick hair.
also you cant denie the physics behind my point i was making its why laying on a bed of nails is harmless and laying one nail is painful as hell

 

[benjt2]

I have to say, number guy @74775446 turning out to be quite the... "businessman" (selling a BS serum? what the hell!) is quite sad news.
Additionally, as was mentioned before, the Indian dermaroller studies were conducted by someone running a dermarolling business. Both @74775446 and the Indian study authors have a conflict of interest when claiming that this works.

It really casts a shadow of doubt on the whole approach. Especially as I have not gotten any results whatsoever after 3 months of rolling + minoxidil.

While the hypotheses behind why this approach (needling + minoxidil) supposedly works seem sound, it doesn't mean they are necessarily true. Many things sound nice in theory (especially if the theory hasn't been understood yet, like that of hairloss), but in practice don't really do anything.

Who here actually had success on dermarolling/needling alone, that for sure cannot be attributed to minoxidil? That is, people who were not starting minoxidil together with rolling (but were doing it for a longer time and only added rolling after) or aren't using any other treatments alongside?

 

[ToLGuy]

Examples you given are natural wounds. Puncturing skin twice a weak is not natural.

Natural or non-natural are meaningless concepts and has no implications in health. Also, according to your logic, bodybuilding is natural? Lol. You don't find barbells and weight discs in "nature".
In a typical gym session, you wound your muscle fibres way more than you do in a microneedling session, and typical gym goers like myself do it 5-6 times a week. According to your logic, people who work out should be dead from muscle cancer.

 

[Bill_Russo]

I had no idea I was actually mentioned around haha, I tend to just stay in my own little bubble and post lazy updates. I'll definitely be posting more in the future and so far everything is looking promising. I've also been testing out even more intensive microneedling for faster/better regrowth and I'm under the assumption it's more effective but it's harder to tell at this stage. I'll definitely make sure to fully check out your thread sometime, I just had a brief glimpse over it and it looks great. I feel as if that'd be very helpful for a of people.

I'd most likely do the same if I got your results, hahaha. I'd pretty much call it quits there. If I were to restore a Norwood and a half I'd be back to NW1.5. Sign me the f*** up!
2young's case leads me to believe there might be a connection. If we take the fibrosis theory into consideration, maybe he broke it faster by furiously rolling his scalp with the force of a thousand suns.
However, everyone involved in this getting swollen lymph nodes isn't an ideal scenario, so I guess we'll never know for sure.
Whenever you feel like it, man. Let me know what you think if you do.
See ya around!

 

[Bill_Russo]

@Mandar kumthekar You are more likely to get cancer with bad dietary habits, such as chugging soda or eating sausages for breakfast every day (yup, they were found to increase the risk of getting cancer). Even then it's a stretch.
However, for the next 7 days after your needling session, you want to avoid going into the sun for long periods of time.

 

[Buchwald]

Thanks for the feedback. Should you replace your micro needles after use? Or can you use one many times if you just clean it in eg. isopropyl alcohol?

And Bill_Russo you mentioned you need to avoid sun. Is that important? I'm asking since im planning to go on a long vacation to a sunny place, while trying to maintain my routine..

 

[overpourgoodfortune]

You should continue taking finasteride, especially if you aren't getting any sides.

I like the idea of throwing one additional variable (needling) at the hair loss rather than two (needling + finasteride) at the same time. I had no side effects with minoxidil for nearly 2 years and am more comfortable with sustained use of that in my mind.

If I don't see progress with needling + minoxidil ... at least I can look at Finasteride again later. I feel now like it is the safer, more logical approach.

 

[ZidaneBaldGod]

Actually, i don't have SMP, yet.
@Bill_Russo
The reason why i didn't get SMP yet is because i have thin hair, but full coverage. If i shave, i still have a five o clock shadow.
Hell, even if i grow my hair out, not many people can tell that i'm balding, it just looks like i have funny looking hair.

I was planning on getting SMP once my thinning hair becomes too thin to provide a decent five o clock shadow.

But now?
I'm not even sure if i'll get SMP in the future, because if this sh*t works and i mantain/thicken my hair, i won't even need it.

So sorry guys, i can't help you.
I have no idea what would happen by rolling with SMP.
At worst, i think you might cause the pigment to lose strength.

Anyhow, my hair looks quite healthy, and it feels like i have at least slowed down my already suuuper slow hairloss. So i think needling is helping.

We'll see what happens in the next few months, this next Sunday will be my third rolling session.
It feels pretty nice honestly, it's kinda like a workout for my hair. No pain, no gain, bros.

 

[Bill_Russo]

Thanks for the feedback. Should you replace your micro needles after use? Or can you use one many times if you just clean it in eg. isopropyl alcohol?

And Bill_Russo you mentioned you need to avoid sun. Is that important? I'm asking since im planning to go on a long vacation to a sunny place, while trying to maintain my routine..

Yes, it is important. Reason being; chances of skin cancer dramatically increase with long exposure to UV radiation. You don't want that penetrating on your skin while it's repairing after a wounding session.
Easily solved by wearing a hat. Enjoy your vacation!

 

[bigjimmy]

I'm here all the time answering questions. I argued with you and the French bloke.

I don't have an Amazon affiliate account so those links earn me nothing.

I repeatedly stated you could get the same product cheaper elsewhere.

I have not posted any links on this forum or, if I have, will not do so again.

Trying to make money from it (and not on here) doesn't mean that I didn't get results. I think most believe that and I've helped loads of people.

That’s fair enough, I have one question though... what’s in the magic serum on your site?

 

[Derelict]

I had no success with minoxidil alone but it works with needling. There is no doubt that this is more beneficial if you use minoxidil.

I have no problem with you trying to make a bit of money, you have given alot of people hope with your success but can you explain what the shampoo,supplement and serum you are now selling is all about. You said yourself you wash your hair with anything at hand, you didn't mention taking any supplements and said you had a bad diet. All your results came from needling and minoxidil so why selling all this new stuff?

 

[Derelict]

The shampoo is Nizoral which I do use, the serum is minoxidil (not sure if I'm allowed to sell minoxidil yet) and the supplements will be biotin. Not of interest to anyone on here as you'll get it all cheaper individually.

Did you just start using nizoral and taking biotin recently?

 

[Kagaho]

I have to say, number guy @74775446 turning out to be quite the... "businessman" (selling a BS serum? what the hell!) is quite sad news.
Additionally, as was mentioned before, the Indian dermaroller studies were conducted by someone running a dermarolling business. Both @74775446 and the Indian study authors have a conflict of interest when claiming that this works.

It really casts a shadow of doubt on the whole approach. Especially as I have not gotten any results whatsoever after 3 months of rolling + minoxidil.

While the hypotheses behind why this approach (needling + minoxidil) supposedly works seem sound, it doesn't mean they are necessarily true. Many things sound nice in theory (especially if the theory hasn't been understood yet, like that of hairloss), but in practice don't really do anything.

Who here actually had success on dermarolling/needling alone, that for sure cannot be attributed to minoxidil? That is, people who were not starting minoxidil together with rolling (but were doing it for a longer time and only added rolling after) or aren't using any other treatments alongside?

Neither Dhurat 1st study nor the Chinese one with a dermapen like device declared conflict of interest. And those are the 2 really relevant. Stop saying nonsense.

Also I used minoxidil some years ago when I was on Finasteride then dropped it bcs it didnt do anything at all. It was only when I restarted using a dermaroller last year that regrowth happened .

Other users did too or keep regrowing hair well after the 1 year timeline, something that was conclusively impossible with minoxidil alone. Go check minoxidil long term studies.

And if you are going to play the "data gathering guy" game also check number guy messages and you will find that he repeatedly mention despite being sure minoxidil + dermastamp or roller was all it takes he was going to sell his own stuff.

 

[layabout]

The shampoo is Nizoral which I do use, the serum is minoxidil (not sure if I'm allowed to sell minoxidil yet) and the supplements will be biotin. Not of interest to anyone on here as you'll get it all cheaper individually.

Nice, okay bro. I'm on board if the serum is minoxidil. That was my main gripe with the whole thing, I felt like you were being disingenuous to potential customers. But in light of what you've said, I support the store now and upload you for your effort.s

 

[layabout]

Biotin yes because it was in a 'buy one get one for a penny' deal but Nizoral I've used for a while, although stopped for a bit. I definitely mentioned Nizoral in previous posts.

In that case your product is cheap as f*** dude. minoxidil+ dermapen+needles+nizoral+biotin for just like $50? thats a steal

how much does it cost you to get the minoxidil formulated?

 

[albert]

Noticing less blood and overall less pain (perhaps got used to it though, and can’t blame needles as they’re always new) during derminator sessions as time passes. Anyone else reporting the same?

 

[ghosthairkillah]

LOL what’s with all the disinfo in regards to needling now? Nothing wrong with @74775446 trying to make some money from the general public who don’t have the time to spend every day in this thread. Even if he was a scammer we’ve seen great results for multiple users who weren’t experiencing any regrowth while being on just min. Someone could create a pill that brings everyone to a NW0 with the density they had as a 15 year old and we’d have people here questioning it. Microneedling is by far the best thing we have now but by all means start taking finasteride and neuter yourselves instead.

 

[layabout]

Thanks but I cannot reiterate enough that I don't want to sell to you guys. We have our own thing going so ignore what I'm selling to other people - it's the same stuff I used but you know where to get it cheaper.

Bro, there is a great opportunity here. You could create your own, unique minoxidil formulation and sell it separately as well.

 

[bigjimmy]

Minoxidil - just not quite sure if it's allowed to be sold yet so calling it 'serum' . The site isn't really up and running yet but ideally the box will contain minoxidil, nizoral and biotin vitamins.

As I've said a million times over, it really won't be of interest to people on here as we can get the same stuff cheaper. I'm just trying to make some money from the masses and think I'm offering a good thing. It doesn't need to be discussed here - I've got no desire to take a cent from any of you.

Ok thanks, seems reasonable enough to me.

Now everybody can continue...as you were!

 

[ToLGuy]

At first I was a bit shocked by the obscure serum stuff, although I didn't care much anyways. But now, @74775446 has made clear its just minoxidil and ketoconazole. So it's nothing new and nothing he didn't state before in this thread. At least he's been transparent. Now please let's all move on and keep this thread alive and on its rails.

I hope this is enough for ending the whole paranoia that was going on here, including the folks asking for a new thread to be created.