Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

[Stating facts]

I am not sure about sides. Users have reported more hair loss claiming to more concentrated usage. Other than that I do not remember of reading any sides.

 

[Chris-lee09]

Oh ok so no one really noes how to use it properly yet then thats a shame

 

[dsd1984]

Saw this today about Sandalore

https://www-express-co-uk.cdn.amppr...reatment-sandalwood-oil-stimulate-hair-growth

 

[Stating facts]

the article speaks about Sandalwood oil, and not Sandalore. However, few users have shared experiences of Sandalore. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[dsd1984]

If you read further down:

Sandalore is an aritifcal scent that smells like sandalwood.

Six days after exposure, keratin levels in the scalp began to increase.

 

[Raksha]

Here's my 1 year comparison pictures. I've been using a dermaroller for a total of 2.5 years and I haven't taken a picture of my hair in a year. I thought I would take some pictures and compare them. I think it looks like slight improvement, but It could be the lighting or it could be my hair is a little longer. My hair can look much better / worse depending on the lighting anyway, but I tried to recreate the picture as best as possible. Even took them at the same time of day.

One thing I know for sure though is I have little blonde fuzzy hair all over my scalp, I was actually able to get a photo of some longer ones. They aren't visible unless the light hits them just right and the smaller ones are even less visible. They don't have any color so I'm hoping they darken at some point. If I dye my hair I think my hair would look twice as thick.

 

[dsd1984]

Just dermaroller only?

Is it after pics first?

 

[Raksha]

Just dermaroller only?

Is it after pics first?

Oops! I realized I mixed up my pictures. I just fixed them so the first pic is the before and the second is the after. I also use finasteride and minoxidil. I've been using 1mm 3 times a week for the past few months, but before that I was using 1.5mm once every week. I just added the 1.5mm back, but only do it every two weeks.

 

[fran15]

Oops! I realized I mixed up my pictures. I just fixed them so the first pic is the before and the second is the after. I also use finasteride and minoxidil. I've been using 1mm 3 times a week for the past few months, but before that I was using 1.5mm once every week. I just added the 1.5mm back, but only do it every two weeks.

So is the before pic after 1.5 years of dermarolling and the after pic after 2.5 years dermarolling? If so, that's great to know that you can get improvements after a year. I've been at doing it about 15 months without much in the way of results, hopefully within in a year or so I might get improvement.

 

[Raksha]

So is the before pic after 1.5 years of dermarolling and the after pic after 2.5 years dermarolling? If so, that's great to know that you can get improvements after a year. I've been at doing it about 15 months without much in the way of results, hopefully within in a year or so I might get improvement.

Yes that's exactly right! The first year and a half my hair stayed exactly the same. I didn't even have those tiny blonde hairs that I have a picture of. Although my first year I wasn't dermarolling very regularly.
I have a theory that if you've been balding for longer periods then dermarolling takes longer to work. I remember first noticing some hair loss at age 20-21 and I probably was balding before that, but didn't notice. I didn't even start any real treatment till I was 26.

 

[baldlygoing]

Yes that's exactly right! The first year and a half my hair stayed exactly the same. I didn't even have those tiny blonde hairs that I have a picture of. Although my first year I wasn't dermarolling very regularly.
I have a theory that if you've been balding for longer periods then dermarolling takes longer to work. I remember first noticing some hair loss at age 20-21 and I probably was balding before that, but didn't notice. I didn't even start any real treatment till I was 26.

I agree with this as well but usually keep to myself because a lot of people will immediately say "oh it's minoxidil that's doing it". That statement, while not entirely untrue, addresses the short-term gains achieved. I believe needling, done consistently, will have a significant impact in the long-term.

The issue is people believe in this "give something at least 6 or 12 months before assessing". This is a completely different mechanism and isn't a topical that will show immediate (i.e. 6-12 months) effects. It will take time.

I also believe that once the results of wound regeneration are achieved it will take longer for them to subside, whereas with minoxidil those gains will probably be lost immediately.

 

[Capone]

Here's my 1 year comparison pictures. I've been using a dermaroller for a total of 2.5 years and I haven't taken a picture of my hair in a year. I thought I would take some pictures and compare them. I think it looks like slight improvement, but It could be the lighting or it could be my hair is a little longer. My hair can look much better / worse depending on the lighting anyway, but I tried to recreate the picture as best as possible. Even took them at the same time of day.

One thing I know for sure though is I have little blonde fuzzy hair all over my scalp, I was actually able to get a photo of some longer ones. They aren't visible unless the light hits them just right and the smaller ones are even less visible. They don't have any color so I'm hoping they darken at some point. If I dye my hair I think my hair would look twice as thick.

It’s just combed over. The front of the hairline in the 2nd pic looks thinner if you zoom in

 

[opti]

Do you guys notice bigger veins/arteries at the temple/forehead ? Just curios. Rolled couple of times and years ago as well, and my forehead/temple artieries are crazy thick ( still balding though,lol)

 

[Raksha]

It’s just combed over. The front of the hairline in the 2nd pic looks thinner if you zoom in

Yeah I think the same thing actually.

Here's another picture of the hairline, no topikk on either picture. I know for sure I at least haven't lost anything. The longer / brushed over hair definitely hides the diffuse better.
Like I said before though I do have a bunch of small blonde hairs, but they aren't dark enough to have a cosmetic effect.

I'm going to cut my hair really short this weekend and compare it to some other pics where I had short hair. Maybe I'll even buzz it down and see what it looks like. Do you guys know if dying my hair would make the smaller hairs show up better?

 

[fran15]

Yeah I think the same thing actually.

Here's another picture of the hairline, no topikk on either picture. I know for sure I at least haven't lost anything. The longer / brushed over hair definitely hides the diffuse better.
Like I said before though I do have a bunch of small blonde hairs, but they aren't dark enough to have a cosmetic effect.

I'm going to cut my hair really short this weekend and compare it to some other pics where I had short hair. Maybe I'll even buzz it down and see what it looks like. Do you guys know if dying my hair would make the smaller hairs show up better?

Definitely looks like an improvement to me.

 

[cr1msonj]

Yep I made the decision to drop needling as my crown was starting to thin again. First picture below is with needling every week and 2nd pic is no needling but mixing 1% of sandalore to 1ml of minoxidil. Gaining ground back slowly

Hey man , how do you mix the sandalore in minoxidil for the 1ml?

 

[Capone]

Yeah I think the same thing actually.

Here's another picture of the hairline, no topikk on either picture. I know for sure I at least haven't lost anything. The longer / brushed over hair definitely hides the diffuse better.
Like I said before though I do have a bunch of small blonde hairs, but they aren't dark enough to have a cosmetic effect.

I'm going to cut my hair really short this weekend and compare it to some other pics where I had short hair. Maybe I'll even buzz it down and see what it looks like. Do you guys know if dying my hair would make the smaller hairs show up better?

Beware the buzz cut, it can have you staring for hours lol

 

[Mr.Sprinkles79]

Guys check your pens. I started needling/minoxidil foam with a Dr. Pen A7 jan 2019. I saw cosmetic improvement at about 60 days. I switched to liquid minoxidil at 60 days. From the start i felt the effects of the minoxidil pretty hard. Face was bloated body aches ect. After switching i didnt notice the sides nearly as much. Also I didnt seem to bleed or have a sore scalp or peel like when i started. At about 5 months I started to lose alot of vellus hair. Alot. I had pretty big problems in life at that point so it was something i couldnt worry about. Lost probably 60% of my gains. I thought maybe my skin was becoming scarred from the needling. It also didnt seem to hurt nearly as much. It felt like my pen was just banging my scalp.

I bought a new pen last week. A M8 with the new 16 needle cartridge. Hurt like a b**ch and bled. I think these pens wear out, i remember a few ppl saying they didnt bleed as much atfer a few months. The A7 seems like a high quality device. Its heavier than the M8 and has a faster speed. But the A7 just dosent wound anymore. New tips didnt make a difference.

heres the link to the ebay seller i got both pens from. My only concern with this seller was the fact this listing was about $30-40 bucks cheaper than other suppliers in the US and amazon. I hope its not a knock off or something.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Electric-A...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

 

[baldlygoing]

Has anyone considered radio frequency machines to use in conjunction with needling? I had considered using on my face and found some relatively low-priced units for sale on Amazon.

Does anyone have experience with these, and if so are these budget models comparable to office treatments? I realize it won't be as good as the professional units used in a dermatologist's office.

Lastly, is there any opinion as to if this could have a negative effect on hair?

 

[Derelict]

New study:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32412314

https://www.docdroid.net/H0V0vzZ/101080-at-0954663420201770162-pdf

https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32412314

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J Dermatolog Treat. 2020 May 15:1-44. doi: 10.1080/09546634.2020.1770162. [Epub ahead of print]
Randomized trial of electrodynamic microneedling combined with 5% minoxidil topical solution for treating androgenetic alopecia in Chinese males and molecular mechanistic study of the involvement of the Wnt/β-catenin signaling pathway.
Bao L1,2, Zong H3, Fang S1, Zheng L1, Li Y2.
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Abstract
Background: Treatment of androgenetic alopecia (Androgenetic Alopecia) with concurrent electrodynamic microneedling and 5% minoxidil may further stimulate hair growth.Objectives: To evaluate the efficacy of microneedling combined with 5% minoxidil in Chinese male Androgenetic Alopecia patients and to explore the underlying mechanisms.Methods: Seventy-one male volunteers with Androgenetic Alopecia completed the entire trial and follow-up. The first group (n = 23) received only 5% minoxidil twice daily for 24 weeks; the second group (n = 23) received only microneedle therapy every 3 weeks for 8 treatments; and the third group (n = 25) received the combination treatment for a total of 24 weeks. Changes in hair density and diameter were evaluated before and after treatment every 3 weeks, and patients were followed up at 6 months after the final treatment. In the combination group, a PCR array was used to detect the expression of molecules in the Wnt/β-catenin pathway within the hair loss sites on top of the head before and after treatment and within the scalp tissues from non-hair loss sites on top of the head. The tissues were obtained by punches in the most severe area of hair loss on top of the head and in the adjacent normal hair area without hair loss. Real-time quantitative PCR and western blotting were used to further examine changes in the differentially expressed molecules identified by PCR array (FZD3) and in molecules in the Wnt/β-catenin signaling pathway closely related to hair growth (β-catenin and LEF-1).Results: Compared to single minoxidil or single microneedle treatment, the combination therapy showed superior therapeutic effects clinically, with further upregulation of FZD3, β-catenin, and LEF-1 expression levels at both mRNA and protein levels in the treated areas.Conclusions: Microneedling combined with 5% minoxidil can improve Androgenetic Alopecia, and the underlying mechanism may involve activation of the Wnt/β-catenin signaling pathway.

I think the debate about whether needling along with minoxidil is beneficial has pretty much ended already, it's clearly superior to minoxidil alone. Good article though, thanks.