Abstinence is the major weapon in defeating hair loss!!!!

[californiaoceans911]

California, why don't you try nofap? only a couple of weeks? or you're too weak to do it? Its easier to pop a pill, I guess..

I don't fap...I have sex with my girlfriend.

 

[maher]

I don't fap...I have sex with my girlfriend.

Well..I'm sure she could use a break from a sexoholic..

 

[californiaoceans911]

Well..I'm sure she could use a break from a sexoholic..

We have sex like no more than 5 times a week. Stop taking a joke and using it to insult people. No wonder nobody respects your opinion...you come off as very dumb.

 

[SayifDoit]

That's right, flatulence causes increase in shedding, you can find a pubmed study performed on mice.

Nofap is so last week. The new thing is holding your shiat. Pooping causes hair loss so it's time to put a cork in it.

Probably the only useful information in this thread.

 

[dreamermerlin]

Maher and hairy monkey have both admitted to be virgins. Maher by giving unrealistic numbers of sex partners, and hairy monkey by directly admitting it.

That's why they have this obsession with sex and masturbation. They idealize it and hate it at the same time, because they don't have access to it.

And they think that abstinence will grant them special powers or something. Maher said it made it look "more alpha" to women, whatever that means.

They think that if they abstain long enough, all women will desperately want to have sex with them! The same women that won't give them their time of the day right now. I wonder why...

Not only that, it will also regrow their hair! The hair they've never lost in the first place but nevermind!

Stopping masturbation is the best thing ever to them, the answer to all health ailments known to men.

Hair loss, acne (a guy claimed to have better skin because of it), depression, anxiety, diabetes, high blood pressure (No kidding, they were mentioned in this thread earlier), everything!

First of all it is completely irrelevant how many sex partners some members of the forum had.
Then, common sense would show that someone who has an active and regular sex life doesn't need to masturbate. Yes, i know, you will come with the theory that even married men masturbate regularly bla-bla. And that "you watch p**rn with your girlfriends, etc.
Who do you think masturbates more: person A who has an active sex life or person B who never had sex? I think it's common sense.
Or: when did you masturbate more: before starting your sex life or after?

Then, what you do here, assuming the role of an amateur "fortune teller" is ridiculous and degrading. In lack of true arguments, you start personally attacking the forum members, making claims about their personal life/sex life, etc.

How about i start telling you that those girlfriends you watch p**rn with are not more than bimbos and that is the only kind of woman you can attract, only for a fvck??
I'm just giving an example, don't want to really say that.
This is the kind of arbitrary assumptions you are making here about others.

That's why they have this obsession with sex and masturbation. They idealize it and hate it at the same time, because they don't have access to it.

Excuse me, but putting masturbation in that context is the dumbest thing i ever read on these forums...
So they idealize masturbation because they don't have acces to it?
Hahaha, you are making fool of yourself, my dear...
Don't have acces to sex? Come on, please, everyone has access to it, even if you are the most ugly man and socially unable to get a girlfriend, you can pay for it.

And they don't have any obsession with masturbation since they are promoting quitting it.
you and some others seem to have an obsession, because in other way why would you be so disturbed by this topic and react like this? If you are not obsessed, why are you even coming here contantly and bashing other forum members?


If they want to be rude they could very easy mock you in return, because they have plenty of stuff you said about yourself to use against you(to give a single example, you wrote that you were in psychiatric facility, etc)

 

[californiaoceans911]

OMG this has gotten so out of hand.

If you make a claim on this forum by starting a thread, provide scientific evidence backing up your claim.

Barring any scientific evidence, please profile anecdotal evidence in the form of PICTURES.

Otherwise, don't make threads like this!


This is what pissed many off. If you can't understand that then I don't know how else to help you.

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

I am not supposed to post here again before two months , but this guy has gone too far with his cheap shots.

if you are like all these hipsters boasting about how many partners they had, I am not.

I didn't have any girlfriends , I avoided it many times , sometimes because of shyness , sometimes because of my pride. so what , shame on me ?
that's my business not yours.

If I really cared / been ashamed about/of not having any girlfriend, don't you thing that I would abstain from disclosing such "degrading" (for you perhaps) information ?

I live with it just fine, I assume that you would have found it dramatic to admit that you didn't have sex , like every 21st century hipster....

f**k women (not literally of course , that's what I am trying to avoid here) ,how about that? I was doing this nofap thing for my hair in the first place , but turns out .... it brought me a lot of great feelings and reduced my anxiety by a damn sight.

if your life revolves around women , mine doesn't. (nope I am not homosexual)

what do you care about my life anyway?


insert another coin , and try again fred.

edit : you summed it up pretty well dreamermerlin , such wisdom in one post.

thank you for that.

you are right , I could have taunted him with so many of his flaws , which I am not going to mention , but I am not going to do any of that , because unlike him I have dignity , like you it seems, dreamermerlin.

 

[californiaoceans911]

I am not supposed to post here again before two months , but this guy has gone too far with his cheap shots.

if you are like all these hipsters boasting about how many partners they had, I am not.

I didn't have any girlfriends , I avoided it many times , sometimes because of shyness , sometimes because of my pride. so what , shame on me ?
that's my business not yours.

If I really cared / been ashamed about/of not having any girlfriend, don't you thing that I would abstain from disclosing such "degrading" (for you perhaps) information ?

I live with it just fine, I assume that you would have found it dramatic to admit that you didn't have sex , like every 21st century hipster....

f**k women (not literally of course , that's what I am trying to avoid here) ,how about that? I was doing this nofap thing for my hair in the first place , but turns out .... it brought me a lot of great feelings and reduced my anxiety by a damn sight.

if your life revolves around women , mine doesn't. (nope I am not homosexual)

what do you care about my life anyway?


insert another coin , and try again fred.

If you have a problem with fred, take it to PM. This thread needs to die, it is a useless thread.

 

[maher]

I don't even know how to respond to all this crap from Cali and Fred. Double-blind study is the only thing that would satisfy Cali- and thats an IF. But I can say that my hair loss stoped completely. I lost 1.5cm of my hairline in 2011/2012 and it was looking really bad! Before that, for 10 years, I had min. 30-50 orgasms per month. And believe me, when I say that now, I can see the difference!- physically and mentally.
Fred, I was never bragging with number of my sex-partners, but I can say for sure, I had more women in my 10year sexual rampage than you'll have in lifetime.

Monkey is right- not everything revolves around women. You should look on them as a side action in your life..not like a driving force- like Fred does.

 

[drgs]

Hey, Fred, how are things going with your Polish girlfriend?
Did she take you back after you were released from the mental hospital?

note to californiaoceans911: The message above about Fred is not a joke.

 

[maher]

" After orgasm from sexual intercourse, the increase in blood prolactin (a hormone released after orgasm) levels is 400 per cent higher in both sexes compared with after orgasm from masturbation. The hormone prolactin makes us feel satiated by countering the effect of dopamine, which is released during sexual arousal"http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2006/02/24/orgasms-best-in-sex-vs-masturbation/
"Taken together, these results suggest that PRL (prolactin) and GH (growth hormone IGF) are involved in regulating AR (androgen receptor) synthesis" http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/030372079290011T
So if you were to put the above two together, it means that the release of prolactin from orgasm during intercourse helps rebuild the androgen receptors, which would not be the case during masturbation, as well as keeping your dopamine in check





I've been doing a fair bit of reading lately, and ever since I started the nofap journey over a year ago, it seems like there is an overwhelming misconception that abstaining from PMO increases testosterone levels.
Lets get this out of the way - science has proven that there is a spike after 7 days, but your levels drop back to normal after that. This is pretty well documented, and peer reviewed, so it's safe to assume it's correct.
Why do we experience "superpowers" which are traditionally linked to higher testosterone such as increased confidence, enhanced mood, better sleep, body/facial hair growth etc then?
A quick background on the science: It has been shown in rats, and now also in other mammals, that there is a decrease in androgen receptors (testosterone is an androgen, so basically they're less sensitive to testosterone) after ejaculation.This means that your brain absorbs less testosterone after ejaculation. These receptors revert to their original density after 24-72 hours, depending on whether sexual satiety was reached (the mammal was all sexed-out)
How does this relate to us? Every time you watch p**rn, you masturbate, right? I don't really know of anyone who watches p**rn for the plot or special effects... With every ejaculation, there's a decrease in your androgen receptors, albeit only for a day or two. However, this brings 2 problems:
1) Every time you ejaculate before all the receptors are restored, you extend the time required for full restoration of androgen receptor density. Considering that many of us masturbate at least once a day, this means that we never allow our receptor levels to be restored, and given that it can take up to 72 hours for restoration from just one ejaculation - chances are that there's an exponential decrease with every ejaculation.
2) Your brain isn't stupid. It realises that there is a continuing trend of diminishing androgen receptor density, so even after a couple of days of abstinence, it doesn't bother increasing the density because it expects it to decrease again as soon as it does.
The implications of the above 2 points are that not only does it take long for your androgen receptors to be restored due to the constant and continual decrease thereof, but it also takes long before your brain even starts to restore them.
Theoretically, this should correlate with how often and for how long frequent masturbation has exceeded sexual satiety, meaning that the longer you've had this problem, the longer it will take before you see or feel any difference.
Now, as your androgen receptor density gradually starts increasing, your body doesn't produce more testosterone, but your brain does however become more sensitive to it due to the increase in receptors. This increase in absorption is responsible for the "superpowers" such as increased confidence, motivation, better sleep etc because the increase in testosterone absorption is the starting point for all of these, and although these are associated with higher testosterone levels, the fact of the matter is that your testosterone hasn't increased but rather that your body and brain is more sensitive to it.
TL;DR: You don't produce more testosterone, your brain merely becomes more sensitive to it which results in benefits associated with increased testosterone
Note: The point of the post was only to discuss testosterone and immediate neuro-plasticity effects and as such anything relating to dopamine, serotonin etc was ignored.

"Serum androgen levels did not vary after one ejaculation or copulation to exhaustion. These data reveal that sexual activity reduces AR in specific brain areas and suggest the possibility that such a reduction underlies the sexual inhibition that characterizes sexual satiety" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12689608
Here's a study which links an increase in estrogen receptors after ejaculation:http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018506X06003345
There's a multitude of info on this available at yourbrainonporn and various other sites too, though I prefer purely scientific unbiased sources such as the above links

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Tnx Bagel. Very interesting reading. And I have to say, I agree with you observations on nofap. Right on spot!

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I am not supposed to post here again before two months , but this guy has gone too far with his cheap shots.

if you are like all these hipsters boasting about how many partners they had, I am not.

I didn't have any girlfriends , I avoided it many times , sometimes because of shyness , sometimes because of my pride. so what , shame on me ?
that's my business not yours.
.

Don't worry about it- you have your reasons and it's nobody's business!

David Luiz(27), Brazilian player. He doesn't believe in sex before marriage. He has it all.. hair inculded, but still a virgin. Article also mentions Kaka- he was also a virgin until he got married.

http://gazetaonline.globo.com/_cont...rtuguesa-adere-a-campanha-pro-virgindade.html

 

[Notcoolanymore]

No. I better not.

 

[uncomfortable man]

I think it was Bushbush who suggested that the placebo effect is at play here and I agree. And like Fred and myself have mentioned before when you have little to no hair loss to begin with combined with the subjectiveness of your own passing observations day to day on your own hair, where is the objectivity? It's lost in all that hair quite literally. I don't know why you guys would go through so much trouble to gain something you've never lost. If you have hair then why aren't you out there taking advantage of it instead of burrying your heads in endless studies?.... unless you are some geeky overweight guy like I imagine Addictedtosoftdrinks is.

And you may retaliate with "this is not your section. Why don't you leave us to our studies, we aren't hurting anyone." But I disagree with that last part. I usually find most of the threads in this section an amusing hindrance but this topic is damaging and THAT is why I chimed in. How much creedence you give to nurture instead of nature leads me to believe that this is all about control. Everything from nofap to lazers to the big 3 and beyond are all our collective attempts to control the uncontrollable ie. genetics.

But of course if you are fortunate enough to have the genetics to keep your hair like many of you do (your hair loss is seriously in your head and not on top of it.) then you have the luxury of biding your time with useless remedies like this because you have no sense of urgency that real baldness provides. And hey, all the hurtful slandersome inferences that are made from asinine theories like this can't reach you because YOUR NOT BALD!

....and yes, I've had women tell me that they've heard masterbating causes baldness, followed by chuckles. To which I reply, if beating off causes baldness then ALL GUYS WOULD BE BALD! Genetics causes baldness.... you can try and fight it but if your anything like me (which your not) then it is usually a loosing battle.

 

[dps]

oh man I cant stand all these science junkies. cant get out of bed unless there is science behind it.
I for one am not impressed by 'science' saying fapping is beneficial or has no correlation to hairloss beause I know or a FACT it is planned agenda to destroy the male, by spreading homo agenda by bad food and by p**rn!

the jewish rabbi maimonedes said masturbation causes hair loss period, and not only hairloss but almost every disease a man can have.
and its so ****ing simple the sperm is our essence it is a condensed us! so yeah, wasting it is WASTING YOURSELVES and it would impact every aspect of our well being, including hair... but no, the science junkies cannot understand it on their own, they need a fake scientist to tell them how it is - morons.
I for once believe the ancients were smarter than us, and that with every generation we get dumber, dumb enough to believe stupid scientists that have the agenda to sell us finasteride the chemical castration poison.
the ancients built pyramids and other structures with magnificent geometric precision. calculated the paths of the stars with accuracy only rivaled by modern tech.
I rather believe all the ancient civilization who attributed hairloss to fapping.

I managed to go 7 weeks with no fapping but stll watched p**rn... self torture.
relapsed and decided to go on the big 3.
was fapping as I was on it, but dropped finasteride after 22 days due to sides.
now I am going back on no fap to replace the finasteride poison, but still going to use minoxidil and keto to speed up progress.

 

[ladysmanfelpz]

Haven't been that interested in this thread but dps post above made me have to comment.

I agree with his statement. Ppl get so caught up in what can and cannot be proven. We need concrete evidence to decide every aspect of our lives where instead of it being knowledge gained it is just making us dumber. We don't think for ourselves anymore, but just look to lab rats and the media to tell us how to live. Haven't you guys figured out science yet? It works just like politics. There will be arguments to both sides. Nicotine causes bad skin; nicotine can relieve stress. Hard brief workouts can shred more fat and build more muscle; hard workouts can increase stress hormones and have negative effects on your heart. Ejaculation is healthy; excessive ejaculation alters your healthy hormonal balance. Its all just a game of evidence and up to the individual to INTERPRET the data. Obviously there will be overwhelming science with things like smoking, or hard drugs where there is going to be more evidence against, but doesn't mean they come without positives. Overall, I think it all lies in moderation and lifestyle.

I haven't looked too much into the science of it, but again it there are articles that men need ejaculation and others that say too much can have detrimental effects. If you're someone that is jerking 3x a day or more, maybe cut it back a lil. Maybe balding was served an evolutionary benefit as a trait that gave a signal of enhanced fertility due to our hormones or our androgen receptors. Maybe this causes us to have high libido and high sperm count which causes the urge for us to fap more. Its all speculation though.

Oh and dps one of the first fundamental sciences in early medicine was humorism. Humor referring to body fluids, started by ancient greek and roman physicians of the balance of the 4 ideal body fluids in the body. Its where bloodletting and other techniques originated, and maybe sperm plays a role.

P.S. I still think genetics control 99% of it though ha :turned:

 

[Notcoolanymore]

Let this thread die already. Don't fall for the bait by commenting. This is already old and boring. 35 pages of this crap is more then enough. Lets move on the the next ridiculous BS treatment that will do absolutely zero for your hair.

 

[californiaoceans911]

Let this thread die already. Don't fall for the bait by commenting. This is already old and boring. 35 pages of this crap is more then enough. Lets move on the the next ridiculous BS treatment that will do absolutely zero for your hair.

I agree please let this thread die or moderator please close it.

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oh man I cant stand all these science junkies. cant get out of bed unless there is science behind it.
I for one am not impressed by 'science' saying fapping is beneficial or has no correlation to hairloss beause I know or a FACT it is planned agenda to destroy the male, by spreading homo agenda by bad food and by p**rn!

the jewish rabbi maimonedes said masturbation causes hair loss period, and not only hairloss but almost every disease a man can have.
and its so ****ing simple the sperm is our essence it is a condensed us! so yeah, wasting it is WASTING YOURSELVES and it would impact every aspect of our well being, including hair... but no, the science junkies cannot understand it on their own, they need a fake scientist to tell them how it is - morons.
I for once believe the ancients were smarter than us, and that with every generation we get dumber, dumb enough to believe stupid scientists that have the agenda to sell us finasteride the chemical castration poison.
the ancients built pyramids and other structures with magnificent geometric precision. calculated the paths of the stars with accuracy only rivaled by modern tech.
I rather believe all the ancient civilization who attributed hairloss to fapping.

I managed to go 7 weeks with no fapping but stll watched p**rn... self torture.
relapsed and decided to go on the big 3.
was fapping as I was on it, but dropped finasteride after 22 days due to sides.
now I am going back on no fap to replace the finasteride poison, but still going to use minoxidil and keto to speed up progress.

By far the dumbest post in the history of this forum, and maybe most of the internet. You sir, are dumber than a bag of nails. I tried to be nice to you and support your NoFAP idea even though I believe highly against it, but what you just posted here makes my brain hurt. The world is getting dumber because people like you are breeding and the smart people cannot keep up.


The ancients were able to build pyramids because, guess what, as it turns out if you slightly under-saturate soil with water the friction coefficient decreases greatly. Another shocker, this was recently studied and reported in a scientific journal. Also, ancients did not calculate paths of the stars with accuracy -- way off. Need I remind you the ancients thought the Earth was flat. I would say a Boeing 747 is much more accurate than Columbus' ship. I mean where the hell do you come up with this horse****? Maybe you were smoking meth and thought it was Propecia.

The ancients may have been smarter than you, but not the rest of us.

 

[dreamermerlin]

Let this thread die already. Don't fall for the bait by commenting. This is already old and boring. 35 pages of this crap is more then enough. Lets move on the the next ridiculous BS treatment that will do absolutely zero for your hair.

Really? so why do you post here if you want the thread to die?
Why don't you go and watch some p**rn? Don't waste time, life is short.

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

why muzzle it like that ?

that would be a shame to do so , before me giving you the results in one month and a half.

the jewish rabbi maimonedes said masturbation causes hair loss period

god knows best , if a priest / rabbi / imam said that , that's good enough for me....

in fact , people believe what they want to believe , I wouldn't believe that masturbation reduces the chances of getting prostate cancer , even while there is an evidence...

edit : this thing really taught me how to repress my envies , I am a real holdout thanks to this , and I can't tell myself how proud I am of it , 43 days so far without even p**rn.

even that josh harnett guy couldn't do any better in his "40 days and 40 nights" movie

 

[dps]

cali, you were brainwashed behind hope.
the ancients didn't say the earth was flat.
plenty of evidence to suggest they knew it was round.

but alas, your mind is shut tighter than a virgin pussy.
you are the stereotypical main stream sheep who believes what the news anchor tells him.
you are not a think for yourself type person.

I will ruin you in a debate.