Baling Makes Men Look Ridiculous/laughable

[Saurabhaj]

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Pretty sure 9000% of chicks will go with the "ridiculous looking" guy on the right

Nope..girls will reject both of this guys.

 

[yetti]

Nope..girls will reject both of this guys.

usually i agree with your posts. youre a genius of this forum.
but in this case i have to disagree. a lot of girls would be into the guy on the right.

 

[sachalamp]

Fatuous because they are not relevant.



You sound like a conspiracist who believes I am somehow invested in the genetic theory. This is irrational, my motivation for being here is to treat my hair loss, not to go to war on behalf of scientific theories.

A strong predictor for baldness is having male ancestors who are also bald: this is evidence (not proof) of genetics playing a role. Most of what you’ve written is emotion based and, latterly, most likely motivated by ego.

Not relevant cause you say so. Right.

I don't really care what you're invested in, if anything, tbh. You jumped into the discussion, i didn't ask you to join. And no, that's not a strong predictor, it's a very weak predictor, at best.

 

[sachalamp]

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Pretty sure 9000% of chicks will go with the "ridiculous looking" guy on the right

Lol, that sure showed me!

Put a bad, sleazy, fat, badly dressed looking guy next to a decently looking, buffed, nicely dressed, bald guy and see how the latter is marginally better. LOL.

If the guy with hair would hit the gym and dress better, he'd be chosen over the bald guy any single day.

And in this case neither would be chosen, the bald guy has that dumb friendly, nice guy look a lot of bald guys have.

 

[sachalamp]

Well the problem is I am dead serious.
If I thought masturbation was the cause of baldness, I would stop jerking off.

And here you are, you are the one who has found the cause of hairloss after thousand of years of research, and yet you do not stop it, because you want to jerk off.

What does it say about your IQ?

Doesn't surprise me you're dead serious tbh, overconfidence is often related to a certain type of people.

Notice how my point on masturbation was not even in OP, the overarching theme is that baldness does not look normal, natural or healthy.. and that it looks silly. Someone asked what i'm doing against it and i only then mentioned stopping masturbation.

As I was telling this other dude, "genetic" theory is very poor on it's own, I don't need to compare it to anything.

I am on this forum for years and I know how much everybody here (on a hairloss forum) ironically loves their masturbation and screech whenever anyone even mentions it. The thing is, there are a lot of anecdotes of halting hair loss by not masturbating and I've experienced it myself on multiple occasions. Not to mention the rest of amazing benefits so many, including myself, get.

I don't care what you do, all I marginally care is you keep it civil and on topic. You seem to be a mod after all but you act like an uneducated and obnoxious 5 yo insulting me over and over.

 

[MorningGlory]

black people are equal to whites using scientific evidence

This is a problematic analogy, equal in what sense? The (taboo) science shows clear superiority in specific areas between ethnicities. Intellectually whites appear to be superior to blacks and blacks are superior athletically.

So whilst a white supremacist is wrong to suggest whites are some kind of master race (East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQs), a race realist is correct to note biological differences between ethnic groups.

Interestingly, it’s not mere ethnicity where we see differences. An Anglo-Saxon like me is different to, say, a Greek. But we’re both white. Which is why progressives are wrong to say race is a “social construct”. It’s biological reality, hence the accuracy of genealogy tests.

If I thought masturbation was the cause of baldness, I would stop jerking off.

there are a lot of anecdotes of halting hair loss by not masturbating

Why do people refer to masturbation as opposed to ejaculation? Surely having sex would be just as bad as masturbation, otherwise what specifically about masturbation causes one to lose hair?

 

[Roberto_72]

Why do people refer to masturbation as opposed to ejaculation? Surely having sex would be just as bad as masturbation, otherwise what specifically about masturbation causes one to lose hair?

Actually, some people do believe orgasm is a bad thing in general.
They have PMO as their enemy: p**rn, Masturbation, Orgasm.
Take a peek here:
https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.p...sex-with-my-wife-considered-a-relapse.182094/

 

[sachalamp]

Why do people refer to masturbation as opposed to ejaculation? Surely having sex would be just as bad as masturbation, otherwise what specifically about masturbation causes one to lose hair?

Actually it's different.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095799

[...] the magnitude of prolactin increase following intercourse is 400% greater than that following masturbation. The results are interpreted as an indication of intercourse being more physiologically satisfying than masturbation, and discussed in light of prior research reporting greater physiological and psychological benefits associated with coitus than with any other sexual activities.

There's also other differences between sex and masturbation. Like different oxytcin release etc. The body can tell if you're having sex with a woman or with your hand.

 

[sachalamp]

Actually, some people do believe orgasm is a bad thing in general.
They have PMO as their enemy: p*rn, Masturbation, Orgasm.
Take a peek here:
https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.p...sex-with-my-wife-considered-a-relapse.182094/

That's a strawman.

There's crazy people in any group. That belongs to /r/semenretention , which is a weird cult. The normal and natural way is to have sex with women and that alone, no fantasizing, humping bed or other stuff. The only reason your dick exists in the first place is to interact with a woman, not with your hand.

 

[MorningGlory]

Actually it's different.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095799

[...] the magnitude of prolactin increase following intercourse is 400% greater than that following masturbation. The results are interpreted as an indication of intercourse being more physiologically satisfying than masturbation, and discussed in light of prior research reporting greater physiological and psychological benefits associated with coitus than with any other sexual activities.

There's also other differences between sex and masturbation. The body can tell if you're having sex with a woman or with your hand.

I get that, my own anecdotal experience is clear that sex is more enjoyable than masturbation. I’m referring to the specific context of hair loss, why would it be worse than sex? If you ejaculate more with sex, thus requiring greater hormonal replacement thus leading to temporarily higher DHT, surely sex would be worse for your hair.

 

[MorningGlory]

The normal and natural way is to have sex with women and that alone

“Normal and natural” appear to be value judgements more than anything else. There’s evidence to suggest allowing semen to fester in your prostate gland is bad for your health.

 

[sachalamp]

I get that, my own anecdotal experience is clear that sex is more enjoyable than masturbation. I’m referring to the specific context of hair loss, why would it be worse than sex? If you ejaculate more with sex, thus requiring greater hormonal replacement thus leading to temporarily higher DHT, surely sex would be worse for your hair.

You can't ejaculate more with sex than with masturbation. Masturbation/p**rn offers endless variety/novelty that triggers the coolidge effect. As with any new woman in your life, sex will happen more in the first place but over time it will decrease to a couple of times per week at max. With p**rn/fantasizing etc, it's like you get new women every single time (day) so your sex drive will be on overload continuously. More so, masturbation gives you complete control to edge and you can cruise at near-orgasm levels for a long time, which doesn't happen in real life. Basically you can bust 4-5 times per day and spend hours masturbating. And keep that going endlessly. You can't do that with sex.

As you can see from that study, and what I mentioned here, you can bypass your body's normal cycle with masturbation. During sex, the prolactin spike makes you unable/unwilling to go for more. In masturbation your prolactin fires again and again to no end, trying to stop you. High prolactin is associated with hair loss by the way.

And as I said, there's other specific neurotransmitter and hormonal differences in actual sex vs masturbation.

“Normal and natural” appear to be value judgements more than anything else. There’s evidence to suggest allowing semen to fester in your prostate gland is bad for your health.

Incorrect. Saying blue is nicer than green is a value judgement. There's functionality behind sex - basically, evolution wise, that's the penis' only purpose. It would not exist otherwise. I've seen your post above about race and you seem to get a grasp at evolution so surely you'd understand how this is not a "value" judgement. Concerning masturbation in living things - from a statistical point of view, it's anything BUT normal. It's the Black Swan of it.

Also incorrect on the semen, prostate and ejaculation association. Check this out https://i.redd.it/hp7slbgubz611.png

 

[Johnt1997]

Personally I think baldness looks like trash on most people but with the right grooming and aesthetics it can look good. I'd still hate it and feel sad/grossed out about it on myself, but objectively it would look presentable/good if I have to be honest. This has been my recent acknowledgement after joining a boxing gym for months (casual) as some know over pm.

I've always had a lean solid body with a decent frame but since doing kickboxing again - without changing my diet at all while working out with a high volume approach - I am down from 160 lbs to 150 lbs with no muscle loss and further definition. This is seriously tiring and back in the day I did a particular martial arts for 5 years but it didn't need fitness and wasn't fun either. Not terribly useful too and going through the motions kind of thing. Full of complex crap and belts worth nothing now that I look back.

Now if I needed shave it off I don't think it will look that bad; with a tan, good face, firm body. I see guys like this training and they look alpha and the attractive ones have no issue with anything. Key is too keep the hair tidy and cool, whatever choice is made.

@Johnt1997 may like to read.

Just saw this sorry. What do you mean by i should read this?

 

[MorningGlory]

You can't ejaculate more with sex than with masturbation.

If you’re referring to multiple acts of masturbation against a single sex act (as you seem to imply later) then I agree. But I definitely produce more ejaculate with a single sex act as opposed to a single act of masturbation. Without wishing to be vulgar, it’s almost as if the vagina “draws” more out of me, which is presumably one of the reasons why it’s so much more satisfying.

With that in mind, what would you anticipate the negative effect being (if any) of masturbating once a day at most? Could there be a “safe” amount of masturbation one could indulge in?

masturbation gives you complete control to edge and you can cruise at near-orgasm levels for a long time, which doesn't happen in real life.

For the most part true, but this can be achieved through sex with an amenable partner. I’ve been with women who have allowed me to slow down when I’m close to the “edge”, enjoy the sensation of that, and then continue before reaching climax. In your judgement, would this have a negative effect on hair?

Basically you can bust 4-5 times per day and spend hours masturbating. And keep that going endlessly. You can't do that with sex.

True. I quoted this passage because I want to explore this further in my summary below.

In masturbation your prolactin fires again and again to no end, trying to stop you.

Can you elaborate on what you mean here please? I’m not disagreeing, I just want to understand exactly what you mean.

there's other specific neurotransmitter and hormonal differences in actual sex vs masturbation.

This is intuitive. The way the body feels after sex as compared with masturbation is completely different. I often feel drained after masturbation, whereas I feel energised following sex, albeit with some tiredness from the physical exertion involved.

Also incorrect on the semen, prostate and ejaculation association. Check this out

Interesting, but I would need more than just a short cartoon in order to draw any meaningful conclusions.

In summary, I will concede that you have piqued my interest in a possible correlation between masturbation and hair loss. It presumes greater incidence of both hair loss in the general male population and increased frequency of masturbation. The latter element, although difficult to prove empirically, is a reasonable assumption given a greater access to pornography and more sexualised culture generally.

We still need to contend with why some men’s hair loss progresses at faster rates than others. Even if masturbation was a driving factor, this would still suggest some innate/inherited quality to hair loss. You quite reasonably state that pornography produces the same stimulus as being with a new woman. If that’s accurate, would you anticipate a man who sleeps with a new woman monthly to suffer hair problems? Or is there some protective element to sex which stops that happening?

Lastly, you have said that you have read anecdotes about people improving their health through abstinence from masturbation. Are you able to provide examples and how long have you personally managed to abstain from masturbation for? Is total abstinence achievable or even desirable? And is abstinence more difficult once you have already had a routine of masturbation?

 

[LastSamurai]

I go through cycles. When my hair is cut pretty tight, i.e. shaved sides, and pretty much short on top, I feel much fresher. After a few weeks, it begins to look ugly again. There is no argument in my mind; a receding hairline in many cases can indeed look ugly.

It creates a weird shape and throws the face out of proportion. I spend ages staring in the mirror trying to work out what is wrong with my face. It's hard to fathom how our hairlines can have such an effect sometimes. I once pulled a comedy wig on at a store. Its actually quite amazing to see how different our faces can look with a frame again.

That is the torture of the balding man. We have limited options outside of hair transplant's which I'm personally not a fan of. We can hold on to the whiff of hair we have on the top of our heads, whilst it looks crap, or shave.

I was considering micropigmentation. It would be OK depending on your work. If you were doing outside work, or perhaps freelance type work. I work in an office setting. People are close up all the time, I don't think it would fly anymore. No wonder why most people don't get tattoos on their head.

I wonder a bit about this new girl that I have a date with. It goes through my head; how would she feel dating a guy who is losing his hair and will be bald in a few years?

I know deep down that having a shaved head is my way forward. I'm not preaching that for everyone, but for me, it's what I'm going to do.

Why?

- I no longer have to worry about my hair looks or further loss. By shaving, I no longer go through the torture of worrying about my hair everyday, about agonising daily about how it looks.

- I look more alpha. That is a definite; compared to having a crappy nw2 whiff, I am shaved. I think balding hair looks very beta. Where as shaved looks more alpha then even NW1. I'll feel better, and fresher.

- When I meet a girl for a date or whatever, and I'm shaved/trimmed, there is no fear of what if I lose my hair? My hair is already lost! So if the girl goes on a date with me, I already know she's into me irrespective of my trimmed look. Hell, she could even like it. But that would be sacrilege to say on here

Ultimately I'm getting bored of paying the best part of £20/$30 every two weeks to get my hair short only to start looking ugly in a few weeks. Time to start shaving and take it into my own hands.

 

[Roberto_72]

I get that, my own anecdotal experience is clear that sex is more enjoyable than masturbation. I’m referring to the specific context of hair loss, why would it be worse than sex? If you ejaculate more with sex, thus requiring greater hormonal replacement thus leading to temporarily higher DHT, surely sex would be worse for your hair.

By the way, I think it was established it is not DHT per se to starve follicles: it is one’s follicles’ sensitivity to DHT that makes the difference.

I go through cycles. When my hair is cut pretty tight, i.e. shaved sides, and pretty much short on top, I feel much fresher. After a few weeks, it begins to look ugly again. There is no argument in my mind; a receding hairline in many cases can indeed look ugly.

It creates a weird shape and throws the face out of proportion. I spend ages staring in the mirror trying to work out what is wrong with my face. It's hard to fathom how our hairlines can have such an effect sometimes. I once pulled a comedy wig on at a store. Its actually quite amazing to see how different our faces can look with a frame again.

That is the torture of the balding man. We have limited options outside of hair transplant's which I'm personally not a fan of. We can hold on to the whiff of hair we have on the top of our heads, whilst it looks crap, or shave.

I was considering micropigmentation. It would be OK depending on your work. If you were doing outside work, or perhaps freelance type work. I work in an office setting. People are close up all the time, I don't think it would fly anymore. No wonder why most people don't get tattoos on their head.

I wonder a bit about this new girl that I have a date with. It goes through my head; how would she feel dating a guy who is losing his hair and will be bald in a few years?

I know deep down that having a shaved head is my way forward. I'm not preaching that for everyone, but for me, it's what I'm going to do.

Why?

- I no longer have to worry about my hair looks or further loss. By shaving, I no longer go through the torture of worrying about my hair everyday, about agonising daily about how it looks.

- I look more alpha. That is a definite; compared to having a crappy nw2 whiff, I am shaved. I think balding hair looks very beta. Where as shaved looks more alpha then even NW1. I'll feel better, and fresher.

- When I meet a girl for a date or whatever, and I'm shaved/trimmed, there is no fear of what if I lose my hair? My hair is already lost! So if the girl goes on a date with me, I already know she's into me irrespective of my trimmed look. Hell, she could even like it. But that would be sacrilege to say on here

Ultimately I'm getting bored of paying the best part of £20/$30 every two weeks to get my hair short only to start looking ugly in a few weeks. Time to start shaving and take it into my own hands.

I hate to say it because I have always hated the idea of buzzing it: I thought it was a defeat.
But after cutting it short I just received good feedback.
Good hair is better than no hair.
No hair is better than bad hair though.

 

[LastSamurai]

I hate to say it because I have always hated the idea of buzzing it: I thought it was a defeat.
But after cutting it short I just received good feedback.
Good hair is better than no hair.
No hair is better than bad hair though.

Agreed. The irony is that for the balding person, we always perceive our hairloss to be worse then it actually is. Other people probably don't notice quite as much. That said, the important thing is that we base our decisions on what we want. If we feel our hair would look better buzzed, then we should do it.

If you have good facial genetics, good skin and a good build, in theory baldness shouldn't be a problem. Well, yes it will still detract from our looks. But if our starting point is good enough..

I pull my hair back and squint and I'm sure that I will actually look better trimmed, maybe a no2 all over, etc..It's really just having the balls to do it!

 

[MorningGlory]

By the way, I think it was established it is not DHT per se to starve follicles: it is one’s follicles’ sensitivity to DHT that makes the difference.

Sure, but if you have that preexisting sensitivity then increased DHT could potentially increase your rate of hair loss.

 

[MorningGlory]

I actually think that referee looks alright. I don’t think there’s any uniform advice when it comes to this stuff, you just have to find what works for you. I know “confidence game” is a meme on here, but when it comes to your aesthetics you have to just make a decision and not worry too much about what others think. You’re not that important, people have their own worries, to most people you’re a passing interest at most.

 

[Capone]

It's also the growth hormones in our food supply. I believe it causingthe male pattern baldness gene in men to lose their hair much earlier than they normally would.have just my 2cents

Yes, preferably animal fat. Dairy, red meat, etc.. all acid forming, bald contributors! Still though it’s very hard not to eat any of it.. any good recipe books?