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You get busted and the fun stops.
And another NW5-6 bald PUA
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You get busted and the fun stops.
The multi billionaire vs multi millionaire comparison is absolutely correct. You argued that men who believe bald men can get women shouldn't mind going bald. This is analogous to saying that multi billionaires who believe multi multi millionaires can live a good life style shouldn't mind losing their billions and becoming multi millionaires. The point is that loss of wealth or beauty is highly undesirable to most. You argued that the consequences of becoming millionaire from billionaire are a lot worse than the consequences of going bald. But that is irrelevant. We are not comparing the gravity of consequences of two different undesirable scenarios. Also, whether bald men can actually get women is also irrelevant. The only relevant premise here is that a person actually believes that bald men can get women. This belief may be wrong but that is irrelevant to the argument.
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The reason was that I saw my friends losing hair and that made me paranoid. I also believed that hair loss will bring down my looks so I foolishly thought it's a good idea to take finasteride as a preventive measure. However, the statement that "I believed that hair loss will bring down my looks" is NOT synonymous to the statement "hair loss will make it impossible for me to get women".
OK, I think we're misunderstanding each other. I thought you were comparing a man with a full head of hair losing his hair and becoming bald, to a multi billionaire losing money and becoming a multi millionaire. The difference in gravity with regards to that is huge. I've witnessed many men who lost their hair and went from looking very attractive to looking much older and uglier. It was like the difference between night and day. But a multi billionaire and a multi millionaire will both be considered insanely wealthy. I remember not too long ago, a guy tried to compare the difference between an NW2 and an NW6 to the difference between a 400 pound person and 1,000 pound person, which was an absolutely ridiculous comparison. One guy will be regarded as having most of his hair while the other guy will be regarded as bald, while both the 4,000 and 1,000 person will be considered morbidly obese.
Also of note: plenty of us here used to have minimal hair loss and we would spout the same invective. That being bald isn't that bad, that we can still get quality women regardless of our lack of hair, that we can just shave our head and move on. But then when our hair loss became more extensive, we no longer experienced what I call the luxury of being naive and we were singing a completely different tune. That is why I am very critical when I see people with very minimal hair loss come on here and explain how they WOULD react if they lost their hair. "Oh, there is more to me than just my hair", blah blah blah. But I guarantee that if they ever became something like an NW6, they surely would not be embodying such a positive attitude. Feeling and experiencing surely is believing when it comes to significant hair loss.
Unfortunately the two quoted statements that you made in your last paragraph really are closely synonymous to one another. It will not make it impossible to get women but it will surely make it much harder and it will also probably drastically decrease the number and the quality of women that are attracted to you.
I surely can't imagine the mental state of NW6. NW2.5 has terrified me enough so I absolutely dread the possibility of even NW3 much less NW6 that some of you guys have unfortunately experienced. But as you said yourself, "feeling and experiencing is surely believing". Since in my experience, I have seen bald guys dating good looking women, I will ALWAYS believe that it is possible. It may be extremely hard but it IS possible. As long as it is possible, bald guys have reason to be hopeful.
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Closely synonymous is not equal to exactly synonymous. You admitted it yourself that though it will not make it impossible, it will surely make it much harder. But for me, there is a huge difference between "much harder" and "impossible". "Impossible" has a level of finality that leaves no hope. "Much harder" means a person has hope and instead of sitting around and waiting for an elusive "cure" to come, he can take actions to make it more likely for him to meet good looking women such as get in shape, go out and meet people etc. I know it is easier said than done but then what other choices are there?
Pjhair...may i ask you, why 'foolishly' regarding finasteride? Thanks
You just keep coming out with this great logic...
It's because I wasn't balding. I saw some of my friends going bald that made me paranoid that I may lose hair as well. So I started taking finasteride as a preventive measure. But as soon as I started taking finasteride I started to shed massively and within 3 months I went from extremely dense NW0 to Nw2. My hair became oily as well. I never had oily hair in 27 years of my life. I later found that finasteride CAN cause hair loss in people whoa aren't balding. Other people have experienced it too. It's called reflex hyperandrogenicity. Look it up if you want to know more. finasteride should ONLY be taken by people are are actually balding. But if you are not balding, it's bad idea to take it.
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Fred, you assume too much about others. It was foolish for me to take finasteride because I was NOT balding. finasteride messed up my hormones and started hair loss in me. I never said people who are actually balding shouldn't take finasteride. finasteride triggered hair loss in me so I am just sharing my experience with people so that they can make informed decision. How about you learn more about others before jumping to conclusions and coming across as presumptuous?
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It's like one women telling another that her short haircut looks great. Reality is, short hair on women looks terrible 97% of the time and 99% of the time men DON'T LIKE IT.
Another guy making baseless assumptions.
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If you think people aren't deceitful, you've got a lot of growing up to do. Live long enough and you'll see that cynicism actually is part of being realistic.
Of course there are people who are deceitful. But I gave a valid reason for why I think that people who are not balding shouldn't take finasteride. I never said that people who are balding should avoid finasteride. Even many transplant surgeon advise not to take finasteride, if it is not needed. It's a perfectly reasonable advice. But instead Fred assumed that I am advising people to not take finasteride because I want them to go bald. That's very cynical of him. He also can't distinguish between the statements that "People who are not balding shouldn't take finasteride" and "No one should take finasteride". How are we suppose to have rational discussion if you guys don't even interpret what others are saying correctly and keep assuming worst intentions in people?
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This is the truth, physical attraction is KEY, no PA no panties are being dropped.
What I meant by "feeling and experiencing is surely believing" is that one needs to experience a certain thing for themselves before they know how it actually feels, not simply witnessing how it affects other people. No one knows how they will react to significant and noticeable hair loss until it happens to them. But at least you freely admit that extensive hair loss would terrify you and you are candid about it. I think your decision to get on finasteride when you had no hair loss at all (which I've never heard of before) actually illustrates how you knew how badly you would be affected by hair loss.
Yes, "impossible" and "much harder" are two different things but neither one of them is an attractive option by far. It is like choosing between "awful" and "bad". And no one wants to be faced with those two choices, especially when they used to feel that their dating options used to very good. And that is why many of us are on here: we do not want to choose between those 2 very unattractive options, especially when we are given such minimal and limited options to change our situation (especially if a person experiences terrible side effects from finasteride like I have).