Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

[Pelimorfo]

did @2young2retire post new pics?

I don't want to go trawling through 150 pages of thread. What did he say? Does he still have his gains or not? Did he eventually get on minoxidil? I just went through his old thread from 2014

I want to asko the same. Any recent photo of @2young2retire ?

 

[Arrade]

minoxidil does the heavy lifting. Some delusional people here may claim needling is better than minoxidil alone, but its not even close.

I see you’re a BIg 3 fanatic. Good to know.

 

[Arrade]

hairliciously just made a new video on dermapens, seems like our little massive thread is having ripples on the hair loss community

Lucky bastard, makes money parasiting off us

 

[Bill_Russo]

minoxidil does the heavy lifting. Some delusional people here may claim needling is better than minoxidil alone, but its not even close.

Dude, it's not the "delusional people" here claiming it. It's the goddamn studies. Stop spreading horseshit and read.
Are the studies delusional, then?

 

[benjt2]

@benjt2 also took the survey

Nickname: luen12
Age: 21
Hairloss started at: not really sure, I never actually had the perfect hairline as a child, probably noticed it around age 14/15 when I started to care about it
Current Norwood: Norwood 2,5
Balding pattern: mostly receding
Affected areas: frontal hairline + temples
Treatment history:

• Minoxidil since 01/2017 until 04/2017 + 07/2017 until 11/2017 on hairline/temples only (after stopping in November 2017 huge shed, lost an entire scale (from Norwood 1,5-2 to Norwood 2,5-3) + telogen effluvium on the top of my head, extreme shedding ended 06/2018, since then slight recovery, but mostly vellus hair at hairline/temple)
• Ketoconazol 2% shampoo (2-3x a week9 since 02/2018 until now
• Finasteride since mid 10/2018 until 11/2018 (got prescription from my dermatologist, didn’t have any side effects, but I wanted to try if a less agressive approach works, because I don’t want to use it for the rest of my life)
• 1,7ml RU 3% (ca. 50 mg) every night since 11/2018 (not really a fan of it either, but it doesn’t give me sides and I feel more comfortable with a topical approach, looking forward to replacing it with Breezula in the future)

Needling since: mid November 2018
Needling until: still needling
Not needling anymore because: ---
Needling frequency (average): every two weeks
Needling, total number of sessions: 7
Needling device: generic electric dermapen, switched to Derminator 2 since 7th session
Needling depth/needle length: first 6 sessions 1,5mm, now 2mm
Needling intensity: redness + drawing few drops of blood
Needled areas: entire top of head (Hairline, temples, crown, vertex)
Needling side effects: redness for 3 days, flaking after 7 days
Using minoxidil: no, mainly because of my negative experience after stopping it
On minoxidil since: ---
Using other treatments at the same time: 1,7 ml of RU 3% every night (50mg) started two weeks before needling
Witnessing regrowth: yes
Regrowth since: End of January 2019
Pattern of regrowth: existing vellus hair on hair line grows stronger + can feel a lot of short hair on my entire head
Description of and satisfaction with regrowth: +2, but expecting more to come
Photos showing own progress or lack thereof: will follow mid February

Thanks!

Added your data to the survey thread.

 

[ZidaneBaldGod]

Session number 6th. 1 month and 2 weeks of needling so far.

I can now confirm: the flakiness that i experienced in the first few weeks has returned to baseline levels.

Actually, it might even have decreased.
The flakes are now much tinier and more sparse. I'd say a 30% reduction in flakiness.

Hair and scalp continue to look super healthy.
Sebum and oily hair is at an all time low!
I can just rinse my head in cold water and i'm ready to go!

Now i just need to see if this fixes the oilness with long hair too! If it does, that would be amazing.

Can't see any particular signs of thickening so far, but my hair feels healthier. Maybe the photos will reveal something next month!

 

[spooon]

As the poster above said, anything that is effective will historically induce a shed, but the majority of needlers here have not reported shedding before achieving growth. Like you, I'm waiting for someone to report that, because I was shedding between 75 and 150 hairs a day for a couple of weeks. I'm now down to around 50 to 75, but the loss has become noticeable.

I'm not seeing any hair fall as such (that stopped 10 years ago) just increased miniaturisation / less hair thickness

 

[Armando Jose]

Not sure if people have posted this before, but to add to your point.. here is proof that wounding can lead to generation of new follicles in humans..

If you have full access to the article, you can see the photo.. 1 fully terminal hair.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29310861/

Only question is.. can we control this process to improve the outcome? (I’m looking at you cotsarelis)

In the study you cited
"Hair regeneration in elderly scalp wound has never been observed"
What about the BBQ guy? Not a lot of reading in journals

BTW, can you post the image?

 

[Armando Jose]

Accutane reduces sebaceous glands size, yet people report balding on it.

Sebum is vital for a healthy scalp hair, but with mesure

Actually, having a transplant without using finasteride and minoxidil is pointless, and the most pro surgeons even advice that to patients. A transplant will never be enough to cover the entire potentially balding area, so everyone should jump on treatments to conserve native hairs that are still prone to be lost.
That, in my opinion, is what makes transplants kinda pointless. I am already on finasteride and I am always paranoid of keep losing hair. A transplant will not take that anxiety away because it's not preventing further loss. What I (and most of us) need is something that works and actually prevents further loss in the long term. I really hope needling is the savior. Only time will tell.

I am with you, prevention better than cure

 

[PeggyPeterson]

In the study you cited
"Hair regeneration in elderly scalp wound has never been observed"
What about the BBQ guy? Not a lot of reading in journals

BTW, can you post the image?

I did post an image 2 posts after the one you just quoted.

 

[Armando Jose]

Thank you PeggyPeterson,
terminal hairs for sure, not a good density thought,
I suposse three months before/after,

 

[ToLGuy]

Hey guys, so it´s finally the day to assess whether there has been progress in my crown or not, by conducting the experiment I proposed a couple of days ago.

A bit of background: I have been needling for 3 months now with a dermapen at 2mm. I have been on minoxidil and finasteride for nearly 3 years. Minoxidil gave me awesome regrowth in the first months of usage, but that regrowth was quickly lost within 8 months, so I got to baseline again. I think fiansteride has maintained my hair and halted the progress of hair loss. SO, given that minoxidil and finas have already reched their peak of performance years ago, if something good happens right now it is 99% likely that it comes from needling.
As you will see, my severely affected area is the crown, and that is my number one priority to restore. My hairline has been decent since I first noticed my hairloss 3.5 years ago, but in the last year it started to lose a bit of ground.

The experiment: After waiting 3 months, I fianlly could take photos of my crown so I can compare them to the pic I took back in October before starting my needling regimen. I took exactly 4 different pics today, for a total of 5 pictures that I am posting here including the "before pic". Here is the thing, in order to remove any bias, I have randomly (using a RNG function) put a number to each of the 5 pics. Only one of them is the "before needling" pic, adn the other 4 are the "after" pic. The idea is that you guys pick the one you think is the "before" pic. If needling really started to work in these 3 months, most of you should converge and pick the correct "before pic" (only I know which is the real one). On the other hand, if you guys pick different pictures and there is no clear trend, then that means that there is no significant difference between pics and that I have made ZERO cosmetic progress with this regime.

I now this is too early to judge, but I will do this every three months to get unbiased assessments from you guys, and to remove any placebo self-perception of my progress (if any).

Note: I am not posting any pics of my hairline because I never took one before needling, but I can tell you that my hairline is unambiguously getting regrowth from needling. FOr the pics of my crown, I tried my best to take them with the same angle, same ilumination (direct sunlight from my window), same hair length, and most importantly, I tried my best to style my hair in the worst way to expose as mush bald area as possible. So, this is the worst that my scalp can look.

Would you guys please start voting? Gonna tag some of the usernames coming to my mind:
@Bill_Russo
@Pigeon
@layabout
@sportsguy97
@ZenHead
@Longway886
@Kitedude
@kiwi666
@Kagaho
@Arrade
@The 7TH Sense
Remember, just pick the one you think is the "worst" one in terms of baldness, and post the number here as a reply. Once I reach about 10-15 votes I will reveal you which is the true "before pic" and the experiment will conclude.

Thanks in advance

Guys, I want to thank you all for voting and helping me with this experiment. After discarding the vote of one person who mentioned the best instead of the worst, there were 11 votes total. Here are the results, arranged from most to less voted:

Picture#2: 63.6% (7 votes)
Picture#3: 18.2% (2 votes)
Picture #1 and #4: 9.1% each one (1 vote each one)
Picture #5: 0% (no votes)

Now that this is over, I am telling you that the real "before" pic is actually #2, which got over 60% of the votes.
I have to be honest, when I took the after pics over the last couple of days I saw absolutely no difference at all, but I guess this experiment tells me there is something very mild going on, even though it is hardly noticeable. Of course this result is far from unambiguous, as some you did claim that picking just one pic was very difficult.
I will repeat this in three months from now and do the same experiment if you allow me to do it.

Thanks again, guys.

 

[kungfukenny]

Sometimes people just don't respond as well to dutasteride as they did to finasteride...I've seen multiple reports of people who had a rapidly receding hairline on dutasteride but not on finasteride...I did have my blood checked though and everything was fine. Ive dropped the dutasteride and now I have hardly any inflammation on the hairline left.

What do you need to get checked in a blood test?

 

[kungfukenny]

I'm not seeing any hair fall as such (that stopped 10 years ago) just increased miniaturisation / less hair thickness

How long have you been microneedling?

 

[spooon]

How long have you been microneedling?

1 month, weekly at 2mm

 

[Bill_Russo]

I'm not seeing any hair fall as such (that stopped 10 years ago) just increased miniaturisation / less hair thickness

I told myself that I was just imagining things, but I could swear my worst hit area (hairline) is thinner but only on the left side (which is more advanced than the right side). Shedding has also decreased (wasn't bad to begin with tho). Overall hair quality has improved too. I'm one month in.
Not gonna obsess over it and just keep on needling.

 

[layabout]

So... for all of you saying minoxidil is doing the heavy lifting, then how did I get such regrowth in just barely 2 months?

When before I took Minoxidil for two months alone and had no results or even maintenance.

Since minoxidil can start a fresh anagen phase for some of your hair follicles, it usually takes several months before you'll notice any effects on hair growth. Most studies indicate that the results from minoxidil usually start to show after six months, with few or no visible results in the first three months of use.

Even minoxidil hyper-responders take like 3 months to start seeing anything.

It's the same thing with @2young2retire, he took minoxidil for like 5 weeks... grew back all his f*****g hair with dermarolling and then people were telling him it had been the minoxidil gains, despite the fact he had only taken it for five weeks inconsistently....

Then these same people will turn around and tell a newbie that it's normal for him to not see anything at all at 8 months of 2x a day minoxidil application.

It seems very obvious to me that these users who criticize the efficacy of microneedling have an agenda they are trying to push or a status quo to maintain (not delving into any conspiracies)

I have taken minoxidil just once a day, often missing many days... but yeah, somehow I become a hyperresponder and regrew entire patchy sections despite getting no results before for a longer period

 

[Arrade]

Dude, it's not the "delusional people" here claiming it. It's the goddamn studies. Stop spreading horseshit and read.
Are the studies delusional, then?

Yapapaaaaa has no hope. We must leave him in the dark

 

[JJL58]

So... for all of you saying minoxidil is doing the heavy lifting, then how did I get such regrowth in just barely 2 months?

When before I took Minoxidil for two months alone and had no results or even maintenance.



Even minoxidil hyper-responders take like 3 months to start seeing anything.

It's the same thing with @2young2retire, he took minoxidil for like 5 weeks... grew back all his f*****g hair with dermarolling and then people were telling him it had been the minoxidil gains, despite the fact he had only taken it for five weeks inconsistently....

Then these same people will turn around and tell a newbie that it's normal for him to not see anything at all at 8 months of 2x a day minoxidil application.
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It seems very obvious to me that these users who criticize the efficacy of microneedling have an agenda they are trying to push or a status quo to maintain (not delving into any conspiracies)

I have taken minoxidil just once a day, often missing many days... but yeah, somehow I become a hyperresponder and regrew entire patchy sections despite getting no results before for a longer period

Yeah, im one of the few on here who is a strong believer in not only Microneedling but the intensity to generate hair regrowth. I firmly believe wounding hard will lead most to success, although it's clear some has responded well to just mild wounding and redness.

 

[Bill_Russo]

Yapapaaaaa has no hope. We must leave him in the dark

Yeah, I guess he should know at this point. I recall seeing him when the thread was at ~150 pages or so and this has been repeated over a thousand times since then; so either he's blind or he doesn't really care about the facts.
Which reminds me: we made it over the 300 page mark! Yay. Glad that this is still going... It was soooo close to being truly fucked into the dirt the last time...