"A woman can't be in a relationship with a guy she doesn't find physically attractive

[Marky]

I agree with most of it Fred. And the bigger the city you're in the more superficiality abounds. However if your cousin's gf bumped into something better then she would eventually break it off with him - by way of excuse like I don't like you smoking pot, or we've grown apart.

See this all the time, chick pretends she's happy until she's able to snag something better. Guys would do it too, but girls are way better at faking/acting.

Men can do that, I know I can. Women, not so much.

If they're not crazy over their boyfriend's look and even a little problem arises, they're gone.

Like for the couples jd_uk has seen. It seems to go well, but these relationships are in fact very fragile.

It's all about looks, and always will be. I can observe this in my cousin's (who has model looks) relationship.

He's with a girl easily 2 or 3 points below her. He could start smoking pot, get fired from his job and become broke, and she would stick with him no matter what.

Oh wait! That's exactly what he did! But if an average bald guy did the half of the quarter of the mistakes he did, he would be out in a heartbeat.

So no, what's written on this forum isn't a load of BS. Even you the fullheads here all know it's true.

You would all sh*t your pants if you had to be out on the dating scene as a bald man. So you'd better hold on to that NW2.

And again, if you think it's so easy, do the experiment: shave your head in a NW5 pattern, and go out to meet women.

 

[Abu Hairy Al-Forhedi]

Or at least man has to have some similarities with her father.

 

[Marky]

Yes very good point, I've even heard girls say something along those lines when talking about someone they are eyeing.

Although, off course I don't think baldness would be a trait she would naturally look for if her dad had it.

Or at least man has to have some similarities with her father.

 

[jd_uk]

You passed "countless" restaurants? You stuck your face against the glass of not hundreds, not thousands, not even millions of restaurants, but "countless" restaurants and counted the bald men did you? On a walk last night?

Moron.

Wow...you're calling me up on a word i have used and i'm the moron? I walked through some of the busiest streets of a capital city, i saw walked past MANY restaurants and saw MANY bald guys out eating dinner with their girlfriends, some of them very attractive. That better for you...you pedantic tw*t?

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Men can do that, I know I can. Women, not so much.

If they're not crazy over their boyfriend's look and even a little problem arises, they're gone.

Like for the couples jd_uk has seen. It seems to go well, but these relationships are in fact very fragile.

It's all about looks, and always will be. I can observe this in my cousin's (who has model looks) relationship.

He's with a girl easily 2 or 3 points below her. He could start smoking pot, get fired from his job and become broke, and she would stick with him no matter what.

Oh wait! That's exactly what he did! But if an average bald guy did the half of the quarter of the mistakes he did, he would be out in a heartbeat.

So no, what's written on this forum isn't a load of BS. Even you the fullheads here all know it's true.

You would all sh*t your pants if you had to be out on the dating scene as a bald man. So you'd better hold on to that NW2.

And again, if you think it's so easy, do the experiment: shave your head in a NW5 pattern, and go out to meet women.

If you keep writing it then maybe you'll scare some other impressionable young balding guys to feel as anxious and crap about themselves as you do.

Rather, i wish you could stand up on a stage in front of all thosehappy bald guys and their equally happy girlfriends and have them mock you for your ridiculous views.

Re the last bit...that's exactly what some guy did...and recorded 19 minutes of it on youtube. But of course, it's all fake. And if someone else did it and was successful then that would be fake too.... or he would be just one of the 'good looking' bald guys...or he would be rich...or...some other excuse that you use to justify your own wimpy views.

But of course, hair loss is worse than dying of cancer aint it Fredrick?

 

[hellouser]

You want to know the life of a (young) bald guy?

Easy;

Shave your head down to a NW6 pattern. Of course, nobody is going to do that because everyone KNOWS women see baldness with disgust.

 

[hellouser]

It would be so easy though, and then their hair would grow back in a matter of days! In fours days, you already have a pronounced stubble.

But somehow, they're still scared sh*tless of doing it. They couldn't even be bald for a day or two, and yet they think they could live with it until they die?

Please.

Pussies, the whole lot of them. Hypocrites as well.

 

[shookwun]

I always get a kick out of JD_Uk's posts about balding men prospering within the dating industry. This forum has their ideologies lopsided!


All you need to do is post your NW5 head on a dating profile and the results will speak for them self.


Fred you might be an exception to this, but largely speaking most men will be shocked and depressed by their end results.

NW2-3 wont affect your results, at this stage it's more of a self-esteem issue. It's not until you go to that NW4+ zone do you get heavily discriminated against.

 

[jd_uk]

You know what jd_uk? If the 19 year old me could read what I'm writing today, he too would say that I'm full of sh*t.

But I've lived through baldness, and you haven't. I know what I'm talking about and you don't. You want to know the life of a (young) bald guy?

Read up on my story, it's all over this forum. And just remember that I'm 6'3 with a perfect head shape and facial features that go well with the bald look.

I don't think you have all these advantages. But even then, it was a nightmare, why? Forget about the ladies, think about your identity, and hating what you see in the mirror.

Stop for a second and imagine yourself sporting a slick NW6 instead of your current full head of hair. Are you ready to be "the bald guy"? Because that's all you'll be once you get there.

"jd_uk? Oh the bald guy!"

Yes, what a brave victim you were.

Like i said, from the age of 14 until ny early 20's i was completely disabled by a heart condition which needed 3 operations to fix. I physically wasn't even able to go out and socialise let alone meet women. You didn't like me saying that though..you had it worse. Just like you said that your experience is worse than people who have died of cancer....which frankly shows how messed up you are.

Absolutely nothing you say on this forum changes the fact that there are many happy bald guys out there doing just fine in life and with women and those guys would laugh at you are the nonsense you spout on here. Yes, hair loss can have a devastating effect on self esteem, yes it is undoubtedly harder when young. The thing is, it does not have to be devastating. Just because it was for you doesn't mean it was, is or will be for everyone else. It is how we all as individuals react. Hair loss is not ideal but it is not the worst thing in the world by a long way. Any mentally healthy person knows that, but mental health isn't particularly strong on this forum.

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I always get a kick out of JD_Uk's posts about balding men prospering within the dating industry. This forum has their ideologies lopsided!

Like i said previously, you contradict yourself in half of your posts. Then some of your posts contradict other ones you have made. It was only the other day that you wrote a positive post about the guy who did pick up on youtube with a deliberately shaved/grown out horseshoe. But i get it, hair loss creates that depression where some days are worse than others...

I was thinking actually the other day, bodybuilders have some of the lowest self esteems going really. It is such a false confidence. I get that impression from you...you want to be the guy who can just stand at the bar and have girls throw themselves at you for your nice haie, body and looks. And obviously, who wouldn't that feels great doesn't it. But who has more confidence/self esteem and better long term stabilty? That pretty guy who knows nothing else other than to rely on some girls liking his appearance, or the guy who is just average looking, doesn't get so much attention at first but who has the confidence to approach girls no matter what (like the guy in the vid), to just say "i dont care, im better than these others guys around me regardless...i'll take her home and f*ck her better"... or something like that. I know which one i have more respect for. The reason i really like the guy from that vid is that he clearly is a confident guy and i know people like him who do well with girls. He actually says in his video 'i dont give a f*ck about balding, its a sign of maturity, kids dont go bald'. Good on him, basically an alpha attitude regardless of whatever any other idiot in society thinks.

 

[blackg]

Went out late yesterday for a walk and passed countless restaurants with bald guys eating dinner/drinking with their girlfriends, some of them very attractive. Thought to myself...what a load of sh*t those guys post on the impact forum.

Those women you saw were all payed to be there

 

[buckthorn]

Man this entire thread is so black and white.

- Balding is hands down one of the hardest things a man can go through. In terms of society, dating and familial relationships, but as fred said, even harder in terms of physically recognizing yourself.

- Balding at a young age sounds like pure, endless purgatory and horrible f*cking mental rape. How do I know this? because I am going through it at 33, and it's devastating my life. and yes, I am indeed one strong *** dude.

- Women don't hate or love bald men - if you're good looking, you're good looking, end of story. You can be bald and still have women drooling over you. You can have a full head of hair and women might physically despise you. Baldness makes this 1000x harder. The "bald look" maybe suits like 5% of the men that are actually going bald, and that's why it sucks.

- Women in this restaurant are either a) good women, who are legitimately attracted to their men, based on both physical appearance and moral value or b) not good women who are attracted to their men based on their bank account or social status.

 

[Norwood One]

I wonder how many incels are on HairLossTalk.com...

to be incel and to go through hair loss is a double whammy. Yikes

 

[F2005]

JD, you talk about how we all have BDD yet you're the one who signed up to hair loss forum when you had a bouffant of hair, even with a thick frontal portion. That smacks of BDD more than anything on here. I saw from the photos you posted. Hell, when I had similar hair, signing up on hair loss forum was not even a fleeting thought in my mind.

The fact is that many of us on here do indeed have real and significant hair loss and we see how it erodes our appearance, dramatically changes our identity, and the different appearance that we hate that is staring back at us in the mirror. In a world where outer looks are valued more than ever, this can be devastating. We speak in the first person, not the third person, and that makes all the difference in the world. You have to live through it to know it, especially when it comes to baldness. Being an NW2A will not change your appearance much at all; an NW6, that's a completely different story. I would never think about lecturing Fred on how he should react to teenage baldness nor would I dare to lecture Evillocks or Joan (one of the nicest people on here!) about female hair loss, because I've never lived through it and therefore cannot accurately assess how it affects a person.

I've heard the same arguments you pose: "there are millions of happy bald men out there", and they all come from people with full heads of hair. Friends of mine say it and they all have full heads of hair too. You don't really know if they are happy because you haven't talked to them individually about hair loss so that is a judgment you cannot make. Just because they're out and about living life doesn't mean one can assume that they're automatically happy. I have an IT job and I keep active by lifting weights, running, and I love going to rock shows. People would see me and assume that I am functioning fine despite my hair loss. Little do they know.

The bottom line is that this section is called the Impact of Hair Loss for a reason, because hair loss does have a profound impact. And oftentimes we do come here to vent because hair loss really does get marginalized in society and we cannot or choose not to vent in our everyday lives. And lots of us do not need to hear the same old advice about "there are millions of bald men leading happy lives with women" because we hear that all the time in everyday life. And we always hear it from people with full heads of hair.

 

[jd_uk]

JD, you talk about how we all have BDD yet you're the one who signed up to hair loss forum when you had a bouffant of hair, even with a thick frontal portion. That smacks of BDD more than anything on here. I saw from the photos you posted. Hell, when I had similar hair, signing up on hair loss forum was not even a fleeting thought in my mind.

The fact is that many of us on here do indeed have real and significant hair loss and we see how it erodes our appearance, dramatically changes our identity, and the different appearance that we hate that is staring back at us in the mirror. In a world where outer looks are valued more than ever, this can be devastating. We speak in the first person, not the third person, and that makes all the difference in the world. You have to live through it to know it, especially when it comes to baldness. Being an NW2A will not change your appearance much at all; an NW6, that's a completely different story. I would never think about lecturing Fred on how he should react to teenage baldness nor would I dare to lecture Evillocks or Joan (one of the nicest people on here!) about female hair loss, because I've never lived through it and therefore cannot accurately assess how it affects a person.

I've heard the same arguments you pose: "there are millions of happy bald men out there", and they all come from people with full heads of hair. Friends of mine say it and they all have full heads of hair too. You don't really know if they are happy because you haven't talked to them individually about hair loss so that is a judgment you cannot make. Just because they're out and about living life doesn't mean one can assume that they're automatically happy. I have an IT job and I keep active by lifting weights, running, and I love going to rock shows. People would see me and assume that I am functioning fine despite my hair loss. Little do they know.

The bottom line is that this section is called the Impact of Hair Loss for a reason, because hair loss does have a profound impact. And oftentimes we do come here to vent because hair loss really does get marginalized in society and we cannot or choose not to vent in our everyday lives. And lots of us do not need to hear the same old advice about "there are millions of bald men leading happy lives with women" because we hear that all the time in everyday life. And we always hear it from people with full heads of hair.

1) I've said this before but I'll repeat..any pics i have posted were many years ago, my hair situation has changed since then...obviously. i actually shave my head now, i'm not a candidate for a hair transplant and i choose not to take finasteride. And yes, i do have had aspects of BDD at times, although clearly not nearly as bad as others here.

2) there are a handful of regular posters on this impact of hair loss forum. Out of the many millions of bald men in the world who are just getting on with their lives not obsessed enough to post about how hard they have had it and compare themselves to this supposed other race 'the fullhead'.

3) it speaks volumes that you all would rather challenge me for actually bringing a bit of perspective back than to challenge people who claim young hair loss is worse than dying of cancer and the like. It really is that extreme on here that you all can't see how f*cked up this is.

4) It is just so, so easy for any rational person to see how faulty most of the logic on this forum is. Just a f*cking walk outside disproves most of the rubbish about how terrible bald guys have it with women. As if baldness is the only thing that affects a persons looks, as if all these women with bald men are only with the guys because of <insert any excuse given on here>. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that if most of you here had perfect hair, you'd still be b*tching about how women are only after guys with money, or guys with huge muscles, or.....<insert other excuse>. All the while some bald guy is picking up the girl that you could have had because he actually looks decent, has the balls to back himself and makes sure he f*cks the girl well.

The bottom line is that by posting these types of things on this forum, it shows that you care and worry about hair loss far more than the average bald/balding guy who never would have bothered to sign up here and post such nonsense.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

jd_uk,

Stop the nonsense and strawmen.

There's nobody -- NOBODY -- arguing that hair is the only thing that matters. It's merely an important factor. There are several such as height, body composition, not being autistic, being white, etc.

If somebody says that guys who are 5'6 have a harder time with women, it is completely useless to find a couple counterexamples of 5'6 guys doing well with women and then say that height does not matter. What matters is the general trend, the general rule.

 

[swingline747]

Hypergramy

yeah Im calling bull**** on this one

 

[Rockinlove]

As a student of anthropology and human psychology, I simply cannot concede with your pov; the reason being evolution. Understand that women are not like men. Their brain is structured in a different fashion. They perceive things differently; see more colours, have more wide angle vision and cannot perform certain tasks like men do. Despite what the media tells you; men and women are not equal.

Now, looks are an advantage but they are not the be all and end all. While every woman wants a good looking guy; how they perceive good looking varies to a great degree. So some women like tall bald men or a particular subset feels immensely attracted to men with salt pepper hair and another still likes feminine looking men. It varies greatly. The key thing is; being grounded, confidence, social value and being comfortable in your own skin. And you need game to engage her emotions. If you can do that then you are golden; look at Danny Devito. The cornerstone of any relationship is not looks but rather emotional engagement; make her feel happy, sad, angry, jealous among other things.

So, even if you are not from the specific subset that she is attracted to then it can still work.

I can tell you this because I have seen it with my own eyes.

There are no successful relationships where the girl is not absolutely crazy on the guy's looks. This is the cornerstone of any relationship.

Of course there are a lot of stories about women who tried to ignore looks in their relationships, because they wanted to be the good girl that overlooks looks.

They're always a disaster, and I could see the break-up coming from a mile away. I would try to convince the girl that she was deluding herself, but of course, she would say:

"No, you don't understand, my relationship with him goes beyond looks! Not everyone is focused on looks like you, some people have higher aspirations!"

Right. Always trying to appear like holier than thou, as someone who has overcome their human condition. How arrogant. Of course reality remains reality, and I was always proven right.

Arrogance is the reason this subject is controversial, no one wants to appear superficial.

Somehow, wanting a partner you're attracted to makes you a bad person, because good people would rather concentrate on how beautiful you are on the inside *cough cough*!

People, especially women, should stop kidding themselves about this. There's a reason that apps like Tinder are so successful.

I'd like to see a dating app displaying no picture but your profession, your hobbies and your personality traits. See how well that goes.

And every time, every time I bring up these truth, I also get the story on how she knows a short bald butt-ugly guy who's cleaning up with the ladies.

Right. And of course, when you ask her if she's been with that guy, she says no.

I don't believe these stories, but I understand that people would really like these stories to be true to support their beliefs.

And then you learn that the guys is so "successful" because he approaches indiscriminately all the time. That's not surprising.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

As a student of anthropology and human psychology, I simply cannot concede with your pov; the reason being evolution. Understand that women are not like men. Their brain is structured in a different fashion. They perceive things differently; see more colours, have more wide angle vision and cannot perform certain tasks like men do. Despite what the media tells you; men and women are not equal.

Now, looks are an advantage but they are not the be all and end all. While every woman wants a good looking guy; how they perceive good looking varies to a great degree. So some women like tall bald men or a particular subset feels immensely attracted to men with salt pepper hair and another still likes feminine looking men. It varies greatly. The key thing is; being grounded, confidence, social value and being comfortable in your own skin. And you need game to engage her emotions. If you can do that then you are golden; look at Danny Devito. The cornerstone of any relationship is not looks but rather emotional engagement; make her feel happy, sad, angry, jealous among other things.

So, even if you are not from the specific subset that she is attracted to then it can still work.

I can tell you this because I have seen it with my own eyes.

If you were a better student of human psychology you'd understand that women and men are actually very similar. The differences within the groups are far larger than the mean differences between groups, and in general the difference between male and female humans are very small compared to other animals. For example the average difference in height is only ~10%, and the average difference in intelligence is not measurable.

"look at Danny Devito" is a trollish comment. Here he is with his wife:

Here is Joe Manganiello with his wife:

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

^ The vast majority of couples are looksmatched.

And for pairings that make it to the second date, I would bet a lot of money that degree-of-looks-matchness is an excellent predictor of if they'll become a real relationship.

 

[Rockinlove]

There's Danny Devito again;


Isn't that a confirmation bias?

You provide no citations but merely anecdotal evidence. Seduction is far more complex that 'looks' when it comes to women. Keep in mind that their copulation strategies evolved around long term survival. Even if you do not have good genes then there is little that you can do to change that. In the end it comes to behavioral cues.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/head-games/201305/the-allure-aggressive-men

https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201010/the-truth-about-beauty


Either way, you are not going to change your belief system unless cognitive dissonance occurs. The human mind is not driven by the tenets of logic and reason after all.

Like I said, looks do matter but they are not the be all and end all when it come to women. I too thought that looks were immensely important but I have seen a 5'6 balding fat nerdy guy pick up women. So game > looks. That is how I see it.

If you were a better student of human psychology you'd understand that women and men are actually very similar. The differences within the groups are far larger than the mean differences between groups, and in general the difference between male and female humans are very small compared to other animals. For example the average difference in height is only ~10%, and the average difference in intelligence is not measurable.

"look at Danny Devito" is a trollish comment. Here he is with his wife:

Here is Joe Manganiello with his wife:

 

[xetudor]

I'm trying to image Danny Devito trying to seduce Sofia Vergara. All he needs is confidence, that's all.