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Michael J Fox at 5'3 was a serious heart throb in the 80's and even as a man in the 90's and a bit onwards, now guys who are ripped, more hunky Chad like, and 4 inches taller, still barely make the grade and only because of Hollywood trickery.

Fox wouldn't stand a chance these days.

I'm pretty sure that muscle is put on proportionately to what you have.

There was an explosion of mockery when a "natty" youtuber did a video on Zac Efron's body transformation, and how ludicrous that he gained that much muscle so quickly.

But everyone forgot he's a manlet with low body fat before that, and if he's new to weight lifting and bulking, of course 15-20+ pounds of muscle is going to make him look f*****g ripped within several months.

I believe Fred's gained a lot of muscle and so have I, but as it's distributed over more body "space" it's not going to be as easy to get the Efron abs so quickly.
 

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Michael J Fox at 5'3 was a serious heart throb in the 80's and even as a man in the 90's and a bit onwards, now guys who are ripped, more hunky Chad like, and 4 inches taller, still barely make the grade and only because of Hollywood trickery.

Fox wouldn't stand a chance these days.



There was an explosion of mockery when a "natty" youtuber did a video on Zac Efron's body transformation, and how ludicrous that he gained that much muscle so quickly.

But everyone forgot he's a manlet with low body fat before that, and if he's new to weight lifting and bulking, of course 15-20+ pounds of muscle is going to make him look f*****g ripped within several months.

I believe Fred's gained a lot of muscle and so have I, but as it's distributed over more body "space" it's not going to be as easy to get the Efron abs so quickly.
Efron has low body fat, and it's his job to look good. He can work out four hours a day if he wants. That's his job.
 

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Efron has low body fat, and it's his job to look good. He can work out four hours a day if he wants. That's his job.

Well yeah, if working out 4 hours a day did him any good, but I'm sure he has people around him to tell him if it's possible to do that and get increased results. While constantly measuring his results and nutrition etc. etc.
 

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Well yeah, if working out 4 hours a day did him any good, but I'm sure he has people around him to tell him if it's possible to do that and get increased results. While constantly measuring his results and nutrition etc. etc.

he did gear too which always helps
 

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He can work out four hours a day and recover faster with saunas, massages, cold sulfur baths, etc.

Might even be juicing :)
Or have lucky genetics, for every Efron there are hundreds who don't make it in Hollywood, that's a genetic selection function.
 

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You are not going to get better/faster results by lifting 4 hours a day.

It's always going to take time and recovery is important.

That's what I was getting at, but if there was a way to maximize the benefits of 4 hours training I'm sure a multimillionaire has access to it.

I dunno David brought up 4 hours I shouldn't have went with it. Damnit Dave.

And personality I do 5 or sometimes 6 days, but I've done 3 as well. I think with enough protein and BCAAs then 48 hours is enough to rest each muscle group.

But plenty of advanced level guys do 3, whatever you find your body is telling you.

Edit: wait "more than enough"? Nah I think that's about the limit for doing as little as possible and getting optimal results. Drop down to 2 days and you'll be disappointed.
 

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That's what I was getting at, but if there was a way to maximize the benefits of 4 hours training I'm sure a multimillionaire has access to it.

I dunno David brought up 4 hours I shouldn't have went with it. Damnit Dave.

And personality I do 5 or sometimes 6 days, but I've done 3 as well. I think with enough protein and BCAAs then 48 hours is enough to rest each muscle group.

But plenty of advanced level guys do 3, whatever you find your body is telling you.

Edit: wait "more than enough"? Nah I think that's about the limit for doing as little as possible and getting optimal results. Drop down to 2 days and you'll be disappointed.

A lot of pro athletes work out over 2 hours a day, I assume that either their genetics allow faster recovery, they have more specialized recovery that go around the recovery issue by being dispersed in their targeting, or they juice which allows faster recovery.

We're not pro athletes and we're not Hollywood models, 3 times a week is more than adequate, which is one of the few useful advances of the past fifteen years of broscience.
 

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The important question is: is there scientific evidence that it makes a difference?

Probably not. Building muscle is frustratingly slow and many people don't want to accept it.

So they train 4 times, 5 times a week, eat too much, take a crapload of supplements, sink all their time reading lifting broscience.

2 times is fine, you're still going to grow as it's inevitable, just at a slightly slower rate.

Optimal, that word is way too present on bodybuilding forums.

Optimal = dedicating your life to it, I can't do that. I have other hobbies, a job, a social life, a girlfriend, f*** the optimal way of getting mad gainz brah!

I'm lifting 2-3 times a week and eating more protein-rich foods than before, which means I'm already doing better than like 99% of men in my country.

I don't read those forums much but no, optimal is getting the best results possible. If you find with 3 days you get the same results as 5, then fine, do 3 as it's also optimal results, nothing to do with time/life consumption. If you go down to 2 and it's a slower growth, that's not really optimal then.

From last results I've heard from you it's working optimally so I can't see moving up making any difference (and if you're at the perfect rest times for your body then if anything you risk overtraining and losing results).

There are a lot of huge guys (not that I or you want to be "huge" but basically they could be incredibly toned with body composition if they wanted to, easily) that only train 2 days a week actually, but they have the power to decide how much to lift. So while beginners might say, have a 100kg deadlift, their range of muscle stress and time under tension is small, go down 20% and the weights too light, doing 15 reps, go up 10% and struggle with 5.

But with advanced lifters they get stress from 120kg, but also can go up 40kg a set another 3 times, and that's just "lifting heavy" as an option they have, not something they'd do daily as it would kill their joints.

So while I'm sure 3 days is working for you I'm not convinced for most beginners it's enough, just like huge lifters can more than get by on 2 days, guys who want body composition and a toned physique have a few years of at least 4 days and then can reap more benefits from 3 and having a wider range as intermediate lifters.

But nope, no science (on hand at least).
 

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Hahaha Bear posts on bodybuilding forums that's amazing.

Is it bodybuilding.com?

Took me a second to realise why that would be so funny.

But he didn't say he posts on them did he? Like myself he might just search a lot of questions and end up on those forums not logged in (and good information is hard to come by on them so I never signed up)
 

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PS: I ain't even doing compounds, never gone near the free weights. Try saying that on a bodybuilding forum :p.

Even if you get results (which again is inevitable), they'll tell you that they're fake since you did it with sissy-machines, "what about functional strength brah?!".

I didn't see this before but I'm really intrigued now.

Personally I incorporate cables/machines as I find them necessary, however I'd lose my mind if I did them all the time. The fun is squats, bench press, deadlift, dumbbell press, all the dangerous sh*t that can break a rib. But when you improve it just feels so much better than any machine. On chest press for example I'm at maximum weight on the machine, at first that felt good, wow I'm so strong I can't do any more, and then ... it's dull. And that initial feeling of getting to max on a machine (also with cable tricep pushdowns) does not come close to moving up even 2.5kg on a squat with good form.

To each their own. I'm not sure what functional strength is but does this argument imply you're gaining muscle but have pussy real world strength? Can't lift a waching machine up stairs etc.
 

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they're not really bluepilled they're just not as extreme redpill as lookism. it's like lookism/sluthate-lite.

misc has some funny thread though. looksmax theory is taking a beating today

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=165955461
He's running just be first game. There's always an explanation to outliers like this.
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they're not really bluepilled they're just not as extreme redpill as lookism. it's like lookism/sluthate-lite.

misc has some funny thread though. looksmax theory is taking a beating today

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=165955461

Holy sh*t who can possibly read the same 3 comments on rinse and repeat, over and over.

Unless things got interesting past the 2nd page I don't get it, and never have with bodybuilding forums.

"Dude got phat *** dink yo"
"Phat azz wallet mo like nuhwhuamsayin"
"Sloot getin dink on side away from trust fund"

They're all on the right track but seem demented.
 

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Holy sh*t who can possibly read the same 3 comments on rinse and repeat, over and over.

Unless things got interesting past the 2nd page I don't get it, and never have with bodybuilding forums.

"Dude got phat *** dink yo"
"Phat azz wallet mo like nuhwhuamsayin"
"Sloot getin dink on side away from trust fund"

They're all on the right track but seem demented.

some of the photoshop threads were legendary

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/show...awclickid=85386&awsubid=j3zwisvwfw0004i903feu

unfortunately a lot of the images are down now
 
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