Baling Makes Men Look Ridiculous/laughable

[sachalamp]

It's also the growth hormones in our food supply. I believe it causingthe male pattern baldness gene in men to lose their hair much earlier than they normally would.have just my 2cents

Maybe, especially dairy. But then again, so many other people eat dairy and don't go bald.

Personally I think baldness looks like trash on most people but with the right grooming and aesthetics it can look good. I'd still hate it and feel sad/grossed out about it on myself, but objectively it would look presentable/good if I have to be honest. This has been my recent acknowledgement after joining a boxing gym for months (casual) as some know over pm.

I've always had a lean solid body with a decent frame but since doing kickboxing again - without changing my diet at all while working out with a high volume approach - I am down from 160 lbs to 150 lbs with no muscle loss and further definition. This is seriously tiring and back in the day I did a particular martial arts for 5 years but it didn't need fitness and wasn't fun either. Not terribly useful too and going through the motions kind of thing. Full of complex crap and belts worth nothing now that I look back.

Now if I needed shave it off I don't think it will look that bad; with a tan, good face, firm body. I see guys like this training and they look alpha and the attractive ones have no issue with anything. Key is too keep the hair tidy and cool, whatever choice is made.

@Johnt1997 may like to read.

But that's not the point. You're doing all those things (lean, groomed etc) to compensate the balding. Which automatically implies something is really off and would it not happen, you'd not need to compensate.

And I consider we should not compensate, we should find out why it's happening in the first place.

As I said in OP and other posts, look at any balding/bald man and tell me straight in my face he looks normal.

ANY man looks infinitely worse with thinning hair or no hair. Yes, some don't look AS bad as the rest but that's about it.

 

[Roberto_72]

Maybe, especially dairy. But then again, so many other people eat dairy and don't go bald.



But that's not the point. You're doing all those things (lean, groomed etc) to compensate the balding. Which automatically implies something is really off and would it not happen, you'd not need to compensate.

And I consider we should not compensate, we should find out why it's happening in the first place.

As I said in OP and other posts, look at any balding/bald man and tell me straight in my face he looks normal.

ANY man looks infinitely worse with thinning hair or no hair. Yes, some don't look AS bad as the rest but that's about it.

Problem of people with hair is that they give hair for granted and have shitty hairstyles.
Many NW0s have no clue about:
- how it can be styled to look better
- what length is good for them.

You need to lose it to understand it.

 

[sachalamp]

Lol I used to think like that to an extent. You could see it as compensation or part of the shaved look. And a tan/grooming/lean always looks great with hair too so hardly compensation.

I agree baldness is a flaw no doubt which is why I treat it to remain Norwood 1.5. I couldn't deal with an open visible flaw. But you need to be less extreme, baldness is ridiculous? Well the same can be said for ugliness. That list can continue with that type of thinking. It's understandable to be fixated on something that bothers you but in reality, I don't think most people on the street care or think otherwise of baldness. It's an issue when dating, going to the barbers, socialising maybe.

But again even then..who looks weak, ugly and pathetic here according to your logic? Face and rolling with the punches is far more key.

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They all do. I've seen very fit bald/balding guys. All I think of is "what a waste". I'm not saying being fit is not important cause it certainly is and it does raise attractiveness anyway... but a fit bald guy... that's like rowing against the current.

And even if they ARE fit, they still look silly and look like something is wrong with them. Think of a majestic beast like a tiger or a bear or something, then picture it balding.

Yes, i think balding is more of a flaw than ugliness. Ugliness is something you're born with, balding is a signal something is off with you. I could date a chick that's not so beautiful, but I couldn't date a chick that's beautiful but with thinning hair.

 

[Saurabhaj]

Cheap People surely laugh on balding/bald men..

It is uncomfortable to Introduce to other people who are meeting you for the first time.

 

[sachalamp]

I know what you mean about a lion with a glorious mane. We'll have to agree to disagree about saying all bald guys look silly- I can't agree with that since I have seen some handsome alpha looking ones. Balding women have it harder than men imo in terms of appeal so you can't compare. Much more men are balding and it's the norm whereas women are expected to have close to no loss and judged more on beauty where hair is vital. Even the women that are balding, the majority in their younger years were full and later a little diffuse. We can lose all our follicles!

Ugliness and premature serious baldness are both just as bad - regardless if one was from birth. Both are genetic and can cause insecurity and misery.

I'll agree with what you're hinting at, that this is the kind of package that's top of the chain.

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It's not just lions, although they are the most obvious ones. Any animal, even a beaver, a rat, a bird. Look at the normal ones and then imagine one of them getting bald spots or a bald head. Would you think... oh yeah.. "genetics"

I strongly feel it doesn't just look weird and that it does look silly. As I said in OP, I just saw myself in a glass window and i just looked ridiculous, like a bald/balding clown. And other than that I'm a tall, lean but muscular guy with an average face. The image wasn't very clear but the shape of the head and hair was visible.

Women lose their hair much later on average than men do. To rephrase my stance, if I were a woman, i'd rather date a not so good looking guy with hair than a rather good looking one with hair. Lack of hair just tells me something is off with him on a fundamental level.

And also, as I said throughout the post, it's impossible for male pattern baldness to be genetic, it just doesn't make sense and the theories around it are superficial at best. Only genetic thing is the PATTERN. Not the baldness itself.

 

[MorningGlory]

It's not just lions, although they are the most obvious ones. Any animal, even a beaver, a rat, a bird. Look at the normal ones and then imagine one of them getting bald spots or a bald head. Would you think... oh yeah.. "genetics"

I’m not sure what relevance this has. Male humans have balded throughout history and we understand this is mostly a result of genetics. An “imagined” comparison with animals tells us nothing.

 

[sachalamp]

I’m not sure what relevance this has. Male humans have balded throughout history and we understand this is mostly a result of genetics. An “imagined” comparison with animals tells us nothing.

Humans have had a lot of diseases throughout history, doesn't mean they are a "normal" condition as hairloss is pushed out to be. You're also repeating "genetics" cause that's what you've heard over and over again.

You are an animal mate, like it or not. You share over 90% of dna with a cat btw. Why do you think so many studies are done on animals/rats... because it will apply to humans almost 100%.

look at this btw

@Wolfpack I am Norwood 4 or something with diffuse thinning. Yes, i clip it down to keep it clean. Doesn't mean it's not silly looking, cause it is.

 

[MorningGlory]

Humans have had a lot of diseases throughout history, doesn't mean they are a "normal" condition as hairloss is pushed out to be.

Who said it was normal? Some diseases are genetic. I have no problem classifying baldness as a disease, but it doesn’t take us any closer to resolving the issue.

You're also repeating "genetics" cause that's what you've heard over and over again.

In order to have productive conversation you have to credit people with intelligence. I’m agreeing with genetics because it seems the most plausible explanation. If you have a competing theory, lay it out for us.

You are an animal mate, like it or not.

I accept it, mate, and wasn’t disputing it. Whether I like it or not is irrelevant.

Why do you think so many studies are done on animals/rats... because it will apply to humans almost 100%.

This looks like an attempt to underpin your anecdote with science. As I said above, simply lay out your competing theory instead of getting sidetracked by secondary arguments, ego and speculation about what might motivate people to express certain views.

 

[sachalamp]

And there are diseases that are not genetic and they triggered in the past and still trigger today. The point is that just because "baldness happened in the past" is not an explanation for the "genetic" part or the "normal" part.

Genetics is a very poor explanation. There doesn't have to be a better explanation to make "genetics" a better or worse explanation. It's quality is stand-alone. It's not relative to others. The same way sticking a carrot up your urethra is a bad idea. Yes, there are worse things to stick up your urethra but those don't make the initial idea better or worse. The initial idea is bad.

 

[MorningGlory]

The same way sticking a carrot up your urethra is a bad idea. Yes, there are worse things to stick up your urethra but those don't make the initial idea better or worse. The initial idea is bad.

That’s a fatuous analogy. We have an incomplete understanding of why balding occurs, but nonetheless we do have an explanation. We know this theory is at least partly correct because we now have treatments of limited efficacy.

Unless you have a competing explanation for what triggers the cascade leading to hair loss, I’m unsure what contribution you’re making other than: “I don’t like this”, “carrots”, “animals”, etc.

 

[Exodus2011]

i thought the treatments were made without baldness in mind and that hair regrowth was an unintended side effect. i know thats true of minoxidil but idk about finasteride

 

[MorningGlory]

i thought the treatments were made without baldness in mind and that hair regrowth was an unintended side effect. i know thats true of minoxidil but idk about finasteride

Correct. But the reasons for those treatments being effective are consistent with our understanding of androgenetic alopecia. It’s analogous to astronomical observations reinforcing the theory of general relativity.

 

[Roberto_72]

Genetics" is the coward's way out,

masturbation. Hair magically stopped shedding. Too bad it's a hard to kick addiction

So, at the same time:
- genetics is coward
- you are convinced masturbation caused your hair loss but you cannot stop

I don't think I would sleep well at night if I were you.

 

[sachalamp]

That’s a fatuous analogy. We have an incomplete understanding of why balding occurs, but nonetheless we do have an explanation. We know this theory is at least partly correct because we now have treatments of limited efficacy.

Unless you have a competing explanation for what triggers the cascade leading to hair loss, I’m unsure what contribution you’re making other than: “I don’t like this”, “carrots”, “animals”, etc.

Fatuous because you say so? I've replied to your point that in order to call "genetics" explanation poor, i have to come up with something better. I've illustrated that I don't. A point is good or bad standalone. It doesn't magically become something else when compared to another. That was faulty reasoning on your side. Jumping into oncoming traffic is a bad idea. On it's own. Jumping into oncoming traffic blindfolded is a worse idea, but it doesn't make the first one better. First one is still bad.

There's also faulty reasoning in thinking "this theory is at least partly correct because we now have treatments of limited efficacy"... uhm...no. First of all, as another poster mentioned, the treatments came by mistake. Second of all, the way the treatments work don't prove anything about "genetics". The treatments just accidentally figured some stuff that somewhat works. That is all.

You've been given examples as to why balding makes no sense naturally, you just ignore them cause.. reasons.

 

[sachalamp]

So, at the same time:
- genetics is coward
- you are convinced masturbation caused your hair loss but you cannot stop

I don't think I would sleep well at night if I were you.

Keep the snickering remarks to yourself mate and worry about your own sleep.

If you want to contribute to the topic, then go ahead, otherwise mind your business.

 

[MorningGlory]

Fatuous because you say so?

Fatuous because they are not relevant.

you just ignore them cause.. reasons.

You sound like a conspiracist who believes I am somehow invested in the genetic theory. This is irrational, my motivation for being here is to treat my hair loss, not to go to war on behalf of scientific theories.

A strong predictor for baldness is having male ancestors who are also bald: this is evidence (not proof) of genetics playing a role. Most of what you’ve written is emotion based and, latterly, most likely motivated by ego.

 

[Mykonas]

Pretty sure 9000% of chicks will go with the "ridiculous looking" guy on the right

 

[uncomfortable man]

Op can't see past his own (socially engrained) prejudice of baldness.

Like trying to convince a white supremacist that black people are equal to whites using scientific evidence. They just will stubbornly refuse to accept the truth, like our shlump here.

 

[Mykonas]

Op can't see past his own (socially engrained) prejudice of baldness.

Like trying to convince a white supremacist that black people are equal to whites using scientific evidence. They just will stubbornly refuse to accept the truth, like our shlump here.

Woaah a veteran 2008 member,

 

[Roberto_72]

Keep the snickering remarks to yourself mate and worry about your own sleep.

If you want to contribute to the topic, then go ahead, otherwise mind your business.

Well the problem is I am dead serious.
If I thought masturbation was the cause of baldness, I would stop jerking off.

And here you are, you are the one who has found the cause of hairloss after thousand of years of research, and yet you do not stop it, because you want to jerk off.

What does it say about your IQ?