Why losing hair is/can be a big deal for the hair loss-individual.

[superfrankie]

btw, whats your baldness degree superfrankie?

According to the Norwood scale - Norwood 5 A, and you?

outch... im not far behind you. i defently feel your pain tho, at your age its all about looks, but work on your health, body and plan head your career, turst me, second thing after looks is money that chicks goes for

Yeah, I try to work on the things I can change atm. However, I refuse to accept gold diggers in my life. Those chicks can burn in hell. f*** them!

 

[superfrankie]

I have a lot of admiration and respect for people like Frankie given how hard it is to suffer hairloss when you're in your late teens/early twenties when everyone is so superficial and obsessed with looks...

Thank you for the understanding.

 

[superfrankie]

monty1978: Im 22 now. I went from a NW1 to a NW5 in 1,5-2 years. I have used both laser, minoxidil and finas but quit them all after a year or so. My hair loss is to aggresive. Also, Im afraid of permanent finas side effects. Its just not worth it.

Im not ultra-slick though. I have a some stubble at the top of my head, but it is as close to NW5 as you can get. Maybe Im a Norwood 4,5+. I dont know. It doesnt matter really. It looks terrible regardless.

You have any pics to post superfrankie? If you still have some soft hairs on top maybe a regiment would be worth it. I know finasteride can be scary but it's better than being bald! You lost all that hair in 2 years? Thats tough man. I've been losing my hair for about 10 years and I still have enough that if I grow it to certain length it can look like just a mature hairline. However if buzzed low it looks like I'm pretty thin everywhere on top in a Norwood 4a or 5a pattern. I've been on finasteride for like 2 years and I swear I got thinner since starting.

I have pics, but I dont want to post them. I dont want to hang out myself publicly.

The way I see it: The moment I lost my hairline and developed huge temples and a bald crown, there is no turning back. NW3 or NW5. Its the same sh*t for me.

 

[HatPrisoner91]

It's the attitudes like the one you're expressing which is what bothers me most about being overweight.

I'm 41 and have achieved so many of my goals in life, yet I still struggle every single day with my weight.

Sure, there are slobs in life, but for the vast majority of people being overweight is not even close to being as simple an issue as you seem to think it is.

He is right though. Unless you have a physical illness, then you should be able to lose weight. I have absolutely the WORST metabolism known to man. My parents were both fat. I was overweight too years back.

I run and lift weights when I can. If anyone has any excuses why they can't, I'd love to compare. I have injuries in EVERY PART of my body. Docs tell me I should not really be exercising unless in a pool.

I haven't had junk food or fast food in 10 years. I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs. I eat clean as much as I can.

Even with all of that, I can still get in better shape and struggle with it. Others don't do a thing and are ripped.

Point is, at least you CAN do something about it. There is nothing a person can do to magically grow their hair back. So yes, being overweight is and should be looked at differently.

 

[GeminiX]

What is it with people cherry picking other peoples arguments and crowbarring the into other people's comments?

Just to be clear *again*; I'm not the one who keeps trying to compare obesity to hair-loss, it's like apples and oranges.

Just this once, here is a comparison.

Hair loss is genetic, obesity is psychiatric.
Obesity is life threatening, hair loss is vanity/cosmetic.
Hair loss and obesity have some treatment success with medication.
Obesity can be treated surgically with bariatric surgery, hair loss can be concealed with a hair transplant.
Hair loss can be cosmetically improved with topical powders and wigs, obesity can be cosmetically improved with cunning wardrobe choices.

Seriously, do I need to go on?

Stop being so bloody silly and try to at least grasp some of the points I'm attempting to make.

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

No one really thinks of bald people as inferior. Most people who are made fun of for being bald are fat, ugly, and annoying to boot (See Childress who just got fired from the Minnesota vikings...I'm surprised he didn't get called baldy more often as ugly and obnoxious as he is)

 

[uncomfortable man]

No one really thinks of bald people as inferior. Most people who are made fun of for being bald are fat, ugly, and annoying to boot (See Childress who just got fired from the Minnesota vikings...I'm surprised he didn't get called baldy more often as ugly and obnoxious as he is)

I know I'm going to sound like a hypocrite for this but, how do you know what other people are or aren't thinking?

 

[superfrankie]

No one really thinks of bald people as inferior. Most people who are made fun of for being bald are fat, ugly, and annoying to boot (See Childress who just got fired from the Minnesota vikings...I'm surprised he didn't get called baldy more often as ugly and obnoxious as he is)

I know I'm going to sound like a hypocrite for this but, how do you know what other people are or aren't thinking?

People see fat people as inferior. I cant go inside someone`s mind to prove it, but I can notice it in their verbal communication.

 

[Ori83]

Every time pop the baldness question its basically the same routine... she will say she doesnt mind it, tho she never dated a bald guy in her life, she will say that plenty of *other* girls think bald men are hot (and even might throw some examples.. the most common would be vin diesel) but she doesnt fancy the bald head herself....

i didnt need that to know women speak one thing (to be "politically correct") but acts a whole different. if a person thinks that baldness doesnt make a difference then he/she is lying or just being an idiot, i tend to think it DOES make you inferior and you have to work harder to score points, and even then if your young, youll get shut down ALOT dont be sad about it either, this is what you got, learn to live with it. you got unfairly fucked by your own body and this is a fact you have to learn to live with! so might aswell learn to enjoy whatever other things you got going on for you.

 

[bigentries]

I agree that baldness does lower attraction points, but "makes you inferior"?

Why all the self defeating attitude?

Forget that I am losing hair. Let's move 10 years ago. I was called ugly by a girl I had a crush at high school.
Would you have said to me that I was "inferior"?

What about the asian guy that exemplified that Asian men are repulsive to American girls? Are asian men "inferior"?

Jesus Christ, another point that shows many here are just spoiled babies who had it always easy at life concerning their looks.
It's an issue that is rightfully allowed to be pissed at, but many just bring it to a level of paranoia where it is impossible to feel any kind of compassion

 

[Ori83]

I agree that baldness does lower attraction points, but "makes you inferior"?

maybe my English is bad, but doesnt inferior means "less" ? (as if "less attraction points?").... :dunno:

edit later : http://www.allwords.com/word-inferior.html

 

[superfrankie]

Every time pop the baldness question its basically the same routine... she will say she doesnt mind it, tho she never dated a bald guy in her life, she will say that plenty of *other* girls think bald men are hot (and even might throw some examples.. the most common would be vin diesel) but she doesnt fancy the bald head herself....

i didnt need that to know women speak one thing (to be "politically correct") but acts a whole different. .

True. Women say one thing and mean the opposite quite often, just to be polite/"political correct".

 

[superfrankie]

I agree that baldness does lower attraction points, but "makes you inferior"?

Why all the self defeating attitude?

Inferior can mean many things. You can be inferior in the looks department, but it does not mean you are inferior as a human being. That is quite a difference.

Just because somebody treats me as inferior due to my looks (girls in clubs for example) does not mean I feel inferior to them as a human being so take a chill pill :jackit:

 

[HatPrisoner91]

No one really thinks of bald people as inferior. Most people who are made fun of for being bald are fat, ugly, and annoying to boot (See Childress who just got fired from the Minnesota vikings...I'm surprised he didn't get called baldy more often as ugly and obnoxious as he is)

Are you nuts? Bald guys are seen as less unless they are going for a "bad ***, tough guy role or job".

 

[HatPrisoner91]

Hair loss is genetic, obesity is psychiatric.
Obesity is life threatening, hair loss is vanity/cosmetic.
Hair loss and obesity have some treatment success with medication.
Obesity can be treated surgically with bariatric surgery, hair loss can be concealed with a hair transplant.
Hair loss can be cosmetically improved with topical powders and wigs, obesity can be cosmetically improved with cunning wardrobe choices.

1) Obesity is genetic too.
2) Hair loss can also be life threatening in the results psychologically on the person.
3) Not right. The most obese people can get a surgery which can help make them les obese. Diet and exercise also has an effect. The bigger you are, the easier it is to lose massive amount of weight. Only slightly bald people can truly be helped. A nw6 and NW7 can't do much at all.
4) Fatness can be cured cosmetically as well.

 

[AnberlinFan84]

damn HP you always seem so negative

 

[GeminiX]

Hair loss is genetic, obesity is psychiatric.
Obesity is life threatening, hair loss is vanity/cosmetic.
Hair loss and obesity have some treatment success with medication.
Obesity can be treated surgically with bariatric surgery, hair loss can be concealed with a hair transplant.
Hair loss can be cosmetically improved with topical powders and wigs, obesity can be cosmetically improved with cunning wardrobe choices.

1) Obesity is genetic too.
2) Hair loss can also be life threatening in the results psychologically on the person.
3) Not right. The most obese people can get a surgery which can help make them les obese. Diet and exercise also has an effect. The bigger you are, the easier it is to lose massive amount of weight. Only slightly bald people can truly be helped. A nw6 and NW7 can't do much at all.
4) Fatness can be cured cosmetically as well.

1. No it's not, look it up. The genetic obesity argument has (sadly) been thoroughly debunked and the results are in PLoS.
2. You don't die from hair loss, stop being so silly.
3. Incorrect, bariatric treatment only cures the symptoms of obesity, it does not cure the underlying mental issue. In addition, people who lose large amounts of weight will have large amounts of excess flesh. You can have a lower body lift, but even the very best surgeons are unable to achieve particularly attractive results.
4. See above, unless the obesity was mild, there is no particularly good cosmetic surgeon anywhere in the world who can nip/tuck the patient to the point where then can ever look good naked.

Did you actually consider any of what you wrote before you posted it? If you put the same energy into trying to make your life better than into being deliberately miserable, you could probably achieve quite a lot.

 

[HatPrisoner91]

1. No it's not, look it up. The genetic obesity argument has (sadly) been thoroughly debunked and the results are in PLoS.
2. You don't die from hair loss, stop being so silly.
3. Incorrect, bariatric treatment only cures the symptoms of obesity, it does not cure the underlying mental issue. In addition, people who lose large amounts of weight will have large amounts of excess flesh. You can have a lower body lift, but even the very best surgeons are unable to achieve particularly attractive results.
4. See above, unless the obesity was mild, there is no particularly good cosmetic surgeon anywhere in the world who can nip/tuck the patient to the point where then can ever look good naked.

Did you actually consider any of what you wrote before you posted it? If you put the same energy into trying to make your life better than into being deliberately miserable, you could probably achieve quite a lot.

Ever heard of Gastric Bypass Surgery? Are you telling me obese people can't lose massive amount of weight?

Let's go straight to the specifics:

"The laparoscopic approach showed similar results, with 69% to 82% of excess weight lost over 12 to 54 months."

Sorry I base my statements in FACT. Try it sometime. Thanks.

Everything I saw deals with fact. You are the trying to convince people silly things like "job interviews are not at all related to looks and presentation". I understand people need to be positive but there is a difference between positive and delusional.

 

[superfrankie]

You are the trying to convince people silly things like "job interviews are not at all related to looks and presentation". I understand people need to be positive but there is a difference between positive and delusional.

I really have to agree here. In my country, looks have become tremendously important in order to land a job. Ofc, in some businesses there are some exceptions, like carpentry, jobs at industries, IT-jobs etc but generally you need to look presentable, or else they wont hire you. Period. Positivity is never a bad thing but it cant alone help you getting a job.

 

[GeminiX]

First off, as someone who is in the process of having a gastric band fitted at the Spire clinic in Bristol, I dare say I know a lot more about bariatric procedures than you do, you should read my blog some time.

You really are a gem; you love to tell people they are not allowed to have a real opinion on hair loss unless they are NW6, yet then try to make out you know all the facts about weight loss and obeisty. Been overweight all your life have you? Had bariatric surgery yourself have you? If not then you're a hypocrite.

Bariatric procedures do *NOT* cure the mental issues of obesity, they will help with the symptoms (i.e. the part about being physically overweight), but you are still the same person mentally. Even after a gastric band, and even if you're one of the lucky ones who lose all your excess weight, you still have cravings for food which you have to live with all your life.

Many people who have had bariatric procedures are utterly miserable afterwards as they are forced into cold-turkey inability to eat the foods they are used to.

The fact you believe a gastric band or bypass is a complete cure to weight problems shows you actually know very little about the subject other than what you skimmed from Google.

Secondly, you quote me as saying "job interviews are not at all related to looks and presentation", can you point out in which of my posts I make that statement?

I suspect not, but feel free to check out this post by me about quarter of the way down - viewtopic.php?f=41&t=61659&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=150