Why the Blackpill is mostly cringe bullshit

[keepcoolmybabies]

Funny how the "logic" of a transexual works.

You are born with XY chromosomes, you have a dick and balls, you can't have children or menstruate yet in your twisted mind you think people "groomed" you when they tell you, you are a man by every objective metric.

Maybe the pure evil is your twisted (brainwashed?) mind. That's what people want to "erase" so you can embrace your biological reality, your true nature.

The real evil is everyone accomodating your illness and prescribing you all kinds of hormone altering drugs and even surgery that will mutilate you forever.

And don't be mistaken, it's masculinity that makes civilization possible.

There's a linguistic difference between sex and gender (though the two are often conflated). The former is the initial stuff you're describing -- chromosomes, secondary sex characteristics, etc (though it's far more complex than the grade school version you describe, but that's a different conversation). The latter is social roles that we often ascribe to someone's sex, though they are arbitrary and change depending on the civilization and generation.

So being "groomed" as they point out is essentially being told how you should act, think, look, clothing you should wear, interests you're allowed to have, etc. And many people are just fine assuming the social roles they are designated. But if someone isn't, what's the big deal? Why make them have a shitty life to just meet some arbitrary standard that doesn't affect anyone else negatively if they aren't just another cog in the wheel?

 

[KevinEdEddEddy]

I already gave the reason why, per my own experience as an actual trans person, earlier in this thread. But of course that doesn't matter because it's easier to just have an opinion of "trans people are disgusting scum, but I'm pretending to justify my hatred for (false) humane reasons"

I am against trans agenda in culture, especially considering teens and PRETEENS. I can remember that when I left my psych ward I was so humiliated I am not a real man because I am weak, skinny and femboyishly looking (srsly people were asking me if I am a f*****) that if someone convinced my broken mind hard enough, I would go the HRT and SRS route, after which I WOULD KILL MYSELF FOR WHAT I HAVE DONE TO MYSELF, I hate transsexualism purely because it encourages irreversible 'solutions' to those who do not know if they want it, because they are mostly teens who are lost in life or preteens who are not even aware of what sex and gender actually is

After my therapy, putting muscles on and facing my problems I no longer have problems with my masculinity and no one will even question it, and the thought I could be convinced into SRS makes my want to puke

 

[KevinEdEddEddy]

I matched with a tranny who was hotter than my last gf
what do i do?

Imo tranny will always me less hot than an actual woman based on the sole fact we are heterosexual and trannies are still male

 

[Isaac Newton]

Obviously. I just can't believe you were able to piece together that I made this account years ago and have posted a ton since, including a number of recent pics of myself and documented my hair recovery here etc and then randomly one day decided to create an entirely fake account in which I journal a completely separate experience in my new thread, all so I can eventually win a pointless argument against Isaac Newton. Top notch slouthing, really.

I'm sorry Princess

 

[Isaac Newton]

Funny how the "logic" of a transexual works.

You are born with XY chromosomes, you have a dick and balls, you can't have children or menstruate yet in your twisted mind you think people "groomed" you when they tell you, you are a man by every objective metric.

Maybe the pure evil is your twisted (brainwashed?) mind. That's what people want to "erase" so you can embrace your biological reality, your true nature.

The real evil is everyone accomodating your illness and prescribing you all kinds of hormone altering drugs and even surgery that will mutilate you forever.

And don't be mistaken, it's masculinity that makes civilization possible.

Based

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

I am against trans agenda in culture, especially considering teens and PRETEENS. I can remember that when I left my psych ward I was so humiliated I am not a real man because I am weak, skinny and femboyishly looking (srsly people were asking me if I am a f*****) that if someone convinced my broken mind hard enough, I would go the HRT and SRS route, after which I WOULD KILL MYSELF FOR WHAT I HAVE DONE TO MYSELF, I hate transsexualism purely because it encourages irreversible 'solutions' to those who do not know if they want it, because they are mostly teens who are lost in life or preteens who are not even aware of what sex and gender actually is

After my therapy, putting muscles on and facing my problems I no longer have problems with my masculinity and no one will even question it, and the thought I could be convinced into SRS makes my want to puke

Well I'm sorry for what you went through and am glad you found happiness in yourself now. But realize that's your life and that solution was what worked best for you and it might not work best for everyone. So I don't have any issues with someone wanting to be the most alpha male dude on the planet. Good for them, go for it. But when someone, on the other hand, isn't willing to extend that same freedom for me to pursue my own happiness (and furthermore act like their own masculinity or even the survival of society rests in me not being able to be trans) it's a bit unfortunate.

Tbqh I really have no problem with anyone here or how they want to live their lives or whatever. In fact I'd likely get along with most of you since I'm relatively nuanced and have a decent sense of humor. But the treating me subhuman part is, ya know, kinda hard to get past lol

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

Imo tranny will always me less hot than an actual woman based on the sole fact we are heterosexual and trannies are still male

Not trying to change your sexuality as you can be attracted to whoever you want. But out of curiosity, if someone looks like an objectively attractive female, their lived existence day to day is female and are seen by the world that way and you wouldn't know the difference until they tell you (to which you then retroactively judge them differently than your initial instincts), what's really the difference? I feel like much of it stems from the thought of their potential past and so people are worried that it means they're somehow gay if they were to act on their attraction. But things change. People can change. Sometimes remarkably so.. All humans were once babies too you know, but obviously no one's worried what the implication would be there if they applied the same immutable standard about people before sleeping with them

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

No such thing as gender. Gender is a made up social construct to facilitate the illness of certain people. If you have XY chromosome, balls and a dick you are a man, making up new words won't change that biological fact. (and yes I know there a couple of very rare exceptions like intersex people, but these people have a legit medical condition)

In the past gender was nothing more than a synonym for sex, this has now been twisted in a new meaning. And yes social roles do change (to a degree) but there's a reason we have social roles, these evolved naturally. Men are stronger and aggressive for example (due to hormones like testosterone) so of course men fall into different "roles" than women. Men and women aren't the same, we can't just switch to another gender/sex if we want to like transexuals think, it's not that simple. Even if you do manage to "look" like a woman, if your pants/skirt goes down...it's not the same. Of course normal heterosexual males are disgusted by that.

We always have and always will have girls that are more into masculine things, we called them tomboys. And same for boys who are more into feminine stuff and there's nothing wrong with that (if it's a small minority, if everyone starts acting like this we have a big problem of course)

But there are limits. We have crossed that line in a lot of places in the west where it's now ok to give children/teenagers hormone therapy who "feel" like they're X. Or Hollywood celebreties who deliberately dress their son up as a princess so they can virtue signal to the world how "progressive" they are. Transexuals who barely look like a woman for example (think Janey) and think it's okay to go into female bathrooms becasue they "feel" they're a woman. Transexuals who now compete in female sports and dominate these sports. 65+ ridiculous pronouns for every idiot who wants to feel special,...

This isn't just about acceptance, this is about the complete deconstruction of society to a new genderless "utopia".

Gender is just a current definition of those social roles. You can say it's made up term but then you proceeded to describe that very definition of it I was referring to in the next paragraph. Honestly though it's semantics. I don't care whether you call it gender or sex based social roles. The gist is still the same.

Where I ultimately diverge from you is your insistence that someone by default should fill a particular role, especially in modern society where hunter/gatherer style roles aren't required in every sort of job/lifestyle to still be able to live a decent life.

As for some of the other stuff you said, I haven't a clue which restroom Janey used (not to mention she had other issues like bipolor or DID that have nothing to do with being trans).

The sports thing is complicated. I think in many instances certain sports would likely have an unfair advantage for the typical trans person if they transitioned post puberty (but if they took hormones at puberty it wouldn't make a discernable difference).

I don't exactly understand things like non binary or pronoun variations. But I also don't really mind accommodating someone if it makes them happier. If I can call someone snoop dog then it really doesn't bother me to call someone else by whatever they prefer.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

The difference is you aren't a woman even if you manage to look like one. Where's your vagina? (I've seen the results of these "trans vagina" surgeries btw, absolutely disgusting) Can you have a baby? Did your genetics change?

This is the delusional logic of trans people. No matter how many surgeries or hormone treatments you take, you will never be a woman. Anyway I don't want to insult you by saying these things but it's the truth.

When have you ever genetically tested someone you've dated before doing so? I'm guessing never.

Many women can't have babies.

There's various gender reassignment surgery techniques. Some yield less than aesthetically optimal results, others are legit crazy good.

Now having said that I again don't care who you date. If you don't wanna date a trans woman for whatever reason that's fine.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

Imagine for a second every man becoming transexual, do you actually think society will survive?

Also we see in the most "gender neutral" countries like Sweden for example that the gender difference even becomes wider. Men choosing typical male roles and females choosing their typical roles, jobs.


Janey was only an example for the typical deluded transexual who still looks like a man but believes she's a woman. But do you believe mtf transexuals should be able to use the female restroom?

- But every man is not going to become trans so there's no point in imagining a society like that and thus advocating against the small group that do to prevent a scenario that will never happen.

- Janey truly a one of a kind individual so it's disingenuous to imply they're typical of most trans people. They transitioned late in life with no prior dysphoria and suffered DID. Im nothing like them and tbh I know very few other people (trans or not) like them.

- I think most trans people generally use the restroom of the gender they look like since they are hoping to avoid confrontation. I use the women's restroom. It'd be very uncomfortable for both myself and others if I used the men's room since I'd stick out like a sore thumb. Likewise if a trans dude, with muscles a beard etc, used the women's room I'm sure many women would feel uncomfortable.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

Sure if she has a medical condition or if she's in menopause. Most women can still have babies, mtf transexuals can't. Also do transexuals menstruate?

She doesn't have to have a diagnosed condition to have fertility issues. It's not that uncommon, many couples struggle to have kids.

Plenty of cis women also don't menstruate. It's also fairly common, particularly with birth control pills affecting hormones etc. Also I didn't exactly know menstruation was typically a turn on, but to each their own.

 

[Hangin'on Hair]

Everything in your recent posts are cancer. Women absolutely care about looks more than anything but I don't expect a boomer like @Hangin'on Hair to understand.

Shut the f*** up zoomer, I’m not a boomer.

 

[Caillou]

Shut the f*** up zoomer, I’m not a boomer.

Zoomers are one of the worst generations in world's history. And that's coming from a Zoomer myself

 

[corkmeister]

There's a linguistic difference between sex and gender (though the two are often conflated). The former is the initial stuff you're describing -- chromosomes, secondary sex characteristics, etc (though it's far more complex than the grade school version you describe, but that's a different conversation). The latter is social roles that we often ascribe to someone's sex, though they are arbitrary and change depending on the civilization and generation.

So being "groomed" as they point out is essentially being told how you should act, think, look, clothing you should wear, interests you're allowed to have, etc. And many people are just fine assuming the social roles they are designated. But if someone isn't, what's the big deal? Why make them have a shitty life to just meet some arbitrary standard that doesn't affect anyone else negatively if they aren't just another cog in the wheel?

You have my respect for opening up in a hostile area like this and engaging in good faith but you're wasting your time. These people are your enemies and you will never convince them. Never forget that if they had any political power they would actively marginalize you. There's no middle ground to be reached here. Just focus your efforts elsewhere.

 

[I wont lose this]

Y'all f*****g insane lmao I lose my sh*t whenever someone posts anything that says "Men before x Men nowadays", where the former shows pictures of strong, intimidating men, probably from military, and the latter some dudes dressed like women. LIke, what the f*** dude. Go post that sh*t on facebook or anything else, you're no better than who you are criticizing

 

[Caillou]

"Anybody who doesn't agree with my far left ideology is an enemy" Fck off with your polarizing, typical extremist discourse. Nothing wrong with a discussion, we're grown ups here and can agree to disagree, that doesn't make the other person an enemy you fool.

Dude i think he meant that talking to liberals/leftists is a waste of time becahse they will never be convinced anyway and they hate your guts for not enabling them. But i don't think he's a leftist himself

 

[corkmeister]

"Anybody who doesn't agree with my far left ideology is an enemy" Fck off with your polarizing, typical extremist discourse. Nothing wrong with a discussion, we're grown ups here and can agree to disagree, that doesn't make the other person an enemy you fool.

Relax Pigeon, no need to get upset. All I'm saying is that there's multiple people in this thread talking about transgenders as if they're subhuman. It has nothing to do with having different opinions. There are several people in this thread who are her enemy. If they had the political capital to do so, they would actively marginalize her. What's so hard to understand about that?

 

[Caillou]

Quote me where people are saying they're "subhuman".

Also define "marginalizing", what do you understand under that word? Killing them? Completely banning them from society? I really doubt anyone itt wants that. Or for example, I'm against giving hormone treatment to children and teenagers if they feel like a different sex than they were born as, is that also marginalizing?

I would never harm a tranny tbh. If anything i feel bad for them and see them as victims

 

[300]

Be it far left or far right, if one claims that the other person is an enemy because he has a different opinion then he's a polarizing extremist.

They are Trump supporters.

 

[corkmeister]

Quote me where people are saying they're "subhuman".

Also define "marginalizing", what do you understand under that word? Killing them? Completely banning them from society? I really doubt anyone itt wants that. Or for example, I'm against giving hormone treatment to children and teenagers if they feel like a different sex than they were born as, is that also marginalizing?

Talking about transgenders as if they were subhuman. I'll humor you though, I've just now clicked a random page in this thread:

You're a tranny. Your opinion doesn't mean sh*t. f*** off

And no, I don't think people here are in favor of straight out killing them. But it's obvious the political agenda runs counter to what a lot of transgenders would consider hard-fought rights. You can use the example of hormone blockers if you want, sure.

I just don't understand why it's such a sensitive issue when called on it. There's a very sharp contrast between the obvious bigotry and hostility on display and the 'we're adults, agree to disagree, just a normal discussion'. It just seems like a bit of a copout to me.