3 month hair growth results without using minoxidil or propecia(GREAT RESULTS)

[NorwoodGuardian]

I’m attributing most of that to keto cream and estrogen. Same with the guy in the photos

I use Nizoral shampoo but not much help from it. Maybe a few minutes on scalp is not enough.

 

[Selb]

I use Nizoral shampoo but not much help from it. Maybe a few minutes on scalp is not enough.

Shampoo is most likely worthless unless you stay in the shower for twenty minutes with it on your hair. You need the 2% cream like the OP uses and leave it on the scalp overnight

 

[deathdiss]

The Nizoral shampoo is absolute garbage. I think that one of the reasons why I diffused in the first place. I've been on and off on the diet but what really made the biggest and the most insane difference is ketoconazole 2% cream and the derm pen.

I only started using the derm pen on november the 6th and I've grown a solid patch of new hair(no exaggeration)under my left temple under a month. The picture does not show it but I can testify myself.


The combination of keto, microneedling and bi-estro and of course hardcore dieting has accelerated my hair growth.

The other combinations such as rosemary and peppermint and emu oil are secondary helpers.

 

[deathdiss]

I have to admit microneedling at 1.75mm at a high frequency is very painful. If you're bleeding everywhere you're doing it right.

 

[Selb]

I have to admit microneedling at 1.75mm at a high frequency is very painful. If you're bleeding everywhere you're doing it right.

What brand pen do you use?

 

[deathdiss]

If you ever get a chance make sure to get the derminator or a derm pen

What brand pen do you use?

I got my brand from Dr. Pen the M8 version(latest edition)

 

[Norwoody]

Does anyone know the binding affinities for ketoconazole? From what I've heard it's a very weak AA.

 

[deathdiss]

Does anyone know the binding affinities for ketoconazole? From what I've heard it's a very weak AA.

I'm not sure if this is the answer you're looking for:

Ketoconazole binds to the human androgen receptor - PubMed

Ketoconazole, an imidazole anti-fungal agent, has often produced features of androgen deficiency including decreased libido, gynecomastia, impotence, oligospermia, and decreased testosterone levels, in men being treated for chronic mycotic infections. Based on these potent effects on gonadal...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"binding of ketoconazole to human androgen receptors (AR) in vitro was also examined. Ketoconazole competition with [3H]methyltrienolone (R1881) for androgen binding sites in dispersed, intact cultured human skin fibroblasts was determined at 22 degrees C. Fifty percent displacement of [3H]R1881 binding to AR was achieved by 6.4 +/- 1.8 (SE) x 10(-5) M ketoconazole. Additional binding studies performed with ketoconazole in the presence of increasing amounts of [3H]R1881 showed that the interaction of ketoconazole with AR was competitive when the data were analyzed by the Scatchard method. It should be noted, however, that the dose of ketoconazole required for 50% occupancy of the androgen receptor is not likely to be achieved in vivo, at least in plasma."

 

[Norwoody]

I'm not sure if this is the answer you're looking for:

Ketoconazole binds to the human androgen receptor - PubMed

Ketoconazole, an imidazole anti-fungal agent, has often produced features of androgen deficiency including decreased libido, gynecomastia, impotence, oligospermia, and decreased testosterone levels, in men being treated for chronic mycotic infections. Based on these potent effects on gonadal...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"binding of ketoconazole to human androgen receptors (AR) in vitro was also examined. Ketoconazole competition with [3H]methyltrienolone (R1881) for androgen binding sites in dispersed, intact cultured human skin fibroblasts was determined at 22 degrees C. Fifty percent displacement of [3H]R1881 binding to AR was achieved by 6.4 +/- 1.8 (SE) x 10(-5) M ketoconazole. Additional binding studies performed with ketoconazole in the presence of increasing amounts of [3H]R1881 showed that the interaction of ketoconazole with AR was competitive when the data were analyzed by the Scatchard method. It should be noted, however, that the dose of ketoconazole required for 50% occupancy of the androgen receptor is not likely to be achieved in vivo, at least in plasma."

Good research! Thanks!

 

[TurboFixer]

You said that when you stop the regimen you will keep the hair?

that doesn’t sound right to me— with min sure it will fall out without the special min pathway

but if you have male pattern baldness and you stopped applying estrogens anti fungals/androgens and oils wouldn’t you continue to bald just like you would if you were to stop taking propecia

 

[deathdiss]

You said that when you stop the regimen you will keep the hair?

that doesn’t sound right to me— with min sure it will fall out without the special min pathway

but if you have male pattern baldness and you stopped applying estrogens anti fungals/androgens and oils wouldn’t you continue to bald just like you would if you were to stop taking propecia

Are you asking in the same sense when you come off like minoxidil you lose all the hair you gained from it?

If this is what you mean then no. You will keep the hair you gained.

If this is to stop natural hair loss? If you are prone to hairloss and have a crap diet and you come off this regime...you will just go back to slow hairloss progression as you were before you took anything.



This is solely the reason I went this route.

 

[TurboFixer]

Are you asking in the same sense when you come off like minoxidil you lose all the hair you gained from it?

If this is what you mean then no. You will keep the hair you gained.

But if you're asking me will hair loss progress naturally when you stop? If you're prone yes...over time.

So you microneedle and then apply oils and estrogen?
The estrogen hasn’t shredded your libido? Isn’t it absorbing by quite a bit due to the needling?

 

[deathdiss]

So you microneedle and then apply oils and estrogen?
The estrogen hasn’t shredded your libido? Isn’t it absorbing by quite a bit due to the needling?

For me I microneedle and apply right after. But this last time I didn't feel like applying the topicals so i did it like 8 hours later.

The estrogen hasn't done anything to me. I haven't felt any side effects whatsoever even after applying it immediately. Still raging boners

Also, the cream pump doesn't have significant estrogen to begin with. I only do like 1 pump


I also microneedle my face as well and apply a small amount of bi-estro cream on the face for collagen.



Some of the people will think I'm crazy for this but my skin is extremely smooth because of my regiment.


But if the idea of estrogen going systemic is your concern you just need to wait 24 hours before applying topicals after needling

 

[deathdiss]

ill release some more photos at the end of December for you guys to show that this regime is very legitimate and fast.

I've cooled it down a bit on dieting since it's really expensive for me but I still avoid dairy and grains as usual.

 

[deathdiss]

Just for some motivation: this is another guy who went on the same regime I did. He was coached by Taeian with a custom diet and the topical regime.

Of course his diet was most likely a lot more nutrient dense than mine but these results were gained literally in a few months.

He himself used ketoconazole 2% cream and bi-estro. The rest of his topical stack wasn't revealed to me.

 

[jamesbooker1975]

Shampoo is most likely worthless unless you stay in the shower for twenty minutes with it on your hair. You need the 2% cream like the OP uses and leave it on the scalp overnight

Dude, wet your hair, put the shampoo, leave the shower, wait 20 minutes, then enter again to the shower , etc . omg.
Let put this very, very clear, Ketoconazole it is an antiandrogen. So you are using a topical antiandrogen that most probable will go systemic in the long run , if you are using a cream and let it all night. .

 

[deathdiss]

Dude, wet your hair, put the shampoo, leave the shower, wait 20 minutes, then enter again to the shower , etc . omg.
Let put this very, very clear, Ketoconazole it is an antiandrogen. So you are using a topical antiandrogen that most probable will go systemic in the long run , if you are using a cream and let it all night. .

Take a look at this and let me know what you think. I couldn't find a study on ketoconazole systemic absorption but since it's topical it should have the same rule with any topical regarding systemic absorption on the head.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF03350151

 

[Selb]

Dude, wet your hair, put the shampoo, leave the shower, wait 20 minutes, then enter again to the shower , etc . omg.
Let put this very, very clear, Ketoconazole it is an antiandrogen. So you are using a topical antiandrogen that most probable will go systemic in the long run , if you are using a cream and let it all night. .

I understand, but I was referring to him only shampooing for 5 minutes. Yes, you can leave the shower and come back. But why not make it easier on yourself and put the cream on? Then wash it off after a few hrs or so.

 

[Selb]

Just for some motivation: this is another guy who went on the same regime I did. He was coached by Taeian with a custom diet and the topical regime.

Of course his diet was most likely a lot more nutrient dense than mine but these results were gained literally in a few months.

He himself used ketoconazole 2% cream and bi-estro. The rest of his topical stack wasn't revealed to me.

Damn that’s crazy good results. Do you know his regimen/dosage with those two?

I’m seeing a pattern of diffuse hair loss benefiting a lot with anti androgenic regimens. Plus estrogen for growth. But that’s feminizing so it’s risky.

Is diffuse hair loss with no hairline recession a result of mostly androgens attacking follicles rather than the typical dht pattern?

 

[deathdiss]

Damn that’s crazy good results. Do you know his regimen/dosage with those two?

I’m seeing a pattern of diffuse hair loss benefiting a lot with anti androgenic regimens. Plus estrogen for growth. But that’s feminizing so it’s risky.

Is diffuse hair loss with no hairline recession a result of mostly androgens attacking follicles rather than the typical dht pattern?

I don't personally know per say but Taeian recommended 1 full pump each time you use the bi estro for each session. To be honest I should have asked that guy before he removed me from Facebook.

So if you have the money to spend you would do 2 pumps of bi estro cream a day for each session and you would apply ketoconazole cream everywhere twice a day.

For me personally I do 1 pump a day because it's kind of pricey for those bottles.

With the keto cream you really don't need that much. A few fingers here and there and it's good enough.

Regarding the hair loss with no hairline recession question I'm really not to sure I'm afraid.


Take a look at this link. Taeian created an article regarding his hair loss protocol procedure. It has all the information you need.

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