And in the center ring... the US Presidential Election...

[HughJass]

It's like this - McCain for the military,

"At a town hall meeting in Denver in early July, a Vietnam veteran asked
presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) why he had opposed
increasing healthcare for veterans whenever Congress had taken up the
issue over the past six years. McCain virtually ignored the man's
question, dissembling his opposition to an updated GI Bill for
veterans. After the questioner challenged McCain's response, the
senator reacted as he usually does when queried beyond his comfort
level: He got visibly angry..."

"In 2005, Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii), now chair of the Veterans'
Affairs Committee, introduced legislation that would have increased
veterans' medical care by $2.8 billion in 2006. He also introduced
another bill that would have set aside $10 million for "readjustment
counseling services" - a program to provide a wide range of counseling,
outreach and referral services for those returning from Iraq and
Afghanistan, to ease their readjustment back into society. (This
program was started in 1979 for Vietnam veterans, so one would think
McCain is quite familiar with it.)
But McCain - and other Republicans who are more concerned with using
government funds for tax cuts for multimillionaires or for corporate
subsidies to oil and gas companies - voted this effort down."
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3864/


yeah, he's definetly for the military alright. I guess thats why most folk in the armed forces are donating to obama

 

[Old Baldy]

Nice try, Gallup polling has McCain up by about 20 points for military voters.

But you are right about the money part, so far.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/pol ... avors.html

You will love some of the comments though.

 

[bubka]

It's like this - McCain for the military,

You would think that the men and women would agree with you and donate money to McCain; however, that is not the case.

Obama, Paul net most military workers' donations

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/e ... nors_N.htm

 

[fritz96]

It's like this - McCain for the military,

You would think that the men and women would agree with you and donate money to McCain; however, that is not the case.

Obama, Paul net most military workers' donations

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/e ... nors_N.htm

That article's from last year, when McCain was out of it.

 

[bubka]

How about this one, Aug 14th.

Military donations favor Obama over McCain

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080814/military_donations.html

Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said

You guys and your wannabe military obsession.

 

[badasshairday III]

I don't know. I feel like I'm at a crossroad and just doing know who to vote for anymore. Before I was backing Obama, but now I'm not sure. I can't really say that I would vote for McCain either because it just doesn't seem right to give the Republicans another chance after they screwed up over the past 8 years with GWB.

With this whole US economy being in the state it is in, and the government being completely in red ink, it just doesn't make sense that Obama would raise taxes on the middle class, upper middle class, and wealthy to pay for government programs that benefit only the lower middle class and the poor (while also probably cutting taxes for these groups as well). So it is increasing revenue, but just wasting it, IMHO. I wouldn't mind if taxes were raised across the board and used to pay down the national debt that this country has accrued due to stupid bullshit spending. But Obama is not going to do that.

It seems more likely that McCain would also raise taxes, although probably not as much, while reducing government spending (if he is a true old school republican like he says he is, unlike the neocons). This would give us revenue to pay off some of the god damn debt that we are simply paying billions of dollars in interest on. But can I really trust another republican in the driver seat? Is McCain really an old school conservative, or is he just trying to play the role to get elected? Also I really don't agree with his Iraq policy, considering he has supported this war from the start and won't accept the fact that he was wrong about it. 10 billion bucks a month being flushed down the Iraqi toilet to fund a bullshit war.

Thoughts? Comments?

 

[Starseed]

McCain has a pedigree from his POW days, and Palin, as much as I detest her in your face style, is on record as defying vested interests. Obama has style, but substance? I think the deal-breaker is giving the Republicans a third term. Better the devil you don't know than the one you do maybe.

But isn't it nice to be able to CHOOSE! You lucky Americans. Europeans are now governed by a non-electable Politburo, who repeatedly suppress any democratic referendum results from the PEOPLE. Ireland will be "required" to undergo a humiliating "resit referendum" on the latest Treaty centralising EU power to the few.

How on Earth did this happen?

 

[HughJass]

Thoughts? Comments?

Thoughts from an Australian outsider:

There are three things that have been lacking from the whitehouse in the last 8 years and they are crucial to America's survival in the coming decades- compassion, intelligence and respect.


Obama seems to have these values, McCain does not. As far as international relations go, he seems to carry the condescending views towards America's allies that so defines the neocons-

LEIGH SALES: I wanted to ask your opinion about a difference between polls around the world and in the United States; because if you look at international polling that's been done Obama is very popular, and vastly more popular than John McCain.

But in the US they're really neck and neck. Why do you think there's that difference?

RALPH PETERS (McCain Adviser): Well I think first of all, one of my basic rules is if an American president is popular in Europe, he's a bad American president.

Because Americans, and Australians, we're at our worst when we behave like Europeans, or act like them. Let's face it our ancestors left Europe, and some were forced out, some left to get away from that mess.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/ ... 346178.htm

This is same attitude which has the rest of the world ready to write the US off as a land full of religiously retarded rednecks who wouldn't know responsibility and leadership was if it snapped them in two.


just my 2 cents...

 

[JayBear]

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4476649n

I don't know what is more terrifying about this woman. That she is merely a vacuous, uninformed, inexperienced talking head who has a 33% chance of assuming control of the white house if McCain is elected, or that there are literally millions of people who saw this interview (and only one other by the way) and decided that that is the type of person we want running the country.

McCain's campaign has refused the media access to the vice presidential candidate. That alone speaks volumes. I feel like, if they could, they would keep the media away from McCain also. Neither of them deserve "deference and respect" from the media. It is the media's job to investigate and push them, to tear them apart. This election is a joke and we deserve better. In about six years the social security crisis will make the events of the last few weeks feel like a day at the beach.

 

[HughJass]

looks like they want to keep snookems away from the questions-

McCain camp to propose postponing VP debate


After watching that Couric interview, I probably would too.

 

[OverMachoGrande]

Actually it says they are bumping the Presidential debate to the time slot of the VP debate if there is not a resolution on the Government bail out by Friday. If a resolution is met, the debates are as scheduled. It wouldn't be much of a debate anyway because it would be hard for Biden to speak with his foot in his mouth, which is where it has been lately.

 

[HughJass]

if you don't like big words, then she's your gal.

Maybe she'll drop sum dubya during her next 'view- "I'm not a words gal, I go with the gut!"

This Letterman business is sinking them..

 

[bubka]

Actually it says they are bumping the Presidential debate to the time slot of the VP debate if there is not a resolution on the Government bail out by Friday. If a resolution is met, the debates are as scheduled. It wouldn't be much of a debate anyway because it would be hard for Biden to speak with his foot in his mouth, which is where it has been lately.

That is a great analysis, fox news should hire you as a pundit. :jackit: :gay:

"they" are not bumping anything, the debate is Friday night

 

[Cassin]

^^^ social security + medicare is going to go bust.

Anyways. This sh*t should piss you off, no matter who you vote for.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_ ... ome_arrest

Probably another f****ing white supremecist hillbilly. I can't believe how retarded and racist some Americans still are in 2008. I'm sure its the same fucks who are jesus freaks. I mean, its great and all to be religious, but don't be a f****ing bible thumper and vote based off of that. Retards like that are the reason we had GWB elected twice. Also retards like that are the reason why other nations look at us as a stupid joke country full of hillbillies.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=48442

 

[Aplunk1]

Politics sucks my miniature dong.

Hey, serious question... So how 'bout Palin?

Hillary must be shittin' in her pantsuit.

 

[Harie]

I was quite surprised that Sarah Falin did as well as she did last night in the debates, especially given her vast amount of youtube vids where she stumbles miserably when questioned by reporters. I guess that "teach Falin to debate" camp worked wonders.

Actually, it was nice to see Biden and Falin talking to each other, unline Obama and McCain. Seemed like old Joe wanted a piece. lol

 

[Bryan]

I was quite surprised that Sarah Falin did as well as she did last night in the debates, especially given her vast amount of youtube vids where she stumbles miserably when questioned by reporters. I guess that "teach Falin to debate" camp worked wonders.

Oh god, can there be any doubt at all that she was coached and practised and rehearsed over and over and over and over, until everybody involved was blue in the face? They probably whacked her knuckles with a ruler, every time she said something dumb!

 

[Doug Douglas]

Yeah, and she still managed to sound like a total imbecile with little to no grasp of any of the issues and a tentative hold on tid-bits of talking points.

 

[The Gardener]

Palin is awful. Bryan's debate flow chart is so on the money.

At a few points she literally ignored the question and said, rather abruptly, "I'm going to change the subject" and started spouting a canned remark on a completely different topic. It was funny to see Biden in the background, reacting with a chuckle.

I don't understand why Palin didn't pick Kay Bailey Hutichison if he wanted to take a stab at the Hillary electorate. Palin is just a political gimmick... and McCain's entire effort is starting to come across like a very gimmicky campaign.

 

[badasshairday III]

I was quite surprised that Sarah Falin did as well as she did last night in the debates, especially given her vast amount of youtube vids where she stumbles miserably when questioned by reporters. I guess that "teach Falin to debate" camp worked wonders.

The expectations were so low that she had nowhere to go but up. And it still wasn't that great.