Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

5minutesbeforemiracle

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Is there consensus about how permanent those results are if one would continue that protocol indefinately? I have read that there can be a boost in hair, but around the 2 year mark the results regress. Sometimes back to baseline. Is wounding + minoxidil a solution for the longer term?
The "consensus" is that you need finasteride if you want to keep results for longer term. minoxidil will give regrowth but won't stop continued loss.
I have read at least one case though of someone who maintained long term on minoxidil only, but I suppose it's quite rare. As an earlier poster mentioned, you want the synergy of combined treatments for best results. Finasteride + minoxidil + dermarolling is best for long-term... if you're too scared for finasteride, supposedly dermarolling + minoxidil has a much longer life for results, compared to minoxidil alone.
 

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Is there any reason to microneedle while taking only Oral minoxidil and finasteride? From what I have read microneedling is only for the absorption of liquid minoxidil on the scalp right?
No. It produces minor wounds that promote stem cell revitalization and hair follicle cross-talk potentially in addition to the added absorption of meds. You need sulfurotransferase for minoxidil to work but to my knowledge microneedling doesn't increase sulfurotransferase on it's own. I use substantial retin-A and topical minoxidil and estrogen on my hair and then estrogen and retin-A on my neck but none of us can say much because we all use multiple treatments and there's a huge tension between what I am doing in terms of promoting my own hair growth and my being a data point. So the single shot microneedling folks are very important so people should try different things but the scar relief for me was so amazing and unbelievable that it's clear that it has revitalized my entire scalp of hair. Microneedling and estradiol and then adding oral min have saved me and saved my focus in life. All three I know work very well but I can't prove it except for the scar relief and I have posted pictures of all of those failed plugs from 25 years ago and it's hard to even find them now and many were unproductive to begin with and it's all clean, fresh tissue that is apparently follicle bearing and we used to think that was impossible. HRT and microneedling and oral min are mind-blowing and the entire transformation for me has been almost perfectly androgynous which is exciting and mind-blowing to me as well. I was kind of bored being the other guy balding with the constant five o'clock shadow and hang-dog look all of the time.
 

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What needle length would help with the fue scars? Thanks for the help! Is 1.5mm too much for the sides of the head?
No. All lengths seem to work great for scar tissue but it might be that as you go along you want slightly longer ones. I tried 2.5mm and that broke and I am using mostly 2.0mm now but also a couple of less deep models. The longer needles work better for longer hair but I have had to start doing it in front of the mirror and not the tv but it will snag if you don't hold the hair down. I am going to focus on the temples now because I can see some scarring and under-productive grafts there. They took hair out to put my transplant in, that's how dumb I was. Never do that. If you aren't bald enough to fit them in, then wait or better don't go forward for others with diffuse thinning.
 

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I stopped needling after 1.5 years @ 1mm each week. I'm on oral dutasteride, Minoxidil along with Adenosine,tretinoine,melatonine.
Saddly, no improvements with my Dr Pen.
 

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Very interesting. And do you experience any side effects? Bad skin, etc?

Also are you using foam or liquid and how many %?
Yes I did experience aging skin, when I overdosed minoxidil (4ml per day). I get “senile spots” on the scalp. When I dropped down the amount I put on my head, the senile spots went away. If I overdose for a few weeks, they come back. I have tested it too, not just guessing it’s minoxidil. It really was minoxidil, personally, that gave me senile spots on the scalp. I spoke about this a long time ago on TBT forums. I was accused of making excuses and that I am just getting older and I should not blame overdosing minoxidil for my aging skin. Well, that was back in 2012 when I was 23. I would feel bad if a 23 year old who is drug free(street drugs) starts getting senile spots on his skin on such a young age.

I use solution. Foam never really worked for me. Not like I wanted.

I have been using 5% at 2ml per night (whole scalp, temple, hairline), every other night. 15% at 2ml (whole scalp, temples) every other night. For a total of 2ml per day. I have been using this for almost 10 years. If I recall correctly, I started 15% back when Dr Lee sold them (iirc). I am not entirely sure why his stuff was so good compared to everyone else, it seems like no 10-15% minoxidil matches his. It’s a bummer he was shut down. His stuff was like a magic hair potion basically (his 15% stuff).

Disclaimer though: I am now back to using dutasteride for, going on 1 month on Aug 22nd, bought myself a dermapen, and will be looking at topical dutasteride as well (giving it a try).

I am also curious about using oral minoxidil at 5mg maybe eod. I fear 10mg side effects.

And yes I am taking pics. Just took my first pic in a long time on July 22nd 2021. I am seeing really good results. I am not ready to show it yet, maybe at the 12 month mark. About seeing good results: So is my wife, who does not know I am treating my hair loss. A coworker recently pointed out that he sees thicker hair. I make sure I tell no one because I want the comments to be genuine and not just people trying to see something that is not there just to cheer me up.

The minoxidil for all these years, the past decade, has saved my hair. I did not realize how much help minoxidil was until I stopped using it cold turkey last September (2020). I was rapidly losing hair after getting off of it after 9 years and a half, and was on nothing else. Only thing that changed was that I dropped the minoxidil (wasn’t taking finasteride or dutasteride either).

Soon as I got back on it (minoxidil), within 2 weeks the re-thickening of existing hair (no new hair yet, to my knowledge), was obvious. I then added dutasteride 0.5 mg everyday to boost it. I am going to start other stuff too, like I said.

Bottom line is, minoxidil works way past 2 years. At least for me. You will find out the hard way once you get off of it and see in a couple of months how your hair starts to fall rapidly.
 

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PS: I can’t believe it’s 2021 and people are still either largely misinformed about minoxidil, or their being people who still spread around that minoxidil doesn’t work or that it loses it’s efficacy. Just because that was what they experienced.

I think so many people are in denial that some of us do have options that work for us.

It’s like if something is announced as being 5-10 years away, it has so much credibility among hair loss communities. People love the idea. And then present stuff that works NOW, to some degree, gets sh.tted on.
 

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This regrowth is definitely possible and has happened to other people . Remember that 2young guy who butchered his scalp ? He got sick regrowth together with 4-5 other guys that I know off who provided b/a photos.

I have been dermarolling on and off since March 2016. With very good results but regrowth is slow and steady. After the initial thickening in the first couple of weeks it took me almost a year to really see new hairs and now I can leave home without toppik again.

I think the reason why dermarolling didn't gave satisfactional results to most people is because they can't handle the pain or doing it wrong.
And it does hurt like a b**ch and I can only handle the pain after a few good sips of liquor while listening to music and the thought in mind of getting thicker hair.

My dermarolling regiment came with trail and error, what works best for me is :

- always use sharp dermarollers , I do 2 sessions with 1 roller max.
- relax your scalp , a tightened scalp is harder to penetrate with the roller . So wounding is less effective
- also roll the sides and back and all the way until your forehead.
- i roll very hard ( sometimes the barrel with the needles gets loose from the handle , thats how hard i press ) and draw some blood, nothing serious. It stops after a few minutes.
- do not over do it .When i started dermarolling and later picked it up again after a few months break, i started with 8 weekly sessions untill most of the fibrosis disappeared. Then i took a 4 week break and did 6 bi-weekly sessions and now i dermaroll once every 3-4 weeks.

It works great, scalp feels great and fibrosis free and skin is no longer itchy, irritated or oily. I remember before dermarolling my scalp felt very numb to the touch like when i combed my hair . Now it feels alive and healthy.

Unfortunately i dont have photo's nor am i willing to put them online to back my story up. But i have no reason to lie and just wanted to let eveyone know that wounding is a very good treatment if done right

I actually think this wrong. I used to roll my scalp after a bath but now I do it dry and it causes more damage because you're pushing the needles in to harder skin, which will cause more damage (good thing).
 

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I actually think this wrong. I used to roll my scalp after a bath but now I do it dry and it causes more damage because you're pushing the needles in to harder skin, which will cause more damage (good thing).
Two years on microneedling and some other stuff. Cannabis and liquor can help the pain or at least make you think that they do. It's a strange sensation, microneedling, it hurts and it doesn't somehow. Beard removal is much worse pain-wise, at least when starting out. No pain, no gain.
 

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JaneyElizabeth

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Another one with great results from minoxidil/needling only:



I have to say, minoxidil/needling really is amazing, I have never seen so many good results. Some of the regrowth these guys have is on par with "tranny" regimens who nuke their DHT and take estrogen, etc... Hell, it's even better sometimes.
It's not close to my hair but I was never so bald either so that must have sucked. I have been microneedling with min for 25 months now. i tell every single person to microneedle. But i do understand now why you guys are afraid of finasteride and min and pretty much all hormonal medications because it makes you feel worthless and less male. I forgot about that from when I was a guy. So eh, do what completes you. I can't type today because my hair won't stay out of my eyes. Some times it sucks having long hair.
 

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Microneedling is also known as collagen induction but it's really hard to roll that area. It does seem that once in the morning or once every two days is better for the eye area because I went back to not recognizing the person in the mirror. I also am trying to establish dosage for MtF's and I have no idea. For cis-females, it's .25mg plus 25 mg of spironolactone which is a tiny amount and we don't really need spironolactone since we are supplementing endogenous estrogen. People get annoyed and just want the "guy" answer but I am trying my best to figure this out. I stopped shaving this week to verify how much beard and it's hard to see and nothing like a man's beard but it's rougher than it was and my legs got long and hairy quick and I just had them lasered. I paid for unlimited facial laser removal so I will just keep zapping it to see. Nothing from the waist up though really and I mean, I don't grow underarm hair and I never had that area done. Real females have to shave under their arms but I am glad not to have to.

Best,
Janey
 

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So I think I may be doing more harm than good with my dermapen. I am doing the common 1.5 mm once a week, along with minoxidil twice a day (been on it forever, as I have been with finasteride) and my scalp bleeds quite a bit and takes days to heal. In the months I have been doing this, my hair--in the areas I've been microneedling--has gotten thinner and thinner. Even my wife, who is my biggest supporter about this stuff, commented that it did indeed look worse than when I started.

Is it possible that microneedling can do more harm than good, and damage the scalp/hair? I see so many saying no pain, no gain, and while it doesn't really hurt when I do it, it bleeds quite a bit and takes days to heal. Perhaps I should ditch the dermapen and opt for a standard roller and use less pressure? This is kinda freaking me out.
 
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