Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

[Follisket]

Anyone else find that it gets increasingly harder to needle as effectively as when they started? I used to draw blood easily at 1.75 mm, now I can't get anything more than some reddening of the skin even though I'm pressing harder and doing more passes at the same depth (I needle once a week).
Does the skin adapt and grow more resilient or is it just my dermapen breaking down?

 

[Intrigued77777777]

Okay so just bought a dermaroller. Got a few questions:

1) How long should I roll for?
2) How long after dermarolling/micro-needling do we apply Minoxidil (5%)?
3) Are people getting results on the front hairline?

 

[pegasus2]

Okay so just bought a dermaroller. Got a few questions:

-How long should I roll for?
-Do we use Minoxidil immediately after, or 24 hours later? I read Minoxidil straight after is pointless because it will counter-act and you should wait some time.

Where do these myths come from? Roll until you get mild erythema to do the Dhurat protocol. Roll until you have 1600 wounds per cm² to do the Follica protocol. Up to you. The reason for not applying minoxidil immediately afterwards is to avoid systemic absorbtion, but Follica's study showed there is little systemic absorption when applied immediately afterwards so most people do it anyways.

 

[Intrigued77777777]

Where do these myths come from? Roll until you get mild erythema to do the Dhurat protocol. Roll until you have 1600 wounds per cm² to do the Follica protocol. Up to you. The reason for not applying minoxidil immediately afterwards is to avoid systemic absorbtion, but Follica's study showed there is little systemic absorption when applied immediately afterwards so most people do it anyways.

So is the current consensus have a hot bath/shower (opens the skin), apply Minoxidil first (according to Rassman) and then dermaroll?

 

[pegasus2]

Why would you need to "open the skin" to dermaroll? Doesn't dermarolling do that? You get more drug to the follicle if you apply it before you needle, but that also might increase the pain level.

 

[Intrigued77777777]

Where do these myths come from? Roll until you get mild erythema to do the Dhurat protocol. Roll until you have 1600 wounds per cm² to do the Follica protocol. Up to you. The reason for not applying minoxidil immediately afterwards is to avoid systemic absorbtion, but Follica's study showed there is little systemic absorption when applied immediately afterwards so most people do it anyways.

Should I use derma roller before or after applying Minoxidil? (realself.com)
How To Use Derma Roller and Minoxidil to Regrow Hair! (mattdominance.com)

 

[pegasus2]

Should I use derma roller before or after applying Minoxidil? (realself.com)
How To Use Derma Roller and Minoxidil to Regrow Hair! (mattdominance.com)

I'm not reading all that from mattdominance. You'll be very misinformed about hair loss and treatments by reading blogs. The doctor on realself gave you a good answer though. The problem with applying minoxidil before needling is that it stings. It does increase penetration though.

 

[baldlygoing]

Every other day
Tretinoin (retin-a)

 

[poopfeast420]

What does "Eod" and "tret" stand for? Also, is it 5% Minoxidil that you're on? If so, how much are you applying and for how long? Have you considered adding oral Minoxidil? From what I've read, some respond very poorly even on standard doses of oral Minoxidil, but when they increase the dosage up to a certain amount they get a great response.

Sorry I meant to say every day instead of Eod (every other day). I've done oral dutasteride for 1.5 years, did finasteride for 1.5 years before that. Topical 5% min for 3 years, just added tretinoin a few months ago.

Not willing to do oral min due to heart concerns even if they're unlikely.

I say it didn't do anything but I'd probably be nw4 right now if I hadn't immediately started an aggressive regimen as soon as i noticed minor temple recession.

 

[iCloud]

Amazing results for 41 years old, and only five months.

 

[bucksins6x]

Does me microneedling work as a monotheorpy or could it? I use a dr pen and go hard

 

[pegasus2]

Amazing results for 41 years old, and only five months.

One in a million chance of results like that unless you are Asian

 

[bucksins6x]

Does me microneedling work as a monotheorpy or could it? I use a dr pen and go hard

Anyone know this?

 

[inmyhead]

Crazy new result from minoxidil/needling (also took fina and nizoral):

https://www.reddit.com/r/HairlossProgressPics/comments/n4hzzj

Is this due to 2x minoxidil? or he is like super responder to both minoxidil and fina.

 

[Theburn]

Hi!
Have been reading this whole thread and was about to get a hair transplant and was told to try micro needling first and get on the Adegen protocol. It seems the dermapen is pricier but the better option and I can't figure out which one to get.

Were there any types recommended? It does not seem anyone states which pen they used and there are so many knock offs and I can't figure out which one is better / the correct routine.

I thought someone would have asked this question but I can't find the answer.

Thank you so much!

I've had hair loss for 15 years and on finasteride for 1 1/2 yrs but no hair has grown back.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Anyone know this?

I think that it can work single shot but it is probably unlikely to work well because maintenance of microneedled hair appears to dissipate rapidly if the person stops derma-rolling. Most people do use a carrier.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Hi!
Have been reading this whole thread and was about to get a hair transplant and was told to try micro needling first and get on the Adegen protocol. It seems the dermapen is pricier but the better option and I can't figure out which one to get.

Were there any types recommended? It does not seem anyone states which pen they used and there are so many knock offs and I can't figure out which one is better / the correct routine.

I thought someone would have asked this question but I can't find the answer.

Thank you so much!

I've had hair loss for 15 years and on finasteride for 1 1/2 yrs but no hair has grown back.

This is a pretty old thread so you might not get many replies but if you want to DM me, I will try to help at least with respect to the transplant issue.

Janey

 

[bucksins6x]

I think that it can work single shot but it is probably unlikely to work well because maintenance of microneedled hair appears to dissipate rapidly if the person stops derma-rolling. Most people do use a carrier.

Does it work by itself

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Does it work by itself

Judging by the pics that I have seen, yes it can work provided the underlying male pattern baldness is not progressing so quickly as to eclipse any gains.

However, success stories are somewhat rare so they might be over-reported. Tons of MtF's claim absolutely no gains from HRT and others recover from almost complete baldness. So I am not trying to avoid your question; I have only done it with minoxidil and retin-A and a bunch of other meds so I can't discern entirely what does what.

My personal feeling is that without minoxidil and probably finasteride, that this is a hard row to hoe. Rob says his massages should amount to 280 minutes weekly for best results. As if. Even I am not obsessed enough to do that much massage but microneedling probably does work better than massage even much better for both hair and scars and skin healing in general than only promote hair growth. I do it once weekly, for now two years and somewhat grudgingly as it is not my favorite thing to do and when I meet my goals I hope to cut back or find a less painful way. And it's not all that painful; it's just not fun.

Unless you are obsessive, the microneedling path is probably more apt for people using maintenance meds. Keto might be a good carrier and help with inflammation.

 

[hairDespair]

I'm leaning toward just getting a roller, as using a pen takes so long to do due to the smaller area it covers per pass. Still wish I could see some kind of sign that it's actually doing something and that I'm not just doing self torture for nothing