And in the center ring... the US Presidential Election...

[Lopfraze]

lol x 2!

 

[powersam]

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/ ... 275/623140

he Secret Service is following up on media reports today that someone in the crowd at a McCain/Palin event suggested killing Barack Obama, according to Secret Service spokesman Malcolm Wiley. The shout of "kill him" followed a Sarah Palin rant on Obama's relationship with radical Chicagoan Bill Ayers.

 

[badasshairday III]

!

He can't come out and say it.

McCain has been spitting the same old sh*t about how Obama cannot admit that he was wrong and that the surge worked.

Obama just can't say it. It would be politically incorrect to say it.

But I'm not Barrack Obama. So I will say it.











SENATOR MCCAIN, YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT GOING TO IRAQ AND YOU STILL CAN'T ADMIT IT!!!



First of all, we didn't finish the job in afghanistan to f*** up the bastards that attacked us, and we decided to start an unjustified war in Iraq. That was stupid and a foolish move. We needed to stick in Afghanistan instead of draining already 700 billion bucks into the Iraq War. Obviously Obama can't say that because too much blood has been spilled in Iraq and it would be politically incorrect to say such a thing.

Second, by destabilizing Iraq, we allowed Iran's influence and power to grow in the region. Iraq has been the mortal enemy of Iran for hundreds of years, now without Iraq to check them, they are doing a whole lot of a**h** sh*t.

SO I'LL SAY IT AGAIN SENATOR MCCAIN. YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT IRAQ!

 

[powersam]

Re: !

He can't come out and say it.

McCain has been spitting the same old sh*t about how Obama cannot admit that he was wrong and that the surge worked.

the surge? what is that? the cash injection?

or is this something military?

 

[badasshairday III]

Re: !

He can't come out and say it.

McCain has been spitting the same old sh*t about how Obama cannot admit that he was wrong and that the surge worked.

the surge? what is that? the cash injection?

or is this something military?

haha, sorry for not including the international audience. In the United States everyone knows the term "surge" is in regard to the surge in troops number in Iraq to stabilize the country.

 

[JayBear]

I don't understand why Palin didn't pick Kay Bailey Hutichison if he wanted to take a stab at the Hillary electorate. Palin is just a political gimmick... and McCain's entire effort is starting to come across like a very gimmicky campaign.

I assume you mean McCain here...

I think the key difference between McCain and Obama's picks for Vice President is that McCain picked someone who would help him win, while Obama picked someone who would make a good vice president. Senator Hutchinson would have made a good vice president, but is too strong and powerful to have underneath a weak candidate.

Now before people start flaming me for calling McCain a weak candidate, bear in mind that he already ran for president once, and lost badly, in 2000 and his primary campaign was almost flatlined before it made a miraculous recovery. I think McCain wants someone who can be perceived as strong and independent one minute, and totally subservient the next. Every interview and every speech Palin makes is about how awestruck she is to be running with such a 'maverick,' and how happy she is to be adopting McCain's policies on everything.

 

[Bryan]

Re: !

the surge? what is that? the cash injection?

or is this something military?

haha, sorry for not including the international audience. In the United States everyone knows the term "surge" is in regard to the surge in troops number in Iraq to stabilize the country.

Can't you tell when somebody is pulling your leg and/or being sarcastic?

 

[powersam]

Here is something I find quite amusing. Some parts of the media (John Roberts at least) seems up in arms about Obama raising McCain's "ties" to the Keating 5. He wasn't 'tied' to the Keating 5, he was one of the Keating 5. This is not some implied connection, rather a statement of fact.

Then on top of that, as Obama is blasting McCain (rightfully so) for the Keating 5 shenanigans, he has another member, John Glenn, campaigning for him...

With teen pregnancies, moose burgers, domestic terrorists, POW stories, racist remarks, first black candidate, Hillary's thighs... It's a soap opera of grand proportions.

 

[OverMachoGrande]

Actually McCain was exonerated for any wrong doings by Bob Bennett (a Democrat).

 

[Aplunk1]

Here is something I find quite amusing. Some parts of the media (John Roberts at least) seems up in arms about Obama raising McCain's "ties" to the Keating 5. He wasn't 'tied' to the Keating 5, he was one of the Keating 5. This is not some implied connection, rather a statement of fact.

Then on top of that, as Obama is blasting McCain (rightfully so) for the Keating 5 shenanigans, he has another member, John Glenn, campaigning for him...

With teen pregnancies, moose burgers, domestic terrorists, POW stories, racist remarks, first black candidate, Hillary's thighs... It's a soap opera of grand proportions.

You've got a nice grasp of logic. Want to run for US public office?

We are a tabloid nation, following after Britain.

 

[powersam]

Actually McCain was exonerated for any wrong doings by Bob Bennett (a Democrat) and he was the only one of the five that was found not guilty.

Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

Aplunk I am confused as to whether you were agreeing with me or insulting me ...

 

[JayBear]

McCain was not held criminally liable for his actions as one of the Keating 5. It is very clear, however, that he used his office for personal gain, which I admit many do, in a way that profoundly hurt America as a whole, and many thousands of americans. I think it should be mentioned, taken into consideration, and then we should all move on to dealing with the ways in which we are going to resolve the extremely significant issues facing us. Unfortunately, we find ourselves in the circus phase of the campaign. Voters who are at this point undecided are, largely, uneducated and uninterested in the intricacies of the political landscape. They are more likely to be swayed by factors like who seemed more relaxed in the town hall debate setting, who speaks in a way they can understand. Who's attacks make them scared to vote for the other guy and who's rhetoric makes them feel calmest. Tragic, I know.

By the way, I'd like to point out an article by Richard Cohen that I think mirrors how I feel, and points out the tragedy that is the last 45 days of our presidential race:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02634.html

 

[Aplunk1]

Powersam, I meant that with all sincerity. You're right to point out that our "politics" are dramatic.

 

[JayBear]

http://www.politico.com/convention/swingstate.html

If it can be believed...but for those who doubt it, a second opinion maybe?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... in/?map=10

Bear in mind that both of these maps are based on giving leaning states to the party leading in the polls right now. To take these states out, try http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... ain/?map=5

This of course does not take into account things like the Bradley effect or the rapidly approaching "October surprise".

 

[The Gardener]

North Carolina potentially swings to the Democrats.

Wow.

 

[JayBear]

Bear in mind that, for states like North Carolina, with a 1.8% difference, the margin of error covers that distance easily. But I agree with you Gardener, considering that Bush took NC by over 12 points in both elections, pretty staggering.

 

[Doug Douglas]

McCain has to win all four of the major states -- Ohio and three others, can't remember which -- to have a fighting chance, and with the country swinging toward the democrats it's unlikely.

 

[The Gardener]

Unbelievable... a year ago, I thought the odds of this happening were pretty slim.

With the neo-cons discredited, and with all that is going on with the economy and in the world, Obama will enter the Presidency and face some serious troubles. But, all of this chaos and change will give him an opportunity to really redefine America... redefine our mission statement (sorry for the overused phrase I used there, but I can't think of a better description), redefine our economic paradigm, redefine quite a bit.

If he plays his cards poorly, we may slide into chaos as a nation, and never recover. If he plays his cards wisely, he may go down as an iconic figure in American history. Given the context of events, I don't think there is a middle ground. He'll either be a timeless, potentially a "face on future currency notes" hero, or a tragic goat.

 

[Bryan]

Obama will enter the Presidency and face some serious troubles...If he plays his cards poorly, we may slide into chaos as a nation, and never recover. If he plays his cards wisely, he may go down as an iconic figure in American history. Given the context of events, I don't think there is a middle ground. He'll either be a timeless, potentially a "face on future currency notes" hero, or a tragic goat.

I doubt that whoever becomes President will really make much of a substantive change in the country. I think we're doomed to some very hard times, REGARDLESS of whether it's Obama or McCain.

What really distresses me is the strong possibility that Obama will win, and then he'll be the whipping-boy for those very hard times to come, in much the same way that Carter was the whipping-boy for the bad economy in the late 70's, and the Iranian hostage crisis.

 

[badasshairday III]

Obama will win this election easily. But my magic 8-ball says that he will be a one term president. The nation is in sh*t, and will be for a good amount of time.