Pinpoint bleeding is normal and going for 1.5mm with follica density is bloody at least for me. It depends on the depth, person, location on scalp, and even how long into treatment. I didn't bleed much at the vertex when starting treatment but get lots of pinpoints now, at the hairline it actually bleeds less now than before.
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Why are all of you guys are forgetting that in Follica's protocols the density of the holes was crucial?
Obviously the more holes you make, the more you bleed. I've had sessions with three days of redness and not seen any visible improvement. However, those times I had 10 days of redness, I saw some improvement. (I did it at 1mm depth, shaved head, and only for a temples, 4sqcm areas each. Imagine doing this for the whole hairline and vertex, ouch!) You need to shave your head, otherwise you won't be able to wash off the blood and you'll need to wear a hat for 3 weeks.
My experience is the bleeding should not come from needle depth, but from session length. Follica used 0.8mm, and 1.0mm only to compensate for long hair, so you guys are crazy to use 1.2mm or 1.5mm and probably can't microneedle as long as you could with less depth.
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Isn’t scar tissue detrimental for hair follicles.
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So if follica does ever come through with their treatment, they’re going to require that we shave our heads first? What’s the point in even doing this if we gotta shave our heads?
But most of the really good microneedling results are from wounding 1,5 to 2mm once per week or every other week in conjunction with minoxidil
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Lol, no. I just said they used increased depth (1.0mm) to compensate for long hair. Of course you can do at-home microneedling with longer hair, too, but shaving your head makes washing off the blood much easier so you won't have to walk around with crusts for three weeks if there's a lot of bleeding. Your at-home microneedling device causes extra bleeding due to several holes overlapping. (ie. The needles striking the same places more than once.) A more sophisticated device, which Follica could offer, would be much more precise in this respect.
Don't see the problem I just wipe the worst blood away after 8h or so and wash my hair the next day. You must have unusually sticky blood?
I’ve considered increasing my minoxidil dosage in the past but I get really bad tachycardia from it. I might use .5ml in the morning and .5ml in the evening because it would be the same quantity but twice a day if that could make an improvement. With the micro needling device I haven’t been able to go harder than 1.5mm so I might use 1.5mm weekly instead of 1mm. I’ve also considered including Zix
Yeah it gets a bit tricky and the device gets tangled sometimes. I just don’t see myself trimming my hair anytime soon so I have to get use to doing it this way. I might increase the depth though, maybe to 1.5mm.
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You cannot 'wipe' the blood away after 8 hours, since it has coagulated by that time. And if you microneedle for an extended amount of time, you have to wash off the blood immediately after or you'll get crusts for week or two. But as I understand, you don't go too heavy on the wounding, although the Follica papers state that the density of the holes is important.
Yes it's coagulated however with wet wipes it gets clean enough to not stain my pillows, I also soak/rub areas where larger amounts of blood have pooled so that it's easy to wash away later.
I go reasonably heavy and have blood over my whole scalp however mostly thin as a mist from a lot of small wounds. Lately I'm doing 1.5mm targeting follica density.
Red for about a week but not really obvious after 3-4 days.
I go reasonably heavy and have blood over my whole scalp however mostly thin as a mist from a lot of small wounds. Lately I'm doing 1.5mm targeting follica density.
Red for about a week but not really obvious after 3-4 days.
You can try oral minoxidil + dutasteride in combination with needling and zix localy.
You're supposed to let the scabs form according to Follica.
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Really? What's the benefit in not washing off the blood?
"the compositions for use in the methods of the present invention are applied as the scabbing starts to heal, which in one embodiment is 3-12 days after epidermal disruption."
Compositions here referring to shh agonist or fgf9
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Scabs on top of the epidermis don't heal. They simply stick there and fall off. There's always some scabbing inside the epidermis which cannot be removed.
Okay genius, this make you happy?
"In one embodiment, the compositions for use in the methods of the present invention are applied one day after scab detachment, in another embodiment, two days after scab detachment, in another embodiment, three days after scab detachment, in another embodiment, four days after scab detachment, in another embodiment, five days after scab detachment, in another embodiment, six days after scab detachment, in another embodiment, seven days or more after scab detachment. In another embodiment, the compositions for use in the present invention are administered on days 1-4 after scab detachment. Each possibility represents a separate embodiment of the present invention...
Reepithelization of epidermis, indicated by scab detachment, was complete 10-12 days after FTE"
I guess we're supposed to watch for scabs inside the epidermis to detach so we know when to apply fgf9
I don't why I try to help people on this forum.
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Their device is designed to replicate the parameters of the intervention each time. Pretty darn hard to be that consistent when microneedling at home, if you ask me.
I didn't know they'd apply fgf9 in the first market version.
It is difficult to mimic with at-home devices. Probably can't really be done at home exactly right. I doubt they will ever actually include fgf9 in their treatment. They took too long and the time for their treatment is passing them by. With cell-based treatments coming, the demand for Follica 2.0 won't be there after the time required for conducting more clinical trials. I would be surprised if they even make the investment.