3 month hair growth results without using minoxidil or propecia(GREAT RESULTS)

[jamesbooker1975]

Take a look at this and let me know what you think. I couldn't find a study on ketoconazole systemic absorption but since it's topical it should have the same rule with any topical regarding systemic absorption on the head.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF03350151

1) Every drug is a whole different world. Spironolactone don't go systemic cause it is metabolize . I used both, oral ( that gave me Gynecomastia, real one, and had to go for surgery to remove it ) and topical ( that didn't gave me gyno) . If you google , you will find an article wrotte by Dr Lee ( the created of Xandrox ) that explain about spironolactone not going systemic.

2) Problem with all this studies ( there is actually one that show that ketoconazole cream don't go systemic ) are made on a single application. Only one time application, then they check the blood levels. And that is not how topicals works in real life, plus we use tons of other topics , and chronic use of lotions , specially with PG ( almost all have it ) make the skin much more permeable .

3) Even so, If studies are done, you will know if ketoconazole go systemic, cause it will shut down your testosterone production. Not all the androgens will shut it down

 

[jamesbooker1975]

I understand, but I was referring to him only shampooing for 5 minutes. Yes, you can leave the shower and come back. But why not make it easier on yourself and put the cream on? Then wash it off after a few hrs or so.

No, longer the exposure , longer the chances to get systemic. But the best way is to do a blood test and check your testosterone before and after a month or so. If it go systemic, Ketoconazole shutt down the T production.

 

[TDE97]

Hi there,



So I wanted to share my results to you guys. These results were not using minoxidil or propecia or any other kind of weird drug. So I basically keep my hair results when I stop my regime.



I used rosemary oil, peppermint oil, bi-estro(estrial&estriol) cream, emu oil and ketoconazole 2% cream



As for diet it was very very strict. I stayed away from all grains and dairy products and ate a diet rich with healthy fats. I can go into more detail with that if you like.



Regarding supplements I took:



1000mg grape seed extract daily,

k2 pills 4 to 5 pills a day

Zinc picco 22mg around 5-6 of them daily

vitamin D3, 10,000 IU daily



Half way through i started using a derm pen which really accelerated things to another level

https://imgur.com/a/VhX3C0U

if you have questions leave them below and I'll get back to you.

Did your diet help to remove scalp inflammation if you had any to begin with? Could you go into more details?

 

[deathdiss]

Did your diet help to remove scalp inflammation if you had any to begin with? Could you go into more details?

Yes it does but I never really had an itchy scalp to begin with. I don't know if dandruff is related to inflammation but from time to time I would get the worst type of dandruff out there...head an shoulders never helped me as a kid and made it worse lol. When you eat garbage that has grains or glucose or junk food it really helps elevate your inflammation. People really underestimate diet and its impact on hairloss. Now you literally see kids going to McDonalds and their hair is thinning out. If you're prone to hairloss and have a typical junk food western diet it's really going to help you bald. My diet isn't 100% free from inflammation but its drastically reduced.

So what I would eat is simple:

I would eat lots of eggs and bacon and fresh navel oranges

I would eat multiple avacados

I would eat lots of bok choy

I would eat a decent amount of muscle meat

I would eat salmon every day

I would eat beef liver every day

Sometimes I would add blackberries and other fruits as well.

This is practically my diet every day now...it's not perfect but it's helping get the results in.

 

[deathdiss]

The way I lost my hair, and some might disagree with me here was because I was extremely malnourished in 2015. We all understand how male pattern baldness works: it eats your temples and thins you out. When I lost my hair it happened in an instant. I was trying to prepare for a vegan diet by eliminating meat. And I ate very very little: a solid month where I would eat some bread and some tomatoes and a few minor veggies going to bed hungry. I noticed minor thinning for the first time in my life but thought it was in my head. 2 weeks later I burnt through my temples. I freaked out of course as any 21-year-old kid with a full head of hair would. I strongly believed it was because I wasn’t getting enough protein in and my body was just eating through my scalp. As soon as I started eating animal products again it instantly stopped but the damage was already done.


How do I believe this wasn't male pattern baldness? It progressed insanely fast...even male pattern baldness can't just give you a LONG deep receding hairline in just 2 weeks. The funny thing is that it NEVER progressed after that....


I strongly believe I was prone to lose my temples far later and not at 21.


This was my hair at 20 before all this crap started.

 

[TurboFixer]

Just for some motivation: this is another guy who went on the same regime I did. He was coached by Taeian with a custom diet and the topical regime.

Of course his diet was most likely a lot more nutrient dense than mine but these results were gained literally in a few months.

He himself used ketoconazole 2% cream and bi-estro. The rest of his topical stack wasn't revealed to me.

holy sh*t

is that real

it looks like a hair system ngl

if its real i might honestly apply the fkn estrogen

 

[deathdiss]

holy sh*t

is that real

it looks like a hair system ngl

if its real i might honestly apply the fkn estrogen

It's real mate it's just easier to fix diffuse thinning

I don't know if he personally used micro needling or not but I think he did. Taeian told me it only took him a few months so I strongly believe he did.


You won't get these results if you have a poop diet while on the regiment btw.


avoid all dairy and grains. Basically fake food like bread pasta etc. Try have a high fatty diet of fish, meat, eggs and lots of veggies.

 

[Catagen]

It's real mate it's just easier to fix diffuse thinning

I don't know if he personally used micro needling or not but I think he did.


You won't get these results if you have a poop diet while on the regiment btw.


avoid all dairy and grains. Basically fake food like bread pasta etc. Try have a high fatty diet of fish, meat, eggs and lots of veggies.

Where did you get bi-estro cream. What is the specific diet you follow, like specific in what you eat exactly every day.

Now on what worked and what didn't.
You have used way too many variables and we have no idea what worked. Imagine if it was all from grape seed extract and everything else was placebo. None of the things you used for hair loss are proven and you are basically DIYing this sh*t hoping it will work.

 

[deathdiss]

Where did you get bi-estro cream. What is the specific diet you follow, like specific in what you eat exactly every day.

Now on what worked and what didn't.
You have used way too many variables and we have no idea what worked. Imagine if it was all from grape seed extract and everything else was placebo. None of the things you used for hair loss are proven and you are basically DIYing this sh*t hoping it will work.

My Bi-estro cream was bought here https://ca.iherb.com/pr/Life-flo-Bi-Estro-Care-Body-Cream-4-oz-113-4-g/23751

My ketoconazole cream was bought via a prescription via the pharmacy, where I consulted my doctor before hand. You need to tell your doctor you have fungal infection on somewhere on your body. If you say you have fungal infection on scalp they will just give you nizoral shampoo.

The supplementation and the other topicals are boosters but as i mentioned earlier on the biggest factors are microneedling, bi-estro cream and ketoconazole 2% cream. The other important part is dieting. If you eat like poop you won't yield as great results.

My diet:

I would eat lots of eggs and bacon and fresh navel oranges

I would eat multiple avacados

I would eat lots of bok choy

I would eat a decent amount of muscle meat

I would eat salmon every day

I would eat beef liver every day

Sometimes I would add blackberries and other fruits as well.

I personally avoided drinking water and used fresh orange drinks(no water in it) to keep hydrated. You don't have to go this route...tomatoes are great for hydration and cucumbers as well.


I would microneedle in the early morning for the top scalp at 1.75mm once every 7 days

I would not do the back because it's too painful. I really should be doing it though.

Since you see my results you can testify it works.


Please read this as it answers all your questions: https://www.taeian.com/taeians-hair-loss-protocol/

 

[deathdiss]

I would first recommend getting it from the doctors if you can. I don't know how they do it in the US but if you get a prescription for it in Canada you are entitled to refils at the pharmarcy.

If you fail to get it from the doctors then you can just order it here:

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[TurboFixer]

derek doesn't seem to think its worth trying

 

[deathdiss]

derek doesn't seem to think its worth trying

I saw that video a while back. Thank God I don't listen to all his advice. All he said was systemic absorption was low. Systemic absorption is SUPPOSED to be low otherwise you'd be turning into a transgender.

This is what Taeian said about bi -esto:

"The amount used here is enough to cover balding thinning areas. Due to the area we are applying it studies have shown no real systematic absorption. And also to the fact of the dose we are using is quite low as well. None of the users nor myself could produce an estrogenic side on this when applied to the scalp. Some of us who would normally get estrogenic sides off testosterone use as low as 30mg."

Derek also said that ketoconazole cream did nothing for him... and he failed to tell me how long he was using it for. .yet he promotes ketoconazole shampoo in his regime which is far less effective


I've provided photos of my growth that show a difference and I provided 2 other peoples photos who have used the regime I am currently on where one cannot deny the results.

 

[deathdiss]

There was some dude either on this site or another who was getting great hair gains from minoxidil and estriol or estrial pills.

Only downside is that he started to look more feminine. But that's to be expected if you actually do oral instead of topical.

 

[Norwoody]

Dr. Jayaprakash says that it may only take 5-6min for keto shampoo to absorb.

 

[Selb]

I think the plan should be to first start out with dht blockers and minoxidil. If that’s not enough you should start looking towards microneedling, maybe topical with finasteride and minoxidil. And then topical anti androgens. If that’s not enough use estrogen. Basically any combo of the above HAS to yield results or you’re baldness is so aggressive you need oral AAs

 

[TurboFixer]

I think the plan should be to first start out with dht blockers and minoxidil. If that’s not enough you should start looking towards microneedling, maybe topical with finasteride and minoxidil. And then topical anti androgens. If that’s not enough use estrogen. Basically any combo of the above HAS to yield results or you’re baldness is so aggressive you need oral AAs

well if it doesn't absorb systemically like taeian or this guy say then it is the best possible option right?

assuming that it actually works and these recoveries can be attributed to it.

 

[deathdiss]

I would need to ask this: if you can recover substantial amount of hair from this regime why do you want minoxidil in it?


I'm assuming and I can be wrong that if you include minoxidil in this regime and if you decide to stop using minoxidil you lose all that you worked for. If you can regain almost full recovery with this regime without minoxidil do you really want to include it in the regime?

 

[TurboFixer]

well if it doesn't absorb systemically like taeian or this guy say then it is the best possible option right?

assuming that it actually works and these recoveries can be attributed to it.

finasteride needs to be absorbed systemically and has sides in a significant group of people.

topical min needs to be applied forever for maintenance, has a crappy response rate. Side effect profile seems really good unless you have cardiovascular problems. (it does also have some really nasty aging and black circles in some people)

 

[Selb]

I would need to ask this: if you can recover substantial amount of hair from this regime why do you want minoxidil in it?


I'm assuming and I can be wrong that if you include minoxidil in this regime and if you decide to stop using minoxidil you lose all that you worked for. If you can regain almost full recovery with this regime without minoxidil do you really want to include it in the regime?

Well minoxidil works well in tandem with finasteride/other treatments. But yeah I understand the hesitancy in including it. I personally came off rogaine a month ago. Haven’t been hit by a shed yet... but any day now I’m expecting it

 

[TurboFixer]

Well minoxidil works well in tandem with finasteride/other treatments. But yeah I understand the hesitancy in including it. I personally came off rogaine a month ago. Haven’t been hit by a shed yet... but any day now I’m expecting it

what made you decide to stop using it?