Why All The Posters Here Spend So Much Times In This Section Instead Of Fighting Hairloss?

[EvilLocks]

I know, Scandinavian countries are an exception. I've read that girls sometimes move out at 16 in Sweden.

I think it's stupid, especially financially. Here in Brussels, you have Arab families putting their resources together and buying all the real estate. While Belgian families remain fragmented and individualistic.

The only people I know who are buying a house are doing it with their partner. On your own, it's not realistic.

Strength in numbers, which is in fact the national motto of my country.

I'm going to move out with my girlfriend at a point, but until then, I don't see the point of living alone three blocks away from my parents while pissing away half my salary.

It's not uncommon to move out at 16-18 here, and I think most people have moved out by 20-22. People who live with their parents after (approximately) 22 are actually seen as losers who can't provide for themselves. I'm almost 24 now and still live with my parents, although I have just bought my first apartment which I'm currently renovating. I hope it will be finished before christmas this year. It's going to be delightful having my own place with no parents nagging me about everything, but also a bit scary since I've never lived on my own before. Anyway, I feel like it's highly overdue that I move out now, and people have actually been nagging me about it for years now. All of my friends have moved out long ago, same with most of the people I know.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I moved out of my parents at age 23 and it was about time.

 

[Dench57]

It's not uncommon to move out at 16-18 here, and I think most people have moved out by 20-22. People who live with their parents after (approximately) 22 are actually seen as losers who can't provide for themselves.

Pretty much the same where I'm from, though more like 20-23 rather than 16-18. Most of my peers went to University then moved home briefly while finding a job in a city or going travelling. After being (mostly) self sufficient and independent at Uni it felt weird moving back into the house I grew up in. It seems there are more people living with their parents now than in previous generations though. I didn't move out until I was 22 whereas my parents/uncles/aunties were all gone by 18-19. However I wouldn't have moved out of my parents house just to live down the road.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Pretty much the same where I'm from, though more like 20-23 rather than 16-18. Most of my peers went to University then moved home briefly while finding a job in a city or going travelling. After being (mostly) self sufficient and independent at Uni it felt weird moving back into the house I grew up in. It seems there are more people living with their parents now than in previous generations though. I didn't move out until I was 22 whereas my parents/uncles/aunties were all gone by 18-19. However I wouldn't have moved out of my parents house just to live down the road.

I think the difference is due to the ride of property prices.

 

[EvilLocks]

I don't depend on my parents, I could afford a nice appartement with my income, but why? So I can play my PS3 naked and spend my evenings on my own?

Well, it's nice to have a place of your own to have some peace and quiet. At least that's what I prefer. Also you can bring people over to your place without making sure your parents are not home etc. I guess it just feels nice to have something to call my own and play by my own rules. But each to their own.

 

[Marky]

I think the difference is due to the ride of property prices.

Absolutely true. Low interest rates have sky rocketed houses and they are almost unaffordable on your own - unless you have a partner to pay the other half and even then you're living pay check to pay check just to pay the mortgage on a mediocre house at an outrageous price. Society has lost their way in this regard - but everyone just accepts it as the new normal, as opposed to only a few decades ago when you can get by on one income and raise a family with it while the wife can stay home with the kids. Today it's a hefty back breaking mortgage, kids in day care - which is like a second mortgage payment, it's all absurd but hey few are strong enough to go against the machine - societal pressure. If you're not doing the same there must be something wrong with you.
Me I work, pay cheap rent, invest and hopefully this house horniness culture has developed will pass some day.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Absolutely true. Low interest rates have sky rocketed houses and they are almost unaffordable on your own - unless you have a partner to pay the other half and even then you're living pay check to pay check just to pay the mortgage on a mediocre house at an outrageous price. Society has lost their way in this regard - but everyone just accepts it as the new normal, as opposed to only a few decades ago when you can get by on one income and raise a family with it while the wife can stay home with the kids. Today it's a hefty back breaking mortgage, kids in day care - which is like a second mortgage payment, it's all absurd but hey few are strong enough to go against the machine - societal pressure. If you're not doing the same there must be something wrong with you.
Me I work, pay cheap rent, invest and hopefully this house horniness culture has developed will pass some day.

In the past forty years, North American households have survived via the following three mechanisms:

1) Women now work. That means "household income" has increased. Note that government statistics used to report "individual income".
2) People work longer hours.
3) People have gone into greater debt for student loans, credit cards, mortgages, etc.

It can be argued that 1,2, and 3 are exhausted right now as avenues of middle class survival, and thus dark times are ahead for the North American middle class.

 

[DoctorHouse]

Wow David!!!! I have been here twice as long as you and you are almost caught up with me with posts. You definitely have made your mark here. And honestly, your post are very informative and interesting. Keep up the good work.!!!

 

[Marky]

And then you see them stressing about the legal fees, how they need to make an appointment with the banker because they were screwed over on the interest rate. Then him or the girlfriend loses their job, what then? The mortgage pays itself? Oh but you can sell again! Yeah! More red tape!

[/QUOTE]

When the economy turns down and people lose jobs they are forced to rent a room or 2 in the house to make ends meet - and what a joy it is to have strangers in your house. This is happening in Calgary since oil has crashed - 70% more rental listings and I assume soon more executive homes will be coming up as oil execs begin to realize oil is not coming back anytime soon and they may never be going back to work in their high paying jobs. A renters oasis is opening up.