Why are we even in Afghanistan?

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if i am not mistaken we went in because we were looking for where bin laden was hiding, now i am not even convinced he is still alive and i don't hear of anyone talking about trying to find him for years
i think it's a case similar to iraq where we come in and then decide to clean up the county after

undoubtedly we are also trying to kill some al queda whist there
 

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The problem is not Afghanistan. It is the Pakistan. Period. Afganistan is just a big war playgroung and a place to grow the cashflow for the terrorists. The Enemy is trained and brainwashed mainly in Pakistan. Middle East and North Korea is just a big write-0ff. North Korean leader has a pancreatic cancer! Yeah die f****r! We have not time to f*** around with people like them if we want to grow up as a specie and make things better. All the countries on the ground right now are doing a massive attack going south since a little bit more than a week where all the dope and the f*****g Jihad and sh*t chill out...call them whatever you want.. Just hope they kill as much as they can and burn all the f*****g Opium and pot.This is why more of our guys are dying overthere lately...because the enemy has no firepower so they use roadside bombs and suicide bombers heavily..because this is all they can do. The whole Nato is getting tired of this war.. and use whatever they can to annihilate them.. Air strike and the artillery is use as often as they can. I am waiting for a redeployement like really soon..maybe August or 2011 will see...I cannot wait to go there and kill as much Zombies as I can and I don't care what people think. I have no respect for this Country full of hate and cowards. Last time, I think I ran over 2 f*****g zombies with my truck ( we are not allowed to stop in a convoy no matter what) and you know what.. I don't give a damn! They are doing that on purpose because they want money from our goverment..f*****g guys were chasing tanks their on foot just to get run over! wow! Zombies!
 

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s.a.f said:
Bryan said:
For god's sake, there were terorist training camps in Afghanistan. Aren't you aware of that?? Do you think we should just look the other way, and say "Boys will be boys"? Sheesh...

Finally someone gives one valid reason, but I'm not hearing any news reports about training camps.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean that you weren't hearing any news reports about training camps back a few years ago, before the sh*t started hitting the fan in Afghanistan after 911? If that's what you mean, then I'm surprised by what must be a lack of news coverage in England. News and images and even film footage of such training camps have been well-publicized for years over here. It's been well-documented that certain captured terrorists have spent time in Afghanistan at such camps.

If you mean that you aren't hearing news reports about such training camps NOW, I would imagine that's because we've already laid waste to them (or at least most/many of them). That obviously can be counted as a big success in our Afghan campaign.

s.a.f said:
Surely the same camps also exist in practicly every single country across the middle east?

Don't know for sure. I doubt it.

s.a.f said:
And I'm sure we were tackling the problem of these training camps back in the 90's with covert ops.

Dunno. Maybe. But nowadays it's not covert. Now we go in and bomb the hell out of them.

s.a.f said:
Do you really believe that these camps are worthy of a full on invasion/occupying force?

That's another difficult question to answer, and I'm glad it's not up to me to decide. All I know is that we absolutely CANNOT allow the continued existence of these groups who get together with utter IMPUNITY, to plan and train and plot to do us grievous harm. I don't know if it's going to require a full invasion/occupying force to stop those activities, or if air power alone can do it (including those fantastic unmanned drones that they're developing now to such great effect), but I'll let the President and the military brass continue to make those tough decisions.
 

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Bush, Obama and the military leaders feel those training camps should be laid to waste. (And, Obama is getting "heat" from the leftie loons on this one btw.)

It's obvious s.a.f. that you want the U.S. military disbanded but, just out of curiosity, when would you ever recommend a military attack on another country or group?

Bryan has given you excellent reasons for our military involvement. Yet you still question our obvious reasons for attacking Islamic extremists who clearly want to destroy us.

What should we do? Play pattycake with them? :)

Bryan: I was happy to see Al Franken entertain the troops in Afghanistan!! Not bad!!
 

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Old Baldy said:
What should we do? Play pattycake with them? :)

:)

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Bryan: I was happy to see Al Franken entertain the troops in Afghanistan!! Not bad!!

I've heard he's been there a BUNCH of times!
 

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The problem is not Afghanistan. It is the Pakistan. Period. Afganistan is just a big war playgroung and a place to grow the cashflow for the terrorists. The Enemy is trained and brainwashed mainly in Pakistan. Middle East and North Korea is just a big write-0ff. North Korean leader has a pancreatic cancer! Yeah die f****r! We have not time to f*ck around with people like them if we want to grow up as a specie and make things better. All the countries on the ground right now are doing a massive attack going south since a little bit more than a week where all the dope and the f****ing Jihad and sh*t chill out...call them whatever you want.. Just hope they kill as much as they can and burn all the f****ing Opium and pot.This is why more of our guys are dying overthere lately...because the enemy has no firepower so they use roadside bombs and suicide bombers heavily..because this is all they can do. The whole Nato is getting tired of this war.. and use whatever they can to annihilate them.. Air strike and the artillery is use as often as they can. I am waiting for a redeployement like really soon..maybe August or 2011 will see...I cannot wait to go there and kill as much Zombies as I can and I don't care what people think. I have no respect for this Country full of hate and cowards. Last time, I think I ran over 2 f****ing zombies with my truck ( we are not allowed to stop in a convoy no matter what) and you know what.. I don't give a damn! They are doing that on purpose because they want money from our goverment..f****ing guys were chasing tanks their on foot just to get run over! wow! Zombies!

Zombies............................................. :shakehead:

IEDS are cheap........................and don't expose you to enemy fire! That really sounds like the actions of "Zombies".

You really need to read a bit more and stop acting so ignorant. Then you might understand their actions, it really can help you to stay alive!
 

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oni said:
The problem is not Afghanistan. It is the Pakistan. Period. Afganistan is just a big war playgroung and a place to grow the cashflow for the terrorists. The Enemy is trained and brainwashed mainly in Pakistan. Middle East and North Korea is just a big write-0ff. North Korean leader has a pancreatic cancer! Yeah die f****r! We have not time to f*ck around with people like them if we want to grow up as a specie and make things better. All the countries on the ground right now are doing a massive attack going south since a little bit more than a week where all the dope and the f****ing Jihad and sh*t chill out...call them whatever you want.. Just hope they kill as much as they can and burn all the f****ing Opium and pot.This is why more of our guys are dying overthere lately...because the enemy has no firepower so they use roadside bombs and suicide bombers heavily..because this is all they can do. The whole Nato is getting tired of this war.. and use whatever they can to annihilate them.. Air strike and the artillery is use as often as they can. I am waiting for a redeployement like really soon..maybe August or 2011 will see...I cannot wait to go there and kill as much Zombies as I can and I don't care what people think. I have no respect for this Country full of hate and cowards. Last time, I think I ran over 2 f****ing zombies with my truck ( we are not allowed to stop in a convoy no matter what) and you know what.. I don't give a damn! They are doing that on purpose because they want money from our goverment..f****ing guys were chasing tanks their on foot just to get run over! wow! Zombies!

Zombies............................................. :shakehead:

IEDS are cheap........................and don't expose you to enemy fire! That really sounds like the actions of "Zombies".

You really need to read a bit more and stop acting so ignorant. Then you might understand their actions, it really can help you to stay alive!

Sorry bros you should stop reading and go spend 9 months out there. I totally understand their action because they are cowards, hypocrite and underpowered.IEDS are cheap?not all of them! they are getting bigger and bigger and more complicated to detect... How can you see a roaside bomb under the pavement? We clear 15 kms of road and the day after its full again! The only way to stay alive is to kill much zombies as we can. We call them zombies because they don't care about life.They have nothing to loose and will do anything just to kill one of us. Afghanistan is just a giant sh*t hole. You call me the ignorant and you think you know everything about them by reading some f*****g books! The government pay me so I can know more than you! That is f*****g funny! Anyways they are loosing the battle big time with all the troops out there and just hope they all fried and go to hell.
 

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Sorry bros you should stop reading and go spend 9 months out there. I totally understand their action because they are cowards, hypocrite and underpowered.IEDS are cheap?not all of them! they are getting bigger and bigger and more complicated to detect... How can you see a roaside bomb under the pavement? We clear 15 kms of road and the day after its full again! The only way to stay alive is to kill much zombies as we can. We call them zombies because they don't care about life.They have nothing to loose and will do anything just to kill one of us. Afghanistan is just a giant sh*t hole. You call me the ignorant and you think you know everything about them by reading some f****ing books! The government pay me so I can know more than you! That is f****ing funny! Anyways they are loosing the battle big time with all the troops out there and just hope they all fried and go to hell.

:bravo:

We sure are going to win the fight with people like you............................. :whistle:

Afghanistan is just a giant sh*t hole.

I wonder why................................ :whistle:

The government pay me so I can know more than you!

So you work in "intelligence"?

Anyways they are loosing the battle big time with all the troops out there and just hope they all fried and go to hell.

And this is what they are telling you...................... :innocent:


So when you have finished killing..................................what is going to happen next?
 

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ONi to all your stupid questions..

-They are 11 millions mines left by the Russian so you think this place was a beautiful place to stay before we showed up... BTW our priority mission was the reconstruction of the Country..get your sh*t together....stop being a smart ***.
-No got a 10 months training prior to any deployement to learn about them, the terrain...
-Do you know how many troopers from all the World are in this shithole right now?
-Next...hahhaha pick a spot my friend.
 

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Next...hahhaha pick a spot my friend.

So you started another cycle and in 10-15 years we are going to have the same if not worse.................................................. :shakehead:
 

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Not as many as the USSR did..................................... :gay:
 

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oni said:
Next...hahhaha pick a spot my friend.

So you started another cycle and in 10-15 years we are going to have the same if not worse.................................................. :shakehead:

I totally know that.
 

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Not as many as the USSR did..................................... :gay:

what?
 

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You need to stop editing your posts..................................
 

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You really need to read a bit more and stop acting so ignorant. Then you might understand their actions, it really can help you to stay alive!

Yeah right! go tell that to them a**h**: http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadi ... y9D5BEXEQw

They all mostly died from roadside bombs...the list is at 124 right now not 121.. All f*****g ignorant people!
 

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They are 11 millions mines left by the Russian so you think this place was a beautiful place to stay before we showed up... BTW our priority mission was the reconstruction of the Country..get your sh*t together....stop being a smart ***.

Lol! did you count them................ :whistle:

Look the Mujahideen planted lots of mines too................................and who did they get them from? :whistle:

When did I say it was a "beautiful place"???

Reconstruction............please don't make me laugh!!!

Do you know how many troopers from all the World are in this shithole right now?

No and never do you! But I bet you a fiver it's not more than the USSR had during the war!

This is not Iraq.......................................................................and you are right Pakistan is one of the problems and because of this you will not win!

You really do need to read more..........................
 

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Old Baldy said:
Bush, Obama and the military leaders feel those training camps should be laid to waste. (And, Obama is getting "heat" from the leftie loons on this one btw.)

It's obvious s.a.f. that you want the U.S. military disbanded but, just out of curiosity, when would you ever recommend a military attack on another country or group?

I dont want the U.S military disbanded, I was just asking the question why we are seemingly launching a full scale military campaign in Afghanistan.
To me its more a question of what exactly do we have to gain in the longrun?
Turning Afghanistan into a war zone is only clearly only promoting more hatred towards us. Turning Afghans who would'nt normally be fighting into Jihadists (giving them an enemy to fight on their homeland).
No matter how many we kill over there these groups (Al Queda) will always exist and still be around plotting against us. It seems that their leaders have simply fled (and no doubt moved their training camps) to pakistan and other surrounding countries.
You have to question if it was'nt for America's influence would NATO/allied forces really be there in such a large scale operation.
9/11 was the biggest terrorist strike ever but it was'nt a declaration of war from Afghanistan.
To put it another way when the IRA were bombing buildings in London did the British government begin launching airstrikes into Belfast and start open warfare in the cities of northern Ireland?

I'd guess the last large scale conflict that was truly justified IMO was the 1990 gulf war When Iraq brought it upon themselves by launching a full invasion on another country.

old baldy said:
Bryan has given you excellent reasons for our military involvement. Yet you still question our obvious reasons for attacking Islamic extremists who clearly want to destroy us.

What should we do? Play pattycake with them? :)
One reason - training camps and as I said before we were tackling the problem before with covert ops.
I'm just saying compare the mindset of a soldier in WW2 knowing exactly why he's there and what he's fighting for and that of a young soldier in Afghanistan fighting against the local guerillas or as squeegee put it "a shithole full of zombies".
 

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Yeah right! go tell that to them a**hole: http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadi ... y9D5BEXEQw

They all mostly died from roadside bombs...the list is at 124 right now not 121.. All f****ing ignorant people!

:bravo:

Don't play that card with me!

Wasn't talking to you btw.


Ok where should I start?

NATO's role in Afghanistan
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/top ... m#missions

NATO’s main role in Afghanistan is to assist the Afghan Government in exercising and extending its authority and influence across the country, paving the way for reconstruction and effective governance. It does this predominately through its UN-mandated International Security Assistance Force.

Since NATO took command of ISAF in 2003, the Alliance has gradually expanded the reach of its mission, originally limited to Kabul, to cover Afghanistan’s whole territory. The number of ISAF troops has grown accordingly from the initial 5,000 to around 50.000 troops coming from 42 countries, including all 28 NATO members.

Reconstruction and development

Through its Provincial Reconstruction Teams (PRTs), ISAF is supporting reconstruction and development (R&D) in Afghanistan, securing areas in which reconstruction work is conducted by other national and international actors.

Where appropriate, and in close cooperation and coordination with GIROA and UNAMA representatives on the ground, ISAF is also providing practical support for R&D efforts, as well as support for humanitarian assistance efforts conducted by Afghan government organizations, international organizations, and NGOs.

Canada's role in the invasion of Afghanistan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%27s ... fghanistan

Provincial reconstruction team

A key element of Canadian operations in Afghanistan is the Kandahar Provincial Reconstruction Team (KPRT), one of 25 provincial reconstruction teams throughout the country. A Provincial Reconstruction Team(PRT) is a unit introduced by the United States government to support reconstruction efforts in unstable states, performing duties ranging from humanitarian work to the training of police and the military. Following NATO's involvement, command of some PRTs was transferred from the US to other nations under ISAF.

The Kandahar PRT is composed of around 330-335 personnel composed largely of Canadian Forces elements (315), but also of a few diplomats, correctional officers, development specialists, and Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP).[10][11][12] The Kandahar PRT also includes one U.S. State Department official, one U.S. development official, and several U.S. police mentors.[11]

The PRT is about one-eighth the size of the overall 2,830 Canadian military forces in Afghanistan. The 2008 Manley Report recommended that the KPRT be given more funding and attention and be placed under civilian leadership instead.[11]

Other Operations

* Rather than playing a purely domestic role, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service has been "noticeably altered" to allow it to play a part in the war, as well as in the Iraq War.[14]
* Canada has assisted in the collection, storage and decommissioning of 10,000 heavy weapons left in Afghanistan including artillery, tanks and rocket launchers, used in decades of conflict in the country.[5]
* Canada has helped clear about one third of the estimated 10 to 15 million mines in Afghanistan.[5]
* Canada has loaned money to over 140,000 people in Afghanistan.[5]
* Canada has helped train the Afghan police and army.[5][15]
* Since December 2001, Canada has been an active participant in the civilian-led United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan. The Canadian military terms it Operation ACCIUS.
* In 2005 Canada initiated the Strategic Advisory Team – Afghanistan (SAT-A), known as Operation ARGUS, to mentor aspects of the Afghani government on defense issues. It usually contains around fifteen personnel and one CIDA official.[16][17]
* Canada is a member of Combined Task Force 150 (CTF 150), termed Operation Altair, that is used for maritime patrol and enforcement near Afghanistan.[18]
* Since early 2006, the Canadian Operational Mentor Liaison Team (OMLT) has helped to train and equip the Afghan National Army to take over security when the coalition pulls out. Currently the OMLT consists of around 200 personnel training 1,000 Afghan soldiers of the 1st Brigade, 205th Corps. The OMLT also has a subgroup that mentors the Afghan National Police.[19][20]

Your head is stuck way up your *** and you call me the ignorant?lol You are just a public opinion because you have no idea.
 

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Squeegee

Canada has loaned money to over 140,000 people in Afghanistan

What 2p eash? this means nothing......................................

Canada has assisted in the collection, storage and decommissioning of 10,000 heavy weapons left in Afghanistan including artillery, tanks and rocket launchers, used in decades of conflict in the country.[

Come now.........................anyone can go to Afghanistan and find 10,000 bits of scrap metal. :gay: The USSR left loads!

Canada has helped train the Afghan police and army.

Afghan police and army.................what police and army? lol! you guys could very well have been training the enemy up. I hear the ID system is really good in Afghanistan and all the enemy have tattoos on their forehead saying "insurgent"..................................... :shakehead:

You are just a public opinion because you have no idea.

Is this what they train you to think?

Read the stuff you post before you post it Squeegee...........................
 
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