Baldness Makes Reddit Front Page - Ends In Failure

[hairblues]

Even though my opinion is quite different from Hellouser, especially regarding woman, I can see where he comes from. I guess he has had a wealth of bad experiences with woman, while most girls are (still) a bit too friendly to me. (Im still on the ok side of diffuse.)

Problem is that being bald is not that big of a deal for all men. Next fast&furious trailer is the best example.

Therefore the though process is that the problem is not the balding itself, but that you are a pathetic beta. Because look at Jason Statham.

It's kind of your fault as gymceilling will undoubtedly turn you into the rock. Problem solved.

Well he needs to take the emotion of it out of it.

Its just not factually true that they would have a cure by now if women were Norwood 6

He has no way to prove this and to say that researchers dont know they have a market in women to sell them a cure is kind of unrealistic.

All the other sh*t men vs women fairness sh*t is just side bar stuff.

i dont really care who has it hardest

its not a f*****g competition to me.

hair loss sucks if you are an 18 year old or a 60 year old

if you are a man or a woman

if you are in a city or a small town

if its severe or its late stage

if f*****g sucks

all this other nuance nit picking whose got it worse vs whose got it more socially acceptable

its like eating your own.

 

[hairblues]

Because we're not allowed. Any evidence of us wearing one is met with open public humiliation, criticism and the usual; man up and deal with being a bald shitheel.

There's no respect for balding men.

True you are not allowed

Yu think its easy for a woman to wear a wig?

I watched my mother in tears when she finally had to do it she was so humiliated and she was 75

I watched her also use those f*****g sprays and powders for years

she was NOT fooling anyone.


Its not so socially acceptable especially young girls in their 20s and 30s.

Several men on this forum have openly admitted they would not want a woman in a wig.

Not in a bad way they were just being honest.

You think other women dont judge women in wigs or say "glad thats not me"

I will admit it i see women in wigs my whole life and i say 'glad thats not me' to myself.

hair loss is scarey concept to ALL people and people NOT suffering from something dont like to be reminded what can happen to them

so its not this open thing for women

Is it more acceptable for women over men?

YES.

Is it ideal and not interfering with womens life or lifestyle or attractiveness or job interviews? Hell No.

 

[rafiles]

i dont really care who has it hardest

It's harder for women, ask the baldy guys here, maybe nobody of them would sleep with a bald girl. (Wig is not an alternative)

 

[hairblues]

It's harder for women, ask the baldy guys here, maybe nobody of them would sleep with a bald girl. (Wig is not an alternative)

I agree several people have admitted it bothers them but several women have admitted it bothers them on men too

both genders are just fucked

thats why i don't get this male vs female sh*t with hair loss

 

[pjhair]

They'll spend it, sure, but since the numbers are lower and the degree to which women lose their hair is lower.. I've never seen a woman with a NW6 full on bald scalp. Again, if the situations were reversed, the push for a cure would be unbelievably greater. Women are constantly scrutinized for their looks, you know first hand how important it is, but severe baldness is rare with women... however with men, it's rampant, but nobody is allowed to give a sh*t about that.

You will NOT see an NW6 woman walking around because MOST of them are wearing wigs--unhappily so.

The question "whether baldness is generally perceived only to be men's problem" is different from the question "whether baldness is only men's problem". Wigs are as good has real hair if we are talking about creating general perception.

 

[hairblues]

The question "whether baldness is generally perceived only to be men's problem" is different from the question "whether baldness is only men's problem". Wigs are as good has real hair if we are talking about creating general perception.

I was initially responding to the idea that IF more women were experiencing hair loss that their would be a cure.

Not that its the science but lack of female demand.

the premise suggest if more female demand the cure would have been found due to more financing of research

that this is somehow a bias against men.

And i think its more that there just is a lack of 'ways' to figure out the hair loss and growth.

The science is not there because the only thing that is going to come close to a cure is something that is only a recent discovery from what i understand which is from cellular research.

The market is strong for women....arguably more or just as strong as for men.

I dont have census statistics.

Granted Much more men have much more severe hair loss starting at a younger age.

No argument

And it is more socially acceptable for women to wear wigs than men--but who the f*** WANTS to wear a hair piece

@shookwun has openly talked about how unappealing this is...i think he may agree for women its not ideal either.

The fact is 40% of women have some hair loss
the fact is 50% by the time they reach 50
and that just increases over 50.

Why would researchers in the hair market NOT be considering women when looking for a cure?

They KNOW women are more likely to go get hair cure EVEN if they have small amount of hair loss.

How many women with perfect good breast size 34 B still go for elective surgery to bump up to a C cup or higher?

Do they need them? No they want them.

Its similar idea.

The market is there the demand is there or there would not be these late night TV infomercials geared to women for hair loss.

All the emotional stuff--who has it worse--its kind of a moot point to the premise of 'if women had more hair loss there would be a cure' thats a 'science' and business statement vs an emotional outlook.

Does that make sense?

 

[pjhair]

I was initially responding to the idea that IF more women were experiencing hair loss that their would be a cure.

I thought you guys were debating whether baldness is generally seen as men's problem? For that issue, bringing wigs is pointless. However, if you are debating the percentage of women experiencing hair loss in comparison to men, that's a different issue entirely.

 

[hairblues]

I thought you guys were debating whether baldness is generally seen as men's problem? For that issue, bringing wigs is pointless. However, if you are debating the percentage of women experiencing hair loss in comparison to men, that's a different issue entirely.

I just disagree with the premise IF women were having hair loss there would be a cure...

As if that is the reason men have no cure.

I think its the science technology only now really coming into play not just for hair loss but probably many complex problems.

I think women would be lining up even more for transplants if they were better candidates

women spend money on themselves--arguabley more so then men...meaning plastic surgery.

Hair loss will be a cosmetic procedure.

I know women who are not really having alopecia but hair thinned slightly that are paranoid--those women will be first in line to get a treatment that helps their hair become more dense.

Women who dont even have hair issues would probably spend thousands on Histogen or Follice just to get more density.

I think hair researchers bio tech companies entrepreneur investors--ALL know women will be a huge market for them.

In addition to the 40% with legitimate alopecia.

 

[pjhair]

I just disagree with the premise IF women were having hair loss there would be a cure...
As if that is the reason men have no cure.

I think the primary reason we don't have a cure yet is because it is incredibly hard to do. All the drugs that help slow down hair loss have been accidental discoveries and not a result of progression in knowledge. However, if baldness was seen as widespread of a problem for women as it is for men AND if people were aware of the devastating psychological impact of this condition that has led people to castrate themselves and commit suicide, there would probably be more research on it in prominent academic departments around the world.

 

[hairblues]

I think the primary reason we don't have a cure yet is because it is incredibly hard to do. All the drugs that help slow down hair loss have been accidental discoveries and not a result of progression in knowledge. However, if baldness was seen as widespread of a problem for women as it is for men AND if people were aware of the devastating psychological impact of this condition that has led people to castrate themselves and commit suicide, there would probably be more research on it in prominent academic departments around the world.

The researchers, entrepreneurs, pharma corporations ALL know 40% of women have hair loss...and that 50% by age 50 and increasing after that.

They know how large the market is.

Its the science

80% of the world has some form of HSV--yet they can not find a cure over what? 40 years?
same with HPV--still no cure only a vaccine for one type of HPV..

Its same with hair loss--they just can't find the cure because the science is only just catching up.

 

[pjhair]

The researchers, entrepreneurs, pharma corporations ALL know 40% of women have hair loss...and that 50% by age 50 and increasing after that.

How many of those researchers work in prominent academic departments and research organizations? I haven't really looked at it but the quality of research being done matters a lot. I agree that science is just not there yet, but progression in science and knowledge in general relies quite heavily on the quality of research being done. I believe that if people come to realize the pervasiveness and gravity of baldness, it will provide greater impetus to top researchers to work on it.

 

[hairblues]

How many of those researchers work in prominent academic departments and research organizations? I haven't really looked at it but the quality of research being done matters a lot. I agree that science is just not there yet, but progression in science and knowledge in general relies quite heavily on the quality of research being done. I believe that if people come to realize the pervasiveness and gravity of baldness, it will provide greater impetus to top researchers to work on it.

I don't know but i don't think that female privilege is the reason why hair loss is not cured yet which was what the posters earlier were suggesting/saying.

They know the money they can make from women even those who just have 20% loss would spend thousands per treatment. They know the markets.

I mean i know women who spend $400 on just face cream.
Face cream every month.

Women get highlights that can cost up to $1000 a shot.

Human hair realistic wigs are like $1000 to 5000 AND they don't last for more than 2 years.

 

[nameless]

I think that the main reason that hair loss hasn't been cured is because it's biologically tricky to cure. We have some very talented people trying to cure the darn thing and it isn't easy. All along there have been some technologically difficult hurdles to cross. They're at war with nature, trying to cure a tricky problem, while at the same time not causing feminization of the male body. This is tricky.

 

[pjhair]

I don't know but i don't think that female privilege is the reason why hair loss is not cured yet which was what the posters earlier were suggesting/saying.

They know the money they can make from women even those who just have 20% loss would spend thousands per treatment. They know the markets.

I mean i know women who spend $400 on just face cream.
Face cream every month.

Women get highlights that can cost up to $1000 a shot.

Human hair realistic wigs are like $1000 to 5000 AND they don't last for more than 2 years.

Saying that female privilege is the only reason hair loss is not cured is incorrect. Like I said earlier, I believe that lack of knowledge is the primary reason. However, if it was seen as a more serious problem that impacts not only adult men but also women, there would probably be more research on it by top research and non-profit organizations. I am not sure if we would still have the cure though. Sometimes, we really are limited by the state of knowledge. Researchers have been fighting HIV for the past three decades and despite enormous efforts, we still don't have a cure. However I believe that the more they research, the sooner the cure will arrive.

 

[hairblues]

Saying that female privilege is the only reason hair loss is not cured is incorrect. Like I said earlier, I believe that lack of knowledge is the primary reason. However, if it was seen as a more serious problem that impacts not only adult men but also women, there would probably be more research on it by top research and non-profit organizations. I am not sure if we would still have the cure though. Sometimes, we really are limited by the state of knowledge. Researchers have been fighting HIV for the past three decades and despite enormous efforts, we still don't have a cure. However I believe that the more they research, the sooner the cure will arrive.

okay but my point is the people doing the research the people funding the research KNOW it is affecting women in large numbers..they also know that those women would pay huge amounts of money to fix the problem.
its just economics
If i know the statistics--the stats are easy to find
I mean hell we can even ask @drcole if he is still on here
the female market for hair loss is HUGE.
Huge enough that the people in those positions at research and development know it.

My point being i dont think its a money problem its a science problem that is only 'now' starting to catch up..when i say now i mean past few years.

Next time i see my hair transplant surgeon i am going to ask him how many of his clientele are women.
when i went? both times i saw a lot of women in his waiting room on par with men filling out forms.

i think its possible the lack of research thus far is the realization of the potential to get a cure..it may be something that the science up until recent years-was not there to really be effective in a cost assessment for the powers that be doing the research.

But i can be stubborn

maybe i am wrong. who knows.

 

[pjhair]

okay but my point is the people doing the research the people funding the research KNOW it is affecting women in large numbers..they also know that those women would pay huge amounts of money to fix the problem..

And that is where the quality of research comes in.

 

[shookwun]

I was initially responding to the idea that IF more women were experiencing hair loss that their would be a cure.

Not that its the science but lack of female demand.

the premise suggest if more female demand the cure would have been found due to more financing of research

that this is somehow a bias against men.

And i think its more that there just is a lack of 'ways' to figure out the hair loss and growth.

The science is not there because the only thing that is going to come close to a cure is something that is only a recent discovery from what i understand which is from cellular research.

The market is strong for women....arguably more or just as strong as for men.

I dont have census statistics.

Granted Much more men have much more severe hair loss starting at a younger age.

No argument

And it is more socially acceptable for women to wear wigs than men--but who the f*** WANTS to wear a hair piece

@shookwun has openly talked about how unappealing this is...i think he may agree for women its not ideal either.

The fact is 40% of women have some hair loss
the fact is 50% by the time they reach 50
and that just increases over 50.

Why would researchers in the hair market NOT be considering women when looking for a cure?

They KNOW women are more likely to go get hair cure EVEN if they have small amount of hair loss.

How many women with perfect good breast size 34 B still go for elective surgery to bump up to a C cup or higher?

Do they need them? No they want them.

Its similar idea.

The market is there the demand is there or there would not be these late night TV infomercials geared to women for hair loss.

All the emotional stuff--who has it worse--its kind of a moot point to the premise of 'if women had more hair loss there would be a cure' thats a 'science' and business statement vs an emotional outlook.

Does that make sense?

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/my-experience-with-a-wig.98327/

Not worth the head ache unless you're bald, and don't have enough donor reservations for an aesthetic hair transplant.

With technology nowadays, and the ability to get a dense hair transplant there is no reason to wear a wig as a man. For those that don't take medication, and are on the advance side it can be a viable solution if you are willing to undergo all the ropes, and bull sh*t involved with hair piece maintenance.

The feeling of always being on edge, and becoming much more private in your daily life are constant motions you will go through. Always worrying about the lifted edge(hairline), because it hardly ever stays flush against the skin. Having the right color, density, and constant hair cuts to match the piece with your native hair are all obstacles you will contentiously face. Hope the supplier gives you the right hair graduation, and bleached knots on your next purchase. Again, more cut-ins, maintenance, and worrying that everything is similar to your last toupee.

It may be easier if your hair is a solid color like black, but for everyone else with different reds, and ash tones to there hair it can be difficult to find a right match. The sun is 100% inevitable from ruining your hair piece, it will compromise the color within days. those UV products don't do anything. A life under a hat while outside can be expected.


I mean it looked good as a final product, but everything involved, and the feeling of that sh*t on your head when you sleep is irritating. I was constantly sleeping on my forearm, and strategically placing my head on the pillow so I didn't cause to much friction with the hair. Many times I would wake up the next day, and have the entire piece lifted at the back or on the sides.

Of course the bald bozos will go on about a piece being a god send, well anything is at that point. try wearing a hair piece when you have a ton of hair left on your head, then tell me how great it is. Always loosing the bond coming out of the shower.

The bond was only good for the first few days, after that it was sh*t. I was always pressing the piece down, and doing touch ups with adhesive.

 

[shookwun]

Imagine that my father has been experiencing this living hell day in day out since 1979 now, 37 years and not a single day without his hair piece.

The worst is that he didn't do much while having it on his head, he got a couple of girlfriends (both hairdressers, you can't make that sh*t up) for 2 years before he met my mom, and cried his eyeballs out when he came out of the closet after two weeks of dating her.

Besides dating, he never left the European continent, went mostly to the French Riviera, where of course the sun, the sea and the parties were forbidden. He also avoided pretty much all social events he could go to, he also hates family reunions, Christmas, anything involves being around a lot of people and possibly being outed in public.

I'm glad he wigged it up so I could be born and allowed to live my bittersweet existence though.

My mother would have just scoffed at him if he came to her with his full NW5, she admitted it.

And I'm glad he's smart (despite the infinite list of disadvantages) enough to keep it on his head, that wig's also the cement of their marriage.

Traveling is a nightmare. A lot of these guys will pre-trip additional wigs, and struggle to figure out how to bring adhesives abroad as they are considered flammable material, and are not allowed on flights. When I used to wear I would frequent NWL forums, and you would see threads about guys panicking over how they are going to travel without there partner noticing. of course they became hat prisoners during the whole endeavor. It's not logical to think extreme heat, moisture, and the rays of the sun would not run havoc on the system.

Another problem is, once you wig it up.. that's how people will identify and recognize you by. It leads up to the point where you have no choice but to keep up the image that everyone know you by. It becomes psychological warfare where you want to let it go, despite wanting to get rid of it.

 

[Baldingat188]

dam hearing about hair peices is really depressing.... I know its not a great solution but I am still considering it eventually in the future when my hair really looks bad.

even with all this trouble I feel it still could be better then going around with a bald alien head. I also plan on being single so having to tell my partner wouldn't be an issue....

at the same time I like to be outside alot and it sounds like the hair peices don't hold up well in the elements.Maybe ill become a hair peice / hat prisoner virgin for life.....

 

[tellersquill]

dam hearing about hair peices is really depressing.... I know its not a great solution but I am still considering it eventually in the future when my hair really looks bad.

even with all this trouble I feel it still could be better then going around with a bald alien head. I also plan on being single so having to tell my partner wouldn't be an issue....

at the same time I like to be outside alot and it sounds like the hair peices don't hold up well in the elements.Maybe ill become a hair peice / hat prisoner virgin for life.....

It all depends on the individual.

Have you ever seen yourself with a full on bald head?

It can look good on maybe 20% of the population.

If I went full on bald I will keep my beard and razor my hair off (this look works for me but its not my first choice)