Abstinence is the major weapon in defeating hair loss!!!!

[ktaaz]

that is entirely false. When T increases, DHT increases every time. The enzyme doesn't have some feedback mechanism that tells the body that it has X amount of androgens and cause it to compensate for that. It is just an enzyme when their are more of the substrate molecule to convert available than the enzymes will be converting more of said substrate (T) into DHT. Your basic knowledge of biology is extremely poor and almost everything you say is completely wrong. Nofap increases T, and therefore DHT, and therefore hairloss, if anything. negged again. Stop posting here

Bull****, you don't know that. You idiots keep coming to this thread and try to refute these guys ideas saying they have no proof, while you haven't provided even one source for your claims. Here's a site that claims abstinence does NOT in fact cause a spike, and in fact masturbation after not masturbating for a few days DOES cause a spike, it also provides sources
http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/book/export/html/148
Now **** off from this thread already if you don't believe it, it's like bloody childish atheists coming to a group of christians and yelling at them - let these guys believe what they want to believe, they are not pointing a gun at you telling you to stop jerking it off every day or whatever, and you don't own this website so shut the **** up already telling people to stop talking, just ignore this thread and keep rubbing an experimental home made cream on your face that will hopefully give you a heart attack, talking about no scientific proof pfft!

 

[drgs]

that is entirely false. When T increases, DHT increases every time. The enzyme doesn't have some feedback mechanism that tells the body that it has X amount of androgens and cause it to compensate for that

1. testosterone-estradiol feedback loop
2. DHT controls the gene expression of 5aR
Feed-forward control of prostate growth: dihydrotestosterone induces expression of its own biosynthetic enzyme, steroid 5 alpha-reductase.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1654556

Btw, zzzzz, neither T or DHT are enzymes

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yep
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20534765

How does "injected testosterone" fit into discussion about its natural feedback loop?

 

[Notcoolanymore]

Hilarious how some guys come hear trying to impress a bunch of random guys on the internet with how smart they are. They do that in support of the concept that Abstinence is a major weapon against hair loss. What a joke.

 

[maher]

yep
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20534765

Irrelelevant. Intervening in natural feedback loop. If they would boost T naturally and then observe level of DHT, that would make more sense regarding this discussion

 

[ktaaz]

Hilarious how some guys come hear trying to impress a bunch of random guys on the internet with how smart they are. They do that in support of the concept that Abstinence is a major weapon against hair loss. What a joke.

first of all it's here and not hear you illiterate goon, secondly I doubt either maher nor drgs or hairy money are trying to impress anybody - they are just trying to discuss something they noticed whilst 3 or 4 idiots keep coming to this thread, not only making it more popular but also trying to bully the users while not even providing any sort of legitimate counter argument besides swearing at them.
also, your "signature" is extremely wrong and misleading - balding is not a "war" but rather a simple genetic trait that some of us are trying to undo - jumping straight to dutasteride or even finasteride without first trying simpler and less destructive ways can be awful for uninformed people that might not even have androgenic induced alopecia or they have a mild one - it can be like killing a mosqito with a bazooka

 

[maher]

Hilarious how some guys come hear trying to impress a bunch of random guys on the internet with how smart they are. They do that in support of the concept that Abstinence is a major weapon against hair loss. What a joke.

You're a joke and so is your signature. Ktaaz is right. war?? wtf. moronic metaphore. you ever been to war zone? Its nothing like fighting hairloss.

 

[isishearmyplea]

okay nofap guys, please take a photo today and keep updating us. you guys are saying nofap=no hairloss, cool whats there to discuss now right, just keep posting pics of your hair. have a good day

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

I am done here , only people throwing rotten apples at each other.

it's like comanches apaches and cheyennes fighting each other instead of canalizing their power against the cowboys...

we are all in the same boat here , we all want baldness gone , if you didn't try nofap then don't talk... even less call us liars.

this therapy brought me great feelings of happiness and self-achievement , I can't describe how good I am feeling

I'll be talking with proofs henceforth if the opportunity arises, you have my PMO counter below and I am being honest with that , if I don't reset it , I didn't relapse.

see you in a couple of months

 

[isishearmyplea]

:worthless:

 

[dreamermerlin]

that is entirely false. When T increases, DHT increases every time. The enzyme doesn't have some feedback mechanism that tells the body that it has X amount of androgens and cause it to compensate for that. It is just an enzyme when their are more of the substrate molecule to convert available than the enzymes will be converting more of said substrate (T) into DHT. Your basic knowledge of biology is extremely poor and almost everything you say is completely wrong. Nofap increases T, and therefore DHT, and therefore hairloss, if anything. negged again. Stop posting here

I beg you pardon? Where is the study with "nofap increases T"??
How did you deduce that?

 

[frenchy]

I beg you pardon? Where is the study with "nofap increases T"??
How did you deduce that?

here you go http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788

 

[drgs]

yep
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20534765

Here is a long term study of testosterone administration: DHT halved
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18811920

 

[dreamermerlin]

here you go http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788

Ok, but it's T, not DHT, so irrelevant.

 

[frenchy]

well you asked for a study linking T level and nofap..

 

[californiaoceans911]

Everyone just stop, trying to argue with the nofap people is like trying to argue with a wall. They just don't understand why we don't want that kind of garbage on this forum. Bottom line is it hurts people. It gives people who are new to the forum a glimmer of hope that nofap will help their hair loss. In some cases it will cause people to lose months of time and lots of hair trying to combat hair loss with something that has NEVER EVER been shown to help.

Oh and to all the jackasses saying that fapping is a waste of time, that is just retarded. It feels good, it releases chemicals that make people feel good. It's like saying racing cars is a waste of time, or flying kites, or any other activity that makes people feel good. Sex is also amazing, and anyone who says that is a waste of time is clearly mixed up mentally. You keep talking about feedback mechanisms, try listening to the best feedback mechanism, your brain. One of you keeps talking about dribbling jizz out of their penis while the pee and sleep. Clearly your body wants to release, and you aren't listening to your brain.

I think most people can agree masturbating 4 times a day is probably a waste of time and unnecessary, but at the same time masturbating once every month is also probably not a great idea.

 

[uncomfortable man]

Nofap is so last week. The new thing is holding your shiat. Pooping causes hair loss so it's time to put a cork in it.

 

[resu]

That's right, flatulence causes increase in shedding by 0.189%, you can find a study on PubMed that was performed on mice.

 

[californiaoceans911]

LMAO love it. You guys crack me up.

 

[drgs]

Originally the Nofap threads discussed the connection of finasteride/dutasteride side effects, which are all related to the sexual function, loss of libido and watery sperm, to the most obvious: sex/masturbation

With time the threads filled with mouth-foaming villagers with pitchforks, who demanded their fapping rights not to be taken away from them

As we know from psychology the most furious homophobes are latent homosexuals themselves. This is something similar
Of course, the nofap skeptics are not latent homosexuals.
My theory is these are people who have lived sexually unsatisfied lives, and who subconsciously feel threathened or it triggers some sort of associations by the idea of no sex and no masturbation, although they cannot explain it rationally. Like dogs -- kind of seem to understand everything, but cannot say what they want

 

[californiaoceans911]

Originally the Nofap threads discussed the connection of finasteride/dutasteride side effects, which are all related to the sexual function, loss of libido and watery sperm, to the most obvious: sex/masturbation

With time the threads filled with mouth-foaming villagers with pitchforks, who demanded their fapping rights not to be taken away from them

As we know from psychology the most furious homophobes are latent homosexuals themselves. This is something similar
Of course, the nofap skeptics are not latent homosexuals.
My theory is these are people who have lived sexually unsatisfied lives, and who subconsciously feel threathened or it triggers some sort of associations by the idea of no sex and no masturbation, although they cannot explain it rationally. Like dogs -- kind of seem to understand everything, but cannot say what they want

No dipstick, the reason people are pissed off at this thread is because the title of the thread is "Abstinence is the major weapon against defeating hair loss!!!". This pisses people off for many reasons, one of which is that it is just not true. FINASTERIDE is the major weapon against defeating hair loss, at the moment. Understand that these threads show up on google searches you dillhole. It may be leading people on to believe something that is not proven.

BOTTOM LINE: If you're going to start a thread that says "Abstinence is the major weapon against defeating hair loss!!!" you better back it the **** up or else you're going to get flayed. Then you guys have the audacity to demand proof from people who do oppose you. This is why people are pissed off, and you're too dumb to recognize that.