Dr. Tsuji Kyocera, Riken Research, Organ Technologies Form Regenerative Hair Research Team
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Baldybald1
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Great news! Can I participate in the trail ?
Great find yep 78! It says they also intend to control pigmentation. Hummm. By the time this comes out ill be getting lightly gray. Wonder of they can engineer me some dark brown locks for my bald head place. Id love to have eternal dark hair
Btw when they say piezoelectric what they basically mean is using the same kind of technology used by inkjet printers, it will let them precisely deposit the cultured cells in a grid where they will form the germ where they can then be extracted mechanically. So technology wise looks like they have most of it covered, it just about putting it together. I just hope the science works out.
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No point in constantly debating the release of this. It's years away either way.
I think it's pretty clear their intent is for a commercial release in 2020. Delays are likely in any situation, so I wouldn't expect a 2020 release - although that'd be great.
Multiple press releases state a release of 2020. If you don't think a multi-billion dollar company like Kyocera is privy of what the intended release date is with their partners you don't have a clear understanding of how the business world works.
Again 2020 is their intent, whether it happens remains to be seen.
Why don't we get back to a more constructive conversation.....
I think it's pretty clear their intent is for a commercial release in 2020. Delays are likely in any situation, so I wouldn't expect a 2020 release - although that'd be great.
Multiple press releases state a release of 2020. If you don't think a multi-billion dollar company like Kyocera is privy of what the intended release date is with their partners you don't have a clear understanding of how the business world works.
Again 2020 is their intent, whether it happens remains to be seen.
Why don't we get back to a more constructive conversation.....
In the mouse studies, Dr. Takashi had to use nylon threads to guide the direction of the growth of the new hairs.
He has not yet elucidated how they will get the direction right without using threads.
Maybe something underneath the skin will take place naturally so that the hair grows the right direction. But then that begs the question why the need for the nylon threads in the studies?
ehh not much else to talk about until we get more information. I definitely believe they are saying it will be commercially available in 2020, but maybe they are intentionally being overly optimistic for whatever reason. What I am saying is one side of this argument is latching onto the press release statements and the other is latching on to Tsuji's still recent comments. Its quite possible that both sides are right and Tsuji is being a little conservative and Kyocera is being overly optimistic.
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I'm sure this will be answered at some point, you've asked this question about 10 times lol. @Swoop said HairLossTalk.com is going to try to set up a Q&A with Tsuji, maybe we can get an answer then.
I thought I remember someone finding paperwork from Tsuji earlier in this thread that stated they'd use a material other than nylon that the human body can degrade.
Regardless if you were a NW7 and this treatment could bring you back to a NW0 would you really care to have some strings hanging out of your head for 2-3 weeks? It would be a small price to pay for a full head of hair. We don't even know what the "strings" would look like.
Yeah I know I've asked this questions many times because I think it's important.
I personally wouldn't mind having threads, but I don't think it would be practically possible to have hundreds of threads hanging off your head.
Furthermore, if they had to guide the direction of every single thread manually, it would be a lot more time consuming and technically challenging than if the germs could just be injected and grow organically in the correct direction.
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No one will be able to answer this except Tsuji. They have to have a method of doing this or a good working theory otherwise they wouldn't be thinking of bringing it to market.
Tsuji developed a biodegradable guide which the makes the hair grow in the right direction- without it cysts would form. In the study they used tape and a nylon thread as a prototype to hold the primordium in place.
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I just did a search and saw you were the one I was referring too.
Do you have a source or link? Not that I don't believe you, I'd just like to educate myself.
Thanks!
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http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v3/n4/full/ncomms1784.html
"To prevent epithelial cyst formation and associations between the epithelium of the host skin and the bioengineered hair follicle germ, we developed an inter-epithelial tissue-connecting plastic device that used a nylon thread as a guide for the infundibulum direction via insertion into the bioengineered germ (Fig. 1b). Three days after transplantation, the epithelial layer of the bioengineered germ had extended along the guide to the host skin epithelium, and the resulting wound was allowed to heal by maintaining the eruption of the guide, whereas the sample without a guide formed an epithelial cyst (Fig. 1e). At 14 days after the transplantation of the bioengineered germ, with or without the nylon thread into the dermal layer, the eruption and growth of black hair shafts were observed at a frequency of 94% or 38% (n=78 or 8), respectively (Fig. 1e,f). The bioengineered vibrissa follicle germ was also erupted using the inter-epithelial tissue-connecting plastic device at 20.5±6.0 (n=46) days, with a resulting frequency of 74% (n=62; Fig. 1c). However, the bioengineered vibrissae produced unpigmented hairs with a frequency of 95.5% (n=46; Fig. 1f)."
2020 is honestly not a long wait. The older you get, the faster time moves. If you are 20 years old right now, 1 year is only 5% of the total time you've lived thus far, so three years is nothing.
That's why a 5 year old waiting to turn 10 feels like an eternity - they have to wait 100% worth of the entire time they've been alive. It's the same when you're 40 waiting to turn 80, it's just that for 40 year olds, 1 year is only 2.5% of your life.
That's why a 5 year old waiting to turn 10 feels like an eternity - they have to wait 100% worth of the entire time they've been alive. It's the same when you're 40 waiting to turn 80, it's just that for 40 year olds, 1 year is only 2.5% of your life.
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