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Thank you Chen. You're protocol is to needle daily at 1mm correct? Also applying minoxidil everyday
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Thank you Chen. You're protocol is to needle daily at 1mm correct? Also applying minoxidil everyday
The legend has returned lol great progress chen, as spring asked, your routine still rolling with 1mm daily before applying minoxidil?
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So I have been micro needling for 3 years now, initially I experienced some regrowth but that tailed of pretty soon after starting. However, I do believe that it had played an important role in maintaining my hair/keeping it healthy, hence my reason for keeping it up. My routine had been microneedling with a 1.5mm dermastamp 1-2times a week.
Recently I got pretty sick of my dermastamps breaking pretty soon after purchasing them (from Amazon), the final straw was when the needles on my new stamp detached from its body the first use. Hence, I decided to bite the bullet and purchase a Dr.Pen A6 and change my routine to microneedling once a week at 1.5mm depth.
Previously when manually dermastamping I would very rarely get visible blood, the areas would get red but this would last no longer than a day. Since using the A6 my scalp bleeds wherever I pass with the pen, it is also significantly more painful. I'm not sure whether this is due to the pen tearing the skin more due to moving it whilst its going up and down and this motion causing micro tears, or whether it generally penetrates a lot deeper/creates more incisions per cm2 . Now my scalp remains visibly red and sore 2days after my sessions.
Now for the reason of this post... I am roughly 1 month into my new routine (3 sessions) and genuinely my hair has been feeling a lot thicker and generally healthier. I took some progress pictures and it even looks thicker, but I think this may be due to the difference in lighting rather than actual regrowth as it has not even been a month. There is no doubt however that I prefer mechanical needling to manually doing it, although I am doubtful whether the A6 is creating clean incisions rather than microtears.
Edit - forgot to mention picture 1 is before recent change in routine, picture 2 is 1 month in (current)
Recently I got pretty sick of my dermastamps breaking pretty soon after purchasing them (from Amazon), the final straw was when the needles on my new stamp detached from its body the first use. Hence, I decided to bite the bullet and purchase a Dr.Pen A6 and change my routine to microneedling once a week at 1.5mm depth.
Previously when manually dermastamping I would very rarely get visible blood, the areas would get red but this would last no longer than a day. Since using the A6 my scalp bleeds wherever I pass with the pen, it is also significantly more painful. I'm not sure whether this is due to the pen tearing the skin more due to moving it whilst its going up and down and this motion causing micro tears, or whether it generally penetrates a lot deeper/creates more incisions per cm2 . Now my scalp remains visibly red and sore 2days after my sessions.
Now for the reason of this post... I am roughly 1 month into my new routine (3 sessions) and genuinely my hair has been feeling a lot thicker and generally healthier. I took some progress pictures and it even looks thicker, but I think this may be due to the difference in lighting rather than actual regrowth as it has not even been a month. There is no doubt however that I prefer mechanical needling to manually doing it, although I am doubtful whether the A6 is creating clean incisions rather than microtears.
Edit - forgot to mention picture 1 is before recent change in routine, picture 2 is 1 month in (current)
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When starting out do people test on nape or somewhere covered? Have a derma pend A8 but afraid to begin. Is there shedding?
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Results are undeniable and it came it weeks!
You answered your own question; you stopped seeing results because the derma stamps didn't cause enough 'damage'.
You answered your own question; you stopped seeing results because the derma stamps didn't cause enough 'damage'.
Awesome! What speed are you using the A6 on?
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Cheers mate, the fastest setting
That guy took big amounts of vitamin D. From his thread on reddit:
That is 4x the maximum recommended daily intake (4,000 IU x 7 days = 28,000 IU per week).
There is another guy (Jared) who used aggressive massages + 50,000 IU vitamin D a week with similar success.
I know most people think vitamin D doesn't regrow hair on its own (which I agree with), but maybe the reason behind this success is wounding + vitamin D, because vitamin D plays a role in anagen initiation and HF proliferation. (obviously, minoxidil plays a big role too)
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50k iu of Vit D is potentially toxic on its own. There was an ‘Ivory dome’ theory going round a few years ago about the potential of Vit D, Vit K2 & magnesium oil as a treatment though.
Mostly after. Washed scalp needled applied iodine and let it be for half an hour to a few hours then washed it away.
Didn't try anywhere else but the first time wasn't pleasant though mostly mentally, physically yes there's some pain but it's not that bad and goes away after half an hour or so maximum. Actually kind of miss the effects I had the first few months was like my scalp came alive again, hard to describe.
I didn't shed or at least didn't notice (had a zero guard buzz).
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Microneedling is a lie. It makes my head bleed
I think that’s what is suppose to happen when you needle your scalp with 1-2mm. It’s kind of inevitable but, many show great success. Very happy young men have this knowledge and can get a good response from minoxidil compared to the men using it from 1990-2010’s. Many young men now can actually get results and it brings a smile to a old timer like me
. Hopefully over the next 5-10 years science continues in its exponential curve of development and we get more tools for hair loss protocols.It's hard to be sure of regrowth because we are comparing hair with TOTALLY different lengths and he still had a ton of hair in his before picture. Maybe it just got thicker and filled more because it got longer.
But let's say he did grow some new hair. In that case it was nothing major, certainly a level of growth that the good responders (diffuse thinners) were already getting before with finasteride and/or minoxidil alone.
It's good that it doesn't like he tried to fool us with some trickery and chances are he had some real improvements (nothing out of the ordinary though). Anyways I don't want to be a prick and I'm just commenting because my name was mentioned.
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> No ! Wrong ! 50 kui vit D is totally safe to use. A lot of people ( me including) are on 70kUI/weeks for years without any issues ( blood test, livers ok) btw, some people do the Coimbra protocol with 200KUI / DAY ( Yes, 200 000Ui/DAY). 50kui weeks is totally safe.
After each set of pics his hair got progressively longer and there isn't a single after picture where the hair length is remotely close to the before pictures. I don't think he did that on purpose, but it makes it hard to separate the true gains from the illusion effect.
You have to discount 80-90% of what people claim about micro needling in this thread.
And if you are doing the treatment in parts of the scalp where you don't have any hair anymore I would say discount 100%, as I've never seen it work in slick bald areas
And last but not least, remember @Pigeon is one of the biggest advocates of micro needling and yet he himself admitted he didn't get anything from the treatment.
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