Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

[Gardy]

Well, I have been needling my scalp with Derminator for 6 months now. Every week, 1,5-2,00mm depth. minoxidil once or twice per day. Fina and Duta too, once per day either the one or the other.
Unfortunately I can't report any results. Maintaining I guess. But no regrowth.
Sometimes I think of the Chen's results in this thread from a few yrs back. He got it with needling every day, 0,5mm. If I continue not seeing results in the next few months with this regime, I will give 0.5mm every day a go.
The only regret I have is not taking finasteride in my early 20s, instead I waited and started in mid 20s. Few years lost during which my hairloss was fast and furious.
There is only so much time you can waste before your can't make your lost hair regrow. That's the biggest concern I have.

 

[pegasus2]

Well, I have been needling my scalp with Derminator for 6 months now. Every week, 1,5-2,00mm depth. minoxidil once or twice per day. Fina and Duta too, once per day either the one or the other.
Unfortunately I can't report any results. Maintaining I guess. But no regrowth.
Sometimes I think of the Chen's results in this thread from a few yrs back. He got it with needling every day, 0,5mm. If I continue not seeing results in the next few months with this regime, I will give 0.5mm every day a go.
The only regret I have is not taking finasteride in my early 20s, instead I waited and started in mid 20s. Few years lost during which my hairloss was fast and furious.
There is only so much time you can waste before your can't make your lost hair regrow. That's the biggest concern I have.

It's supposed to be done every 2 weeks at 0.8 to 1mm depth. 1200-1600 needle strikes/cm2. Follica did all the studies to determine what works best yet no one wants to do it

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Well, I have been needling my scalp with Derminator for 6 months now. Every week, 1,5-2,00mm depth. minoxidil once or twice per day. Fina and Duta too, once per day either the one or the other.
Unfortunately I can't report any results. Maintaining I guess. But no regrowth.
Sometimes I think of the Chen's results in this thread from a few yrs back. He got it with needling every day, 0,5mm. If I continue not seeing results in the next few months with this regime, I will give 0.5mm every day a go.
The only regret I have is not taking finasteride in my early 20s, instead I waited and started in mid 20s. Few years lost during which my hairloss was fast and furious.
There is only so much time you can waste before your can't make your lost hair regrow. That's the biggest concern I have.

Honestly Chen regimen was so extreme that his wounds are literally always open, which would essentially turn Topical Minoxidil into Oral Minoxidil via increased systemic absorption, so im not too sure at which point it is because needling or increased serum minoxidil.

Nothing to lose from trying it tho, make sure to report results if you do pls!

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

It's supposed to be done every 2 weeks at 0.8 to 1mm depth. 1200-1600 needle strikes/cm2. Follica did all the studies to determine what works best yet no one wants to do it

I agree, I was on the "trust the science" bandwagon for a while with religious Follica frequency but it just won't work as good as weekly. And there is so many people reporting the same to the point 1x/weekly has become mainstream and not Follica.

I guess self-microneedling is not really comparable to in-clinic Follica and the bad quality of self-treatment is compensated by doubling frequency. Thats the only logical explanation.

 

[pegasus2]

I agree, I was on the "trust the science" bandwagon for a while with religious Follica frequency but it just won't work as good as weekly. And there is so many people reporting the same to the point 1x/weekly has become mainstream and not Follica.

I guess self-microneedling is not really comparable to in-clinic Follica and the bad quality of self-treatment is compensated by doubling frequency. Thats the only logical explanation.

My guess is you're right, what they are doing is just not comparable. I absolutely butchered my scalp and 2 weeks worked very well. If you're not destroying every inch of your scalp then once a week is probably better.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Yeah with Dr Pen I only start seeing serious regrowth (and noticeable pretty fast) when I go absolute ogre mode lol. If I try to mimick what Follica is supposed to be I just mantain for the most part.

After all they have been researching and perfecting their patented device for almost a decade... I doubt this chinese pens or Derminator (company managed by a crazy bipolar dude) + self administration is 1:1 comparable at all

 

[pegasus2]

Yeah with Dr Pen I only start seeing serious regrowth (and noticeable pretty fast) when I go absolute ogre mode lol. If I try to mimick what Follica is supposed to be I just mantain for the most part.

After all they have been researching and perfecting their patented device for almost a decade... I doubt this chinese pens or Derminator (company managed by a crazy bipolar dude) + self administration is 1:1 comparable at all

Derminator is probably pretty close, but it takes a half our of needling to get the right density with that. I haven't needled in so long I can't even remember if I got best results from a half or nearly a full hour

 

[cloudsanrain]

I agree, I was on the "trust the science" bandwagon for a while with religious Follica frequency but it just won't work as good as weekly. And there is so many people reporting the same to the point 1x/weekly has become mainstream and not Follica.

I guess self-microneedling is not really comparable to in-clinic Follica and the bad quality of self-treatment is compensated by doubling frequency. Thats the only logical explanation.

You ever stop to think that Foilica maybe doing their treatments every two weeks because customers may get tired of going in and paying every week for treatments . Going every week would get very expensive .

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

You ever stop to think that Foilica maybe doing their treatments every two weeks because customers may get tired of going in and paying every week for treatments . Going every week would get very expensive .

No, they tested every 1, 2 and 4 weeks in double blind and concluded 2 weeks is best based on that research without influence of commercial method.

 

[jh]

Derminator is probably pretty close, but it takes a half our of needling to get the right density with that. I haven't needled in so long I can't even remember if I got best results from a half or nearly a full hour

How bad was butchering your scalp with the Derminator? Is numbing cream necessary?

Years ago, I tried needling at 1.5mm with a roller once a week. This was when the Dhurat study came out. I didn't see much regrowth and forgot about it.

About 3 months ago, after seeing the Follica thread, I started up again with a 1mm roller once a week and it seems to be working, even my wife--who could care less about my hair--commented.

Maybe I'm getting greedy, but I've wondered whether it's worth going wild with a Derminator set at .75mm or 1 mm every two weeks.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Sounds extremely bizarre that dermarolling works at 1.0mm but not 1.5mm tbh. There is an obvious overlap on both wounding methods. (1.5mm still goes at least 1mm deep)

 

[jh]

Sounds extremely bizarre that dermarolling works at 1.0mm but not 1.5mm tbh. There is an obvious overlap on both wounding methods. (1.5mm still goes at least 1mm deep)

I'm not saying it didn't work at 1.5 mm. I just didn't see the insane regrowth shown in the Dhurat study in 12 weeks and gave up. Back then, the expectations for results were probably too high; a lot of members probably stopped too early.

I'm also older and more patient now.

How painful is the Derminator at .75 or 1 mm?

 

[jh]

I'm not saying it didn't work at 1.5 mm. I just didn't see the insane regrowth shown in the Dhurat study in 12 weeks and gave up. Back then, the expectations for results were probably too high; a lot of members probably stopped too early.

I'm also older and more patient now.

How painful is the Derminator at .75 or 1 mm?

The more I'm thinking about this--this was probably eight years ago?--a lot of us got impatient. A couple users here started a separate forum, StopAga. They thought if 1.5 mm was good, 3.0 mm would be better. If mild erythema was good, full on geysers of blood would be better--one dude posted after-rolling pics looking like a scene from an Eli Roth movie. Posters added pge2, a .5 mm roller on off days, and all sorts of nonsense to accelerate the process. In short, we did stupid sh*t.

A few of the success stories in this thread involve guys who stuck to the original protocol for six months or a year before noticing any improvement. This, obviously, is the smart, grown-up way of doing things.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

The more I'm thinking about this--this was probably eight years ago?--a lot of us got impatient. A couple users here started a separate forum, StopAga. They thought if 1.5 mm was good, 3.0 mm would be better. If mild erythema was good, full on geysers of blood would be better--one dude posted after-rolling pics looking like a scene from an Eli Roth movie. Posters added pge2, a .5 mm roller on off days, and all sorts of nonsense to accelerate the process. In short, we did stupid sh*t.

A few of the success stories in this thread involve guys who stuck to the original protocol for six months or a year before noticing any improvement. This, obviously, is the smart, grown-up way of doing things.

Yeah one point in favour of shorter needle + derma pens vs roller is that it is significantly less painful so people will adhere to treatment much more consistently.

Derma Pens enter the scalp vertically and rollers in diagonal with tearing, so thats why roller is much more painful than pen. I recommend switching to pen if you have pain tolerance issues. It takes longer though.

 

[Chris-lee09]

Hi bein dermarolling for awhile now not any results really i just do it to hope that it maintains or slows it down,i have bein getting wart type lumps on my scalp has anyone else had this?its worrying me

 

[losingbattle88]

Hi bein dermarolling for awhile now not any results really i just do it to hope that it maintains or slows it down,i have bein getting wart type lumps on my scalp has anyone else had this?its worrying me

Needling causes micro scarring in the long run and thickening of the skin, listen to Kevin man. Needling wont work without minoxidill anyway. U Will find more stories like this on reddit.

 

[EMILIO CHESSA]

Needling causes micro scarring in the long run and thickening of the skin, listen to Kevin man. Needling wont work without minoxidill anyway. U Will find more stories like this on reddit.

but does microneedling work with oral minoxidil? or does it only work with topical minoxidil?

 

[cloudsanrain]

but does microneedling work with oral minoxidil? or does it only work with topical minoxidil?

I would like to know that answer my self .

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

thickening of skin from nicroneedling is from upregulation of collagen which isn't a bad thing. Slick bald areas have thinner skin due to fibrosis and collagen loss

 

[Chris-lee09]

There like little wart type things tho is it anything to worry about?