What's it really like going bald - the truth

[HairPieceMan]

sylent that is not true

there are mockups of brad pitt, robert patterson, tom cruise bald, they all look prety crap.

age isnt as important as hair, more important questions petaining baldness are, is the guy black? is he vin diesel? is he built big? is he drenched in tan etc. does he have a beard/earings to help it, rather than how good looking he is with his hair. (examples satch and stipe looking amazing with hair, crap without)


example

joe satriani with his amazing hair in his mid 30s would pull easily

joe satriani bald in late 30s (i think that is when he went bald?) looks BAD bald

joe satrani in mid 20s shaved bald woudl fail as much as he would in his late 30s bald, he looks practically identical.


look at elton john in early 60s (wig) and ozzy osborne in early 60s with a full head of hair (suspected of wig), al pachinon with his wig in heat they all look great or al ot better than they ever woudl bald(ing), and johnny depp and brad pitt still look great in late 40s with a full head of hair vs say michael stipe in early 30s bald, im sure if michael stipe kept his hair into mid 30s he'd still look amazing enough for say a mid 20s woman (with options), bald stipe would only satisfy warpigs in 30s.

so are you saying if joe satriani was 25 bald, vs 35 and with his hair, you really think the age matters, if you look crap bald you look crap, hair is really important for guys, even mild recession and buzzed down hair is really unattractive.


so to recap

stipe (not famous) bald AT ANY AGE 25/30/35/40 = 35 year old UGLY warpig woman

stipe with hair @ 25/30 = early 20s year old qaulity girl

stipe with hair @ 35/40 = mid 20s- early 30s qaulity girl.

the real thing is the qaulity woman more than anything IMO.

 

[s.a.f]

Maybe you would be extremely handsome if you had hair but is that not being a little vain? Maybe young girls reject you in clubs, idk but YOU'RE 34! Its not old but women in their 20s reject almost anyone that age. Baldness has little to do with it.

Even if being bald is as awful as you say it is, why cant you get passed it? You're 34 years old man, being bald is normal at that point. Its something you cant change, accept it and move on. At the end of the day I could probably name 100 things more important than hair. What does baldness even do besides:

- makes you slightly less attractive
- young girls will reject you
- Women who don't like bald men will possibly reject you
- makes you the bald guy

All it effects is social status. Thats it! Do you really want to be a slave to the system? Live your life, f*ck those people. I guarentee anyone that gives you sh*t for being have MAJOR insecurities of their own and arent worth the time of day. So get those fuckers out of your mind. If you can do that baldness no longer matters.

Another young guy (who is'nt even bald) telling older people how they should feel. :thumbdown2:
Yes we've passed that magical age of 30 now its time to throw up our hands and retire to the rocking chair!
It may suprise you but people continue to care about appearance even into old age. Especially those who's youthful appearance was tragicaly cut short by baldness.
And like it or not social status is hugely important to human beings the effect social acceptance has on someones self confidence and self worth is massive.

 

[HairPieceMan]

yeah exactly that is why im wearing a hairpiece.

i look crap at 25 bald already (and look 35 to boot), its just going to get worse at 30/35/40/45/50 then i will feel dead inside and throw myself off a bridge

i basically need a hairpiece to stay in mental check.

im not entirely happy with wearing a hairpiece, i dont think im great for wearing a hairpiece or think its normal or ok, i actually need the hairpiece to stop me from going insane, i simply can not handle baldness, it fucks over my face big time and makes me the insta-freak of the room.

without hairpiece i look llike some outworldy alien or something.

with hairpiece i look like a NORMAL guy that blends in with society, im not doing it to become an alpha male in the clubs, im certainly not an alpha male type before hairloss, i need the hair to look like a regular human being.

it's almost like i have no choice, otherwise i'll go crazy trying to lead a normal socia life or just live as a hermit in my room for 25 years and play halo in isolation, there people will not bother or stare at me for my hairloss becuase im a freak and look like e.t. or golum.

people certainyl were commeting that i wasn't an attractive person at 18 before hairloss, now with NO hair at al @ 25l and being 5' 5" i might as well be E.T. or golum.

hairpieces + 3 inch lifts save me and make me a regular lookign guy that brings me within the realms of social normality.

 

[Primo]

21 year old women don't reject 35 year old men with NW1 hairlines

HPM, I appreciate that your personal experience has caused you to put an irrationally high premium on hair, but you shouldn't think for a second that all women share your fetish for NW1 hairlines.

Doesn't matter if the man is a NW1, if he has an average or ugly looking face, the woman will still reject him regardless of his hair position, most women will not even notice the difference between a NW1 and a NW2.5 (FACT) because they simply don't give a sh*t and are too busy focusing on the more important aspects of a man's face i.e. facial features, skin condition, bone structure, teeth.

The "you can't polish a turd" philosophy seems to be a very popular one on this forum, but if anything it probably applies more to the ugly NW1 because all the funky hairstyles in the world will never compensate for his ugly face.

If you visit any girls forum online which discusses men with baldness, nearly all women (barring a minority who retain a weird fetish for teenage looking boys into their older years) make this point, hair or lack of it, makes little difference if the guy is already ugly.

 

[sylent]

Maybe you would be extremely handsome if you had hair but is that not being a little vain? Maybe young girls reject you in clubs, idk but YOU'RE 34! Its not old but women in their 20s reject almost anyone that age. Baldness has little to do with it.

Even if being bald is as awful as you say it is, why cant you get passed it? You're 34 years old man, being bald is normal at that point. Its something you cant change, accept it and move on. At the end of the day I could probably name 100 things more important than hair. What does baldness even do besides:

- makes you slightly less attractive
- young girls will reject you
- Women who don't like bald men will possibly reject you
- makes you the bald guy

All it effects is social status. Thats it! Do you really want to be a slave to the system? Live your life, f*ck those people. I guarentee anyone that gives you sh*t for being have MAJOR insecurities of their own and arent worth the time of day. So get those fuckers out of your mind. If you can do that baldness no longer matters.

Another young guy (who is'nt even bald) telling older people how they should feel. :thumbdown2:
Yes we've passed that magical age of 30 now its time to throw up our hands and retire to the rocking chair!
It may suprise you but people continue to care about appearance even into old age. Especially those who's youthful appearance was tragicaly cut short by baldness.
And like it or not social status is hugely important to human beings the effect social acceptance has on someones self confidence and self worth is massive.

Never once did I say that. I pointed out the fact that people in their 30s are still young. Its just that they arent young in the eyes of most 18-25 year old girls. Also what I said applies to a guy in their 20s who are bald and it should be even easier for guys in their 30s. I dont know what planet you guys live on but half of the guys in their 30s I see around here are either heavily receeded or bald. Its really not that abnormal. Maybe it was when you were younger but isn't 10 years enought to get over hair?

 

[HairPieceMan]

well primo what i will say is that any guy who is nW3 is instantly average lookign at best, check jude law who plummets down to "meh" after being NW3.

and NW4 = bald so that means provided your caucasian there is an 80% chance you will look like michael stipe, joe satiani or rob halford aka worst looking guy against MOST guys with hair.

it's pretty horific, your either gogin to be average lookgin with a sign on your chest saying "will be michael stipe soon" or you actually are michael stipe look a like



stipe looking amazing with perfect hair

bald WTF!

i dont even want to show a pic of satch with hair he looks so great its depressing.

satch

anyone seen pic of him without the shades, obviously the shades are there to help cope with the full baldness.

rob halford

etc.

 

[s.a.f]

I dont know what planet you guys live on but half of the guys in their 30s I see around here are either heavily receeded or bald. Its really not that abnormal. Maybe it was when you were younger but isn't 10 years enought to get over hair?

Unless you call NW2 heavily receeded then no. I'd say only 10% of 30 yr olds are bald and 80% are no more than NW2. And as long as your still healthy then no 10 years is'nt enough time to get over being bald. Would you say to someone who lost a foot 10 years ago, you should be over it now?
Look at Larry David he's 65 ridiculously rich and sucessful and still obssessed with it.
If your old decreped and wrinkled being bald is just another thing, but if your 30 and otherwise young and fit (and not married with kids) but look terrible because of this 1 thing its going to bug you especially when those around you dont have to deal with it to the same extent.

 

[HairPieceMan]

agreed but i was like that at 25.

but life doesnt end at 50,60 or even 70 for sure, plenty of celebritiy males enjoying a full dating in these years, some taking advantage of hairpieces like al pachino, william shatner.

so what im saying is that baldness will bug and consume you from 25 onwards unless you get it sorted, you will always wonder what things will be like with hair, and 9 times out of 10 whenever another man enters the room and hes about your age he will have hair and YOU wont.

it's pretty bad IMO.

saf how many people woudl you say are bald at
25 ...5%?
30...10%
35,
40,
45,
50...
im just wondering your opinion.

so saf woudl you say that 80% of 30 year olds dont have a balding problem, and 10% do have a balding problem (NW3, diffuse crown) and 10% are bald?

would you give your opinions on 25/30/35/40/45/50 year olds for that as well, im intesrted to know.

 

[s.a.f]

Firstly I'd say that NW2 is not considered a problem at any age. And its only above this that hairloss really matters.

At 25 I'd say only about 2 or 3% of men would be actually bald maybe 10% max would have obvious signs of hairloss.

By 30 most about 50% of men would be at least NW2 probably 20% being NW3 and still only 10 -15% would actually be fully bald.

At 35 its probably not much different maybe another 5% in the balding and 5% in the bald catagory because the small minority that do go fully bald (the Nw6/7's) they tend to go young. Hairloss is one of those things you either get it very slightly or you get it very aggressive. Its not like most other signs of ageing that can be measured at a slow and steady pace eg wrinkles.

At 40 I'd say 20% bald 25% obviously balding and the other 55% no real problem.

And at 60 I'd still say only about 25% fully bald another 25 -30% with a degree of noticible hairloss and the rest with no real problem (obviously slightly worse than their youth) but with what for their age would be considered a good head of hair.

The main point though is that of most men who suffer a moderate degree of hairloss in their life the vast majority dont have a real problem until they hit middle age ie about 40+ before the situation gets bad and by this point they have already enjoyed the best years of their lives with hair and hairloss is just another of the signs of life's ageing process.

Being bald in your 20's is by comparison to those who are'nt effected the equivelent of having the wrinkles of a 50 yr old in your 20's. And you can imagine how badly that would effect most people.

 

[sylent]

I dont know what planet you guys live on but half of the guys in their 30s I see around here are either heavily receeded or bald. Its really not that abnormal. Maybe it was when you were younger but isn't 10 years enought to get over hair?

Unless you call NW2 heavily receeded then no. I'd say only 10% of 30 yr olds are bald and 80% are no more than NW2. And as long as your still healthy then no 10 years is'nt enough time to get over being bald. Would you say to someone who lost a foot 10 years ago, you should be over it now?
Look at Larry David he's 65 ridiculously rich and sucessful and still obssessed with it.
If your old decreped and wrinkled being bald is just another thing, but if your 30 and otherwise young and fit (and not married with kids) but look terrible because of this 1 thing its going to bug you especially when those around you dont have to deal with it to the same extent.

You just compared hairloss to losing a foot :thumbdown2: Sorry man, I can't even take you seriously after that.

 

[HairPieceMan]

So to recap:

By 25 3% of men are bald, 10% are in the balding phase

Bt 30 10% of men will be bald, 20% balding

By 35 15% of men bald, 25% balding

By 40, 20% bald, 25% balding, 55% no problem

By 50 23% bald, 27% balding –added that one in

By 60 25% fully bald, 30% balding

Also I disagree that being bald in mid 20s is like having wrinkles, IMO billy corgan looks perfectly fine bald in late 20s and Jordan ruddes looks 10x better bald and should have done it in his early 30s instead IMO, also I feel that thinning hair looks wrong on young guys (check prince willim side shots in late 20s) so going sly looks a lot better than thinning (examples andre Agassi, scott ian).., but NW3 looks fine but you'll already have to tell people your older anyway with NW3, the only problem with bald or even balding NW3 in mid 20s is it just feels a little weird and youll have to tell people your 7 years older than you are (not a massive deal and as you get older you will be telling people your true age closer in)

 

[s.a.f]

Or you just want to use that 1 comment as an excuse to ignore or the other points. :whistle:

And yeah although losing a foot is worse because its physicaly debilitating, people in that situation can actually stick on a prosthetic foot and nobody would know (apart from at the beach) whilst going bald in your 20's does'nt hold you back physically it makes you stand out, and feel inferior in a room full of nw1/2 peers. And theres a social stigma to it. People dont look at or talk to your foot but they do look at your head people also dont lose a foot naturally its got to be the result of an unfortunate accident and people will be aware of that so emotionally (but not physically) I'd say having no hair is probably very similar to having no foot.

 

[SheSawMyCombover]

sylent that is not true

there are mockups of brad pitt, robert patterson, tom cruise bald, they all look prety crap.

age isnt as important as hair, more important questions petaining baldness are, is the guy black? is he vin diesel? is he built big? is he drenched in tan etc. does he have a beard/earings to help it, rather than how good looking he is with his hair. (examples satch and stipe looking amazing with hair, crap without)


example

joe satriani with his amazing hair in his mid 30s would pull easily

joe satriani bald in late 30s (i think that is when he went bald?) looks BAD bald

joe satrani in mid 20s shaved bald woudl fail as much as he would in his late 30s bald, he looks practically identical.


look at elton john in early 60s (wig) and ozzy osborne in early 60s with a full head of hair (suspected of wig), al pachinon with his wig in heat they all look great or al ot better than they ever woudl bald(ing), and johnny depp and brad pitt still look great in late 40s with a full head of hair vs say michael stipe in early 30s bald, im sure if michael stipe kept his hair into mid 30s he'd still look amazing enough for say a mid 20s woman (with options), bald stipe would only satisfy warpigs in 30s.

so are you saying if joe satriani was 25 bald, vs 35 and with his hair, you really think the age matters, if you look crap bald you look crap, hair is really important for guys, even mild recession and buzzed down hair is really unattractive.


so to recap

stipe (not famous) bald AT ANY AGE 25/30/35/40 = 35 year old UGLY warpig woman

stipe with hair @ 25/30 = early 20s year old qaulity girl

stipe with hair @ 35/40 = mid 20s- early 30s qaulity girl.

the real thing is the qaulity woman more than anything IMO.

So HairPieceMan according to you: if you are greater than NW4 and you are caucasian there is an 80% chance you will look like Michael Stipe.


You then say if you look like Stipe bald at any age then the only type of females that you will be able to attract are 35 year old ugly warpig women - whatever they may be.

You do realise HairPieceMan that comments like that are pretty inflammatory as you're are essentially saying that a lot of guys mother's on HairLossTalk.com are ugly warpigs. Afterall, a considerable amount of guys on HairLossTalk.com had a father who was bald from a very early age, and of course under no circumstances could they have attracted a good looking woman. I mean these statistics which you've painstakingly researched in great depth and compiled for the benefit of HairLossTalk.com, clearly highlight that if you're bald and caucasian that there's an 80% chance of having a likeness to Stipe. Consequently, the only females that these 80% of men could have attracted were one of those ugly warpigs you speak of. :jackit:

What a delighful individual you are HairPieceMan. :whistle:

 

[HairPieceMan]

ok maybe the percentages were a ittle too high, stipe looks pretty horendous, maybe a 10% chance of looking like stipe.

say as follows

stipe = horendous (5% chance)
satch = not good (70% chance)
billy corgan = ok (25% chance)

but yeah IMO if you DO look like stipe that is pretty bad, it will just be a massive struggle that is all, i can image A LOT of women ignoring a stipe post hairloss in the club unless she was at least large or something, he looks pretty bad IMO.

i mean for a guy with hair to look as bad as stipe bald he'd have to be one ugly motherfucker that was almost always the ugliest guy in high school etc.

 

[s.a.f]

Stipes gay anyway so what does he care? :gay: :dunno:

But I think the thing with stipe is you're comparing him not just from being hairy to bald but being young and hairy to old and bald. But as a skinny, effeminate white guy baldness is unlikley to suit him.

 

[HairPieceMan]

I'll try and find a pic of him in early 30s, i saw one of him accepting and award in New york in 94', he looked REALLY f*****g wierd liek some alien like satch without his shades on or something, he was defo early 30s, he had NO hair including facial hair, he actually looks a lot better with facial hair.

actually he loks quite good here in 1994

some shots of bald people look better than others, its hard to judge really.

 

[sylent]

[/quote]

Unless you call NW2 heavily receeded then no. I'd say only 10% of 30 yr olds are bald and 80% are no more than NW2. And as long as your still healthy then no 10 years is'nt enough time to get over being bald. Would you say to someone who lost a foot 10 years ago, you should be over it now?
Look at Larry David he's 65 ridiculously rich and sucessful and still obssessed with it.
If your old decreped and wrinkled being bald is just another thing, but if your 30 and otherwise young and fit (and not married with kids) but look terrible because of this 1 thing its going to bug you especially when those around you dont have to deal with it to the same extent.[/quote]

These points are very innacurate imo. When I go around university I see many NW2.5-4's walking around, all in their early 20s. I am talking about white guys, not other races who really throw that scale off. We all know that it is very unlikely for an Asian, Native american, hispainc etc. to go bald at a young age. African americans do go bald but probably less than white men. When I see my dad, his brothers and their friends hang out, ages between 30-50, most of them have some for recession and A LOT of them are bald.

 

[sylent]

sorry, double post

 

[uncomfortable man]

All it effects is social status. Thats it! Do you really want to be a slave to the system? Live your life, f*ck those people. I guarentee anyone that gives you sh*t for being have MAJOR insecurities of their own and arent worth the time of day. So get those fuckers out of your mind. If you can do that baldness no longer matters.

You're basically asking me to abandon the primal social instinct. Your young so you probably value non conformity and might not realize how important it is to fit in and be generally accepted by society. Being bald changes the way people perceive you and thus treat you (worst for the most part) which accumulatively has a profound impact on ones quality of life. Have you ever read The Scarlet Letter? It takes place in a town where adulterers are forced by law to wear a bright red A on their coat so everyone knows what they did and are thus encouraged to treat them accordingly, basically as second class citizens. Our bald heads send a similar message as the scarlet letter in that it holds a negative connotation to it that is pretty much universal. Besides, if you are concerned about having a receded hairline in highschool, what makes you think going bald will be any better when you still look like sh*t compared to most people your own age?

 

[s.a.f]

When I go around university I see many NW2.5-4's walking around, all in their early 20s. I am talking about white guys, not other races who really throw that scale off. We all know that it is very unlikely for an Asian, Native american, hispainc etc. to go bald at a young age. African americans do go bald but probably less than white men. When I see my dad, his brothers and their friends hang out, ages between 30-50, most of them have some for recession and A LOT of them are bald.

Well I work for a company employing 150 people, about 125 of which are men and of that 125 about 100 are aged 20 - 40 the rest are older. I'd say there are only about 12 real baldies (NW4+) and the youngest of them are in their 30's and probably 20 NW3's so about 70% of the men around me dont have a hairloss problem. When I was in college at 19 it was just me and 1 other guy who were balding and that was only about NW2.5.
But hairloss effects different types of people in different ways if I was some macho rugby player at about 6'3" and 17 stone I would just be considered a macho looking guy but if you're not that type people view it as some kind of physical weakness.