Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

[yayapapaya]

How quickly did you recede on the norwood scale if you don't mind me asking? I didn't respond to 7.5 mg of oral minoxidil, do you think this could be more beneficial?

Pretty fast thinning and some receding.
I never tried oral minoxidil. You best bet is to use try topical and needling together. You may respond, maybe not. If you don't respond, you will need seti.

 

[ToLGuy]

Wtf.... Chen, not only your results are awesome, but you also provide some valuable clues that answer some of the biggest questions that still remain regarding microneesling: optimal frequency.
We still can make bold conclusions based upon a single individual, but I think we can argue that the "don't needle to often" and "you gotta let your scalp recover" might actually be just speculation without empirical evidence. With Chen, and also partially with Somebody (Alex), we could begin to suspect that needling everyday at least DOES NOT hinder regrowth, as many dudes here have claimed.

Also, Chen's case also provides support to the idea that unlike minoxidil, microneedling gains are not lost with time, and moreover, regrowth can keep happening even after years. This last thing had somewhat been documented before when PrettyFly claimed he was still gaining ground after 2 years, but was somewhat doubted again when 2young2retire came here a couple of months ago and was avoiding questions regarding his current hair status.

Again, as with science, and as a golden rule in statistics, solid conclusions must not be made with single cases, but at least we should take Chen's insifhtful case as a starting point to try high frequency needling.
I will personally keep needling only once a week for a year. If I see no progress, I will follow a more aggressive approach like Chen does.

This might be the start of a paradigm shift guys. At first we didn't have data coz studies didn't test this aspect, now we are starting to get some.

 

[Norwood Recovery]

1.5+ needling and 0.5 needling are basically two different methods of action.

Deeper needling (spaced out) will do more to spur the body to form & repair follicles.

Shallow needling (every day) is doing more to help absorption of topicals being applied.


I doubt that 0.5 needling (every day) would be very effective without any topicals.

Wtf.... Chen, not only your results are awesome, but you also provide some valuable clues that answer some of the biggest questions that still remain regarding microneesling: optimal frequency.
We still can make bold conclusions based upon a single individual, but I think we can argue that the "don't needle to often" and "you gotta let your scalp recover" might actually be just speculation without empirical evidence. With Chen, and also partially with Somebody (Alex), we could begin to suspect that needling everyday at least DOES NOT hinder regrowth, as many dudes here have claimed.

Also, Chen's case also provides support to the idea that unlike minoxidil, microneedling gains are not lost with time, and moreover, regrowth can keep happening even after years. This last thing had somewhat been documented before when PrettyFly claimed he was still gaining ground after 2 years, but was somewhat doubted again when 2young2retire came here a couple of months ago and was avoiding questions regarding his current hair status.

Again, as with science, and as a golden rule in statistics, solid conclusions must not be made with single cases, but at least we should take Chen's insifhtful case as a starting point to try high frequency needling.
I will personally keep needling only once a week for a year. If I see no progress, I will follow a more aggressive approach like Chen does.

This might be the start of a paradigm shift guys. At first we didn't have data coz studies didn't test this aspect, now we are starting to get some.

The above poster made some good points I believe. It could be light rolling every day is just an absorbtion enhancement. Food for thought

 

[ToLGuy]

1.5+ needling and 0.5 needling are basically two different methods of action.

Deeper needling (spaced out) will do more to spur the body to form & repair follicles.

Shallow needling (every day) is doing more to help absorption of topicals being applied.


I doubt that 0.5 needling (every day) would be very effective without any topicals.

The thing is that minoxidil will not mantain gains in the long term, whether its absorbtion is boosted or not. So, if needling everyday is just boosting minoxidil absorbtion, we should see greater regrowth in the first months of usage compared to the non-needling minoxidil users and eventually the loss of gains, but we certainly shouldn't expect the prolonged regrowth that is observed in Chen's case. He's been keeping his gains and he continues to see progress even after 3 years. No individual has displayed such a feat on minoxidil. No one.

 

[ToLGuy]

The above poster made some good points I believe. It could be light rolling every day is just an absorbtion enhancement. Food for thought

See my response above. A boost in absorbtion CANNOT explain prolonged gains of minoxidil.

I am not claiming that the only explanation of Chen's gains is his high frequency. An alternative explanation is that Chen is a good responder to needling, and that he would have made those gains needling once a week anyways. What this does tell us, though, is that needling too often will probably NOT hinder progress. That claim about "let your scalp recover 2 weeks or more" should be seriously revised.

 

[Me Vs DiffuseThinning]

There is also a matter of practicality. I think it's a problem for most of us in our social lives if our head is visibly wounded everyday.

 

[ToLGuy]

There is also a matter of practicality. I think it's a problem for most of us in our social lives if our head is visibly wounded everyday.

Absolutely. It would be a pain in the *** doing it everyday. However, I would say it is worth a try (if it is eventually proved that dsyly needling is more effective) if in the long run people don't respond at all to the weekly regimen.
What I would do is try the weekly regime for 1 to 1. 5 years, if results are poor, then I would try the daily regimen. If I achieve my goals, I would get to weekly sessions again for mantainance. Of course, assuming that gains are maintained when frequency is lowered once again.

Doing it daily for life is something that 99% of people wouldn't definitely do (including myself).

 

[kiwi666]

Seventh or eighth session in. Hurt like a son of a b**ch at 1.75mm last night.

There’s got to be a better way to log. Okay google docs here I come.

I’m not sure whether I’m getting growth or not. Nothing cosmetic at the moment to report yet - but I’m not complaining.

However. Chen’s post made my day. And I plan on starting minoxidil in April after my holiday.

Hopefully just stamping by then has strengthened my hair and I’ve minimised the risks of a shed.

Oh and I’ve started taking anti-inflammatory pills right after and the following morning. If there is any chance that needling causes more inflammation hopefully that is a good counter measure.

 

[sportsguy97]

Absolutely. It would be a pain in the *** doing it everyday. However, I would say it is worth a try (if it is eventually proved that dsyly needling is more effective) if in the long run people don't respond at all to the weekly regimen.
What I would do is try the weekly regime for 1 to 1. 5 years, if results are poor, then I would try the daily regimen. If I achieve my goals, I would get to weekly sessions again for mantainance. Of course, assuming that gains are maintained when frequency is lowered once again.

Doing it daily for life is something that 99% of people wouldn't definitely do (including myself).

I think wounding for maitenance and wounding for growth are definitely going to be different.Considering I’m one of the studies the guys stopped for a couple months and maintained. As well as 2young maintaining I’d say this is a def possibility.

Wounding for regrowth - obviously More often

For maitenance - I think maybe once a month could suffice. Prevent cell death and fibrosis.

I also think it’s positive people are getting results using different timeframes between needling. A lot of variables still to consider.

 

[kiwi666]

The thing is that minoxidil will not mantain gains in the long term, whether its absorbtion is boosted or not. So, if needling everyday is just boosting minoxidil absorbtion, we should see greater regrowth in the first months of usage compared to the non-needling minoxidil users and eventually the loss of gains, but we certainly shouldn't expect the prolonged regrowth that is observed in Chen's case. He's been keeping his gains and he continues to see progress even after 3 years. No individual has displayed such a feat on minoxidil. No one.

Sorry for being dim. Sooooooo needling and min cause growth yup... even if Minoxidil effects ware off the needling may retain that hair despite its effects waring off.

Anyway I felt strangely optimist after reading your last posts.

 

[overpourgoodfortune]

I figured it was only a matter of time before someone like @chen walked in here. Slick bald forehead and temples with tons of regrowth. Damn.

Where's my pen?! Time for some needling.

 

[layabout]

The thing is that minoxidil will not mantain gains in the long term, whether its absorbtion is boosted or not. So, if needling everyday is just boosting minoxidil absorbtion, we should see greater regrowth in the first months of usage compared to the non-needling minoxidil users and eventually the loss of gains, but we certainly shouldn't expect the prolonged regrowth that is observed in Chen's case. He's been keeping his gains and he continues to see progress even after 3 years. No individual has displayed such a feat on minoxidil. No one.

chen is on minoxidil + finasteride though

 

[Me Vs DiffuseThinning]

Absolutely. It would be a pain in the *** doing it everyday. However, I would say it is worth a try (if it is eventually proved that dsyly needling is more effective) if in the long run people don't respond at all to the weekly regimen.
What I would do is try the weekly regime for 1 to 1. 5 years, if results are poor, then I would try the daily regimen. If I achieve my goals, I would get to weekly sessions again for mantainance. Of course, assuming that gains are maintained when frequency is lowered once again.

Doing it daily for life is something that 99% of people wouldn't definitely do (including myself).

You definitely have good evidence for doing it everyday, if you choose to do so. Good luck, bro. Keep us updated.

 

[Me Vs DiffuseThinning]

chen is on minoxidil + finasteride though

Correct, and finasteride peaks at 2 years.

 

[Aliens]

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I'm using this pen, it's 100% going up and down.

Yeah I discovered I had a slow motion mode on my phone and indeed it is going up and down!

Thank you!

 

[Notreallyhere]

Correct, and finasteride peaks at 2 years.

Has there ever been a mid 30s person regrow slick forehead before from finasteride ? i been on it 10 years all it did for me is change remaining hair from blonde to brown

 

[Xander94]

Oh and I’ve started taking anti-inflammatory pills right after and the following morning. If there is any chance that needling causes more inflammation hopefully that is a good counter measure.

wait atleast a day with the anti inflammatories some inflammation is required to trigger growth pathways

 

[jh0nnyc4sh]

Yes. And minoxidil 24hours in your head. If dermaroller 1.0 is too much. Try use 0.5 or 0.75

Amazing results chen. Do you use any sort of disinfectant before/after like betadine ir something else?

 

[chen]

1.5+ needling and 0.5 needling are basically two different methods of action.

Deeper needling (spaced out) will do more to spur the body to form & repair follicles.

Shallow needling (every day) is doing more to help absorption of topicals being applied.


I doubt that 0.5 needling (every day) would be very effective without any topicals.

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even if it stimulates using the other method the hairs that arise will fall because they have the calvic gene.
all this recovered hair will fall if not always stimulated
calvice is a condition of your body
if you prefer to bleed once a week or every month or use every day, or use finasteride or minoxidil does not matter, in the end we only do this to get our hair back.
for me the important thing is to have a result no matter the method
this method I can follow for years.

 

[chen]

Amazing results chen. Do you use any sort of disinfectant before/after like betadine ir something else?

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No, it's not bleeding and I'm too lazy to clean the dermaroller.
I do not put anything on my head.
but I think the most correct and safe way is to at least clean the dermaroller